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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 18, 2017 7:06:24 GMT
Got thru the first episode, it was draggy, with lots of story, and little action. But the character is almost spot on.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 18, 2017 8:28:00 GMT
I've not heard good reviews on this series, I'll get around to watching it eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 8:55:52 GMT
I've liked it well enough so far (still got a few left) but it's nowhere near the heights of the first seasons of the other three 'Flix shows. There are, unfortunately, too many parallels with other comic shows and movies for this to stand out. The action isn't great, including the fighting which is baffling for Iron Fist -vthis should have the best choreographed fight scenes of all the shows but it pales next to Matt Murdoch's corridor and stairwell fights. The best thing about the show is Coleen Wing who is almost a co-lead in the show and gets as much action as Danny Rand. I like Finn as an actor but I'm not sure he's the best lead they could have gotten for this. He's never bad but doesn't have anything in his locker to elevate the material in the way that Charlie Cox, Kristen Ritter and Mike Colter have. They were magnetic leads but Finn seems like a character actor being asked to be the leading man and struggling with the change up. There's a surprise bit of casting, which hadn't been announced before broadcast, later in the series - it's an actor I've heard more than a few people suggest for the 13th Doctor, too. Betfair have this person at 9/1 for the Who job FWIW. Spoiler tagged for those that don't want to know. {Spoiler} Sacha Dhawan plays Davos/Steel Serpent. One of the real up and comers of the UK acting scene he was most recently a major part of the Sherlock season 4 opener. Most here will perhaps know him best from his wonderful role as Waris Hussein in An Adventure In Space And Time.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 18, 2017 18:31:51 GMT
I like the portrail of Rand. He always was a huge pacifist in the comics before meeting Luke Cage.
But the script makes him out to be a little nutty, it's not the best of the series, but it beats the hell out of spider man from the 70s.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 18, 2017 19:14:11 GMT
I'm actually enjoying it much more than Luke Cage, which for me was a 7 episode story told over 13, and all actual tension ended with Cottonmouth. Danny's not had the angst nonsense the others had (well, he has but he's not grown up so being a kid is still fine for him) and while the fights could be tighter I was reading it as he hasn't been going looking for trouble like Matt and unlike Matt those fights he has had are easier for him, so don't look as tense and taut.
And he IS a pacifist. Let's see how HE handles the costume!!
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Post by elkawho on Mar 19, 2017 1:40:33 GMT
I just watched the first episode today. Luke Cage is the only one I haven't seen of the four Netflix Marvel shows. I don't know the comic very well, so I can't compare it to that. It's more low key and the style is completely different, which isn't a bad thing. I'm going to keep watching and see how it plays out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 2:02:50 GMT
I'm not sure it's completely different at all, that's part of the issue. It isn't different enough to what's been done in similar shows and doesn't really try to break any ground. There's a LOT of things in this that have direct parallels to season 1 and 2 of Arrow for one, and not just the "billionaire heir returns to civilsation" story - whole scenes are played out in later episodes that have happened with Oliver Queen from his press conference to sleeping on the floor. The big fight in Ep 4, while cool, is very much a rehash of the most popular fight in the first Daredevil season and of course the martial arts and enemy are the same as DD. Sure, a lot of tht is source material similarities but taking elements of The Living Weapon and the Claremont run would have let this show establish more of it's own identity. At least the tepid response from reviewers means we can shut down any "Marvel pay reviewers" nonsense everytime a DC film or show is bashed while a Marvel one praised. It's solid enough but just not as good as the admittedly very high standard of it's 3 predecessors. It's not as visceral and fresh as Daredevil, not as gutwrenching and personal as Jessica Jones and not as political and relevant as Luke Cage. This doesn't elecit ny big emotions like those series did, it' struggles for fresh themes. A big part of the criticism from most quarters has been that if you take the fighting from Daredevil, the plot from Arrow and the structure of Batman Begins, you've really already seen this show. Hard to disagree too much with that, sadly. Admittedly though, I thought Luke Cage was terrific throughout while most people thought the big twist halfway through killed it stone dead so I may not be 100% in step with fan opinion on these shows even if I think the reviews are pretty on point for this one. As usual I've seen people oline blaming reviewers for having agendas - funny how you never read fans saying "I don't bother with reviews, I make my own mind up" when something gets critically praised.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 19, 2017 5:37:37 GMT
I'm not sure it's completely different at all, that's part of the issue. It isn't different enough to what's been done in similar shows and doesn't really try to break any ground. There's a LOT of things in this that have direct parallels to season 1 and 2 of Arrow for one, and not just the "billionaire heir returns to civilsation" story - whole scenes are played out in later episodes that have happened with Oliver Queen from his press conference to sleeping on the floor. The big fight in Ep 4, while cool, is very much a rehash of the most popular fight in the first Daredevil season and of course the martial arts and enemy are the same as DD. Sure, a lot of tht is source material similarities but taking elements of The Living Weapon and the Claremont run would have let this show establish more of it's own identity. At least the tepid response from reviewers means we can shut down any "Marvel pay reviewers" nonsense everytime a DC film or show is bashed while a Marvel one praised. It's solid enough but just not as good as the admittedly very high standard of it's 3 predecessors. It's not as visceral and fresh as Daredevil, not as gutwrenching and personal as Jessica Jones and not as political and relevant as Luke Cage. This doesn't elecit ny big emotions like those series did, it' struggles for fresh themes. A big part of the criticism from most quarters has been that if you take the fighting from Daredevil, the plot from Arrow and the structure of Batman Begins, you've really already seen this show. Hard to disagree too much with that, sadly. Admittedly though, I thought Luke Cage was terrific throughout while most people thought the big twist halfway through killed it stone dead so I may not be 100% in step with fan opinion on these shows even if I think the reviews are pretty on point for this one. For me. Jessica Jones is the show to beat, then DD s1, ironfist and DD s2 are on a par and Luke Cage was dull beyond belief. Every time Cottonmouth left the scene it went back to wading through jam, and Diamond back was a joke. It reminds me of books I've read, great world but no damn story. The mistake really made by Cage and Ironfist is the producers didn't allow for series momentum. Sure, new series, bit of back story, get on with it! A media res start a la Star Wars would have been awesome, drop some back story in later. More later, pondering now!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 19, 2017 9:26:35 GMT
I am up to ep 5.. I don't care for reviews.. There's a whole bunch of people out in internet land that base their viewing experiences from Rotten Tomatoes website.. Not having that, I will read reviews but at the end of the day I will watchin full then make up my mind. I have been reading/collecting comics since the early 80's - I am so excited we are getting smashed with tv shows and movies..
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 19, 2017 10:03:32 GMT
At least Netflix push the boundaries & don't hold back & i like that.
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Post by Ela on Mar 26, 2017 19:37:43 GMT
Haven't watched it yet. But a number of friends of mine who did were frankly underwhelmed. I imagine I'll get to it eventually.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 27, 2017 7:56:36 GMT
Watched it, loved it & held my interest, i don't get the negativity it's been receiving.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 8:03:59 GMT
Watched it, loved it & held my interest, i don't get the negativity it's been receiving. Apart from awful pacing, a monotonous tone, more than a couple of miscast lead roles, unoriginal writing, derivative fight choreography, a lack of understanding of the source material and poor characterisation ...it's OK. No, while those are all I think very valid complaints about the show I've read - and mostly agree with - it's....alright. Kinda. Sorta. For all the "Netflix gets away with a lot that Network TV couldn't" chat, there's little here that couldn't be on ABC. The bigger issue for me with Iron Fist is it did nothing new, broke no new ground for the Netflix shows. It was really feeling like early 2000s version of what a comic book show is which, if you were there, isn't a positive. There's a lot of nonsense about "critics have it in for the show" but, look at my opinion, , look at Ela's friends and if your FB is like mine check that for a very mixed response too - there are certainly more fans dissenting here than on the other shows. Hopefully it's teething trouble and we can have a better season 2 thats as universally liked as most other shows in this Netflix continuity. It's too late to change anything about Danny in The Defenders since that was filming before this aired.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 27, 2017 15:43:40 GMT
Watched it, loved it & held my interest, i don't get the negativity it's been receiving. Apart from awful pacing, a monotonous tone, more than a couple of miscast lead roles, unoriginal writing, derivative fight choreography, a lack of understanding of the source material and poor characterisation ...it's OK. No, while those are all I think very valid complaints about the show I've read - and mostly agree with - it's....alright. Kinda. Sorta. For all the "Netflix gets away with a lot that Network TV couldn't" chat, there's little here that couldn't be on ABC. The bigger issue for me with Iron Fist is it did nothing new, broke no new ground for the Netflix shows. It was really feeling like early 2000s version of what a comic book show is which, if you were there, isn't a positive. There's a lot of nonsense about "critics have it in for the show" but, look at my opinion, , look at Ela's friends and if your FB is like mine check that for a very mixed response too - there are certainly more fans dissenting here than on the other shows. Hopefully it's teething trouble and we can have a better season 2 thats as universally liked as most other shows in this Netflix continuity. It's too late to change anything about Danny in The Defenders since that was filming before this aired. It had a few niggles i agree but i found this more enjoyable than Luke Cage (i am a very strange fellow ) the one I'm looking forward too is the upcoming The Punisher, one of my favourite Marvel characters & loved him in Daredevil season 2, I'd love to see Netflix adapt Ghost Rider or Blade as i think they'd do it right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 22:16:53 GMT
I'd be wary of doing too much if it meant Marvel still only had 2 or 3 slots a year, though. We'd be waiting 3 or 4 years for the next season of our faves and I cant imagine any actor signing a deal for that long and having massive gaps. I'd guess we'll see team up shows to get them out faster - Iron First and Power Man is the most obvious.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 28, 2017 9:47:58 GMT
I'd be wary of doing too much if it meant Marvel still only had 2 or 3 slots a year, though. We'd be waiting 3 or 4 years for the next season of our faves and I cant imagine any actor signing a deal for that long and having massive gaps. I'd guess we'll see team up shows to get them out faster - Iron First and Power Man is the most obvious. Most obvious, for sure, but id love to see Daughters of the Dragon, and explore Misty getting her bionic hand. What other heroes would you like to see brought into the series already in progress, that would make the most sense, to me, Shang-Chi is up there, and what about Bill Foster? If you read the very early Luke Cage comics, there was a love triangle with Foster, and Cage involved with the same woman, and he was nowhere around to die in the Civil War at the movies, so why not give us Black Goliath, he was always one of my favorites, a great storyline bout him in the late 70's Marvel two in one, but I digress.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 28, 2017 12:30:07 GMT
Moon Knight.. The Batman/DD combination character- that would be great to see..
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 28, 2017 12:43:45 GMT
Moon Knight.. The Batman/DD combination character- that would be great to see.. I'd like this, but hopefully they'd tidy up his personality disorder a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:41:09 GMT
I'd kinda like a Black Cat show. She'd be very different to what we have already but there's only so much you can do without changing the formula. Having her would mean you could do a Prison Break style show early on and transition to a glamourous jewel thief show. Would be quite different to what we've got. Plus she's a legit Hero For Hire alumni along with Misty and Coleen though much more compelling as a solo act.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Mar 28, 2017 16:45:44 GMT
Moon Knight.. The Batman/DD combination character- that would be great to see.. I'd like this, but hopefully they'd tidy up his personality disorder a bit. what do you expect from 4 people?
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