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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 0:26:09 GMT
I know that the Hartnell story The Myth Makers is not an "historical" as it's just as fictional as any Dalek or Cyberman story.
My real regret is that they dealt with the Greek myths in the Hartnell era. I'd love to see a modern DW where the Doctor visits ancient Greece.
Can the Doctor still visit ancient Greece in BF? Maybe do something with the Golden Fleece?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 1, 2017 0:27:09 GMT
I know that the Hartnell story The Myth Makers is not an "historical" as it's just as fictional as any Dalek or Cyberman story. My real regret is that they dealt with the Greek myths in the Hartnell era. I'd love to see a modern DW where the Doctor visits ancient Greece. Can the Doctor still visit ancient Greece in BF? Maybe do something with the Golden Fleece? No reason why not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 1:06:21 GMT
Mask Of Tragedy was set in ancient Athens, wasn't it? Not a terribly great story but still....Greece is the word.
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Post by theotherjosh on Apr 1, 2017 1:27:15 GMT
There is also the Eighth Doctor story Immortal Beloved. It has colonists on an alien world pretending to be the Greek Gods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 1:39:30 GMT
There is also the Eighth Doctor story Immortal Beloved. It has colonists on an alien world pretending to be the Greek Gods. With Ian McNeice, no less. Meaning he's played a fake Greek God in Immortal Beloved and a fake Roman Emperor in Doctor Who, with the alt-timeline Churchill in Wedding Of River Song.  and then in the Churchill box, he meets a real Roman Emperor. What an odd little niche he's got going. Churchill needs to meet Perseus or Theseus next to keep this run going! |
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 1, 2017 6:48:53 GMT
Mask Of Tragedy was set in ancient Athens, wasn't it? Not a terribly great story but still....Greece is the word. Lmao i see what you did there. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 1, 2017 7:14:43 GMT
I think historical adventures involving ancient Greece are probably a good idea both on account of the many possibilities, and because they are eligible to involve some history that is hopefully better known to the world and less demanding of writers to be historians in their own right.
Besides, we've been to Pompeii at least twice (not to mention having seen Capaldi wearing a toga) :-), why not Athens or Sparta or Ephesus?
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Post by pawntake on Apr 1, 2017 8:56:22 GMT
301 Spartans!!! There is a guy on the end dressed in funny clothes!!!
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Post by MayoTango131 on Apr 1, 2017 12:12:31 GMT
Unless it's a crossover with Saint Seiya, a story in Greece is not what I want at the moment.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Apr 1, 2017 14:03:29 GMT
Unless it's a crossover with Saint Seiya, a story in Greece is not what I want at the moment. Me neither, I think it's time for a story set in London, we don't have many of those. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 14:10:22 GMT
Unless it's a crossover with Saint Seiya, a story in Greece is not what I want at the moment. Me neither, I think it's time for a story set in London, we don't have many of those. Especially Victorian London, I don't think The Doctor has ever been there. A place ripe of adventures. |
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Post by number13 on Apr 1, 2017 19:28:16 GMT
The question is asked... I have visited the Temple of Beeb and examined the entrails of the classic series... the omens are not good... 'The Time Monster' - minotaur, Atlantis 'Underworld' (Woe!, woe!) - Jason and the Argonauts and the Golden Fleece 'The Horns of Nimon' - yep, minotaur legend again, but in detail. Now personally, I really like 'The Time Monster' and 'The Horns of Nimon' is a lot of fun if you're in the right mood ("Lord Nimon!") but it has to be said they don't often top the fans' favourites lists. Perhaps it's a curse from the ancient Greek gods who resent their legends being reworked for Doctor Who?! Seriously, I'd love to hear a pure historical set in Ancient Greece. My choice would be (thanks to Carl Sagan and 'Cosmos') for a visit to ancient Ionia, where experimental science flickered into life aeons before the Renaissance, before being lost to superstition again. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 7:49:21 GMT
Seriously, I'd love to hear a pure historical set in Ancient Greece. My choice would be (thanks to Carl Sagan and 'Cosmos') for a visit to ancient Ionia, where experimental science flickered into life aeons before the Renaissance, before being lost to superstition again. Now that sounds like a lot of fun. |
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Post by number13 on Apr 2, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
Seriously, I'd love to hear a pure historical set in Ancient Greece. My choice would be (thanks to Carl Sagan and 'Cosmos') for a visit to ancient Ionia, where experimental science flickered into life aeons before the Renaissance, before being lost to superstition again. Now that sounds like a lot of fun. It's difficult to be sure at this distance in time (and when they were the losing side) but their philosophers seem to have been highly independent-minded and in some cases quite unusual people, fighting against received wisdom. The Doctor would fit in perfectly! They came up with the concept of the atom (and the word), said that the Moon had mountains, explained its phases and eclipses and held that the Moon and Sun were worlds, not gods, that the stars were distant suns and that humans were intelligent animals. They were of course persecuted for such 'heretical' beliefs and their knowledge was supressed, but with so many accurate theories... it's almost as if someone gave them a hint or two... |
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Post by elkawho on Apr 4, 2017 3:28:57 GMT
Now that sounds like a lot of fun. It's difficult to be sure at this distance in time (and when they were the losing side) but their philosophers seem to have been highly independent-minded and in some cases quite unusual people, fighting against received wisdom. The Doctor would fit in perfectly! They came up with the concept of the atom (and the word), said that the Moon had mountains, explained its phases and eclipses and held that the Moon and Sun were worlds, not gods, that the stars were distant suns and that humans were intelligent animals. They were of course persecuted for such 'heretical' beliefs and their knowledge was supressed, but with so many accurate theories... it's almost as if someone gave them a hint or two... It sounds like they are a Doctor Who story waiting to happen. |
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Post by MayoTango131 on Apr 4, 2017 15:42:32 GMT
Me neither, I think it's time for a story set in London, we don't have many of those. Especially Victorian London, I don't think The Doctor has ever been there. A place ripe of adventures. I knew that sarcasm does not work in writing, not even with you. I prefer a story where the TARDIS lands in South America, an unexplored place in the series. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 7:30:55 GMT
But then they'd have to confront the reality of native American's human sacrifices and other atrocities... which doesn't fit with the modern image of them as innocent victims of European genocide.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 9:46:50 GMT
But then they'd have to confront the reality of native American's human sacrifices and other atrocities... which doesn't fit with the modern image of them as innocent victims of European genocide. I dunno, certain eras of Doctor Who have always been very good at exploring the greyer moral aspects of conflict and it's not as if stories can't do both. It is an inextricable part of Quechua culture in the same way that the Wounded Knee Massacre is a part of both colonial and indigenous American culture or the Battle of Rorke's Drift is part of British and Zulu. The question there is how graphic a depiction of both sides could you have before it became unsuitable for a family television show. As a writer, you'd also have to tread the line where you're not judging cultures, but characters instead and that's often done by having people on the same side (ethnically, culturally, etc.) who are at odds with one another; i.e. wise and evenhanded Saladin vs. the cruel and petty El-Akir from The Crusade. |
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Post by number13 on Apr 8, 2017 12:11:22 GMT
But then they'd have to confront the reality of native American's human sacrifices and other atrocities... which doesn't fit with the modern image of them as innocent victims of European genocide. 'The Aztecs' ? A brilliant, complex story treating the Aztecs very much as independent people, each with their own motives and beliefs, as exemplified by the two priests. Tlotoxl isn't an innocent victim of anything, he's Richard III with a stone knife. And Autloc is a good man who finds enlightenment (at a high cost) thanks to Barbara's intervention. John Lucarotti was 'The High Priest of Knowledge' when it came to writing Doctor Who historicals. It's tragic that only one of his stories survives on screen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 12:33:29 GMT
But then they'd have to confront the reality of native American's human sacrifices and other atrocities... which doesn't fit with the modern image of them as innocent victims of European genocide. 'The Aztecs' ? A brilliant, complex story treating the Aztecs very much as independent people, each with their own motives and beliefs, as exemplified by the two priests. Tlotoxl isn't an innocent victim of anything, he's Richard III with a stone knife. And Autloc is a good man who finds enlightenment (at a high cost) thanks to Barbara's intervention. John Lucarotti was 'The High Priest of Knowledge' when it came to writing Doctor Who historicals. It's tragic that only one of his stories survives on screen. The greatest shame given that he was writing novelisations of his stories in the 1980s is that the current production office never sought a script from him. Could you imagine a Sixie/Peri story penned by him set in somewhere like Khartoum or the like? |
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and then in the Churchill box, he meets a real Roman Emperor. What an odd little niche he's got going. Churchill needs to meet Perseus or Theseus next to keep this run going!
