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Post by Zagreus on Apr 27, 2017 16:03:14 GMT
Well, we're very nearly fifteen years out, real time, from when Return to Collinwood is set, so one could feasibly facilitate a Next Generation type situation. To add to this, one could also change the setting a bit. Instead of Collinsport and Collinwood, one could pull a Strange Paradise and set it at a different family owned estate or something. Perhaps the family's original European homestead has never been successfully sold, due to mysterious happenings, and the latest generation have decided to return to Collins Hall or somesuch.
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Post by Zagreus on Apr 28, 2017 3:30:48 GMT
Well, we're very nearly fifteen years out, real time, from when Return to Collinwood is set, so one could feasibly facilitate a Next Generation type situation. To add to this, one could also change the setting a bit. Instead of Collinsport and Collinwood, one could pull a Strange Paradise and set it at a different family owned estate or something. Perhaps the family's original European homestead has never been successfully sold, due to mysterious happenings, and the latest generation have decided to return to Collins Hall or somesuch. They could even have their own time travel arc, back to the time of Silas and Grace! Maybe little Gregory became a creature from the black lagoon type deal, and still haunts the grounds to this day... Trying to think of other things that the old show hasn't used, but would fit in with the European setting. A Medusa, maybe? Woman associated with snakes, with a gaze that seems to stop you in your tracks... Maybe get some Striga in there (like vampires, but owl-themed instead of bats), could even tie that in to Strix. Heck, maybe he was a Collins all along haha! Banshees, Changelings, the fae folk, there's a ton that could be done with the setting, in addition to the more conventional ghosts/witches/vampires/etc.
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Post by Zagreus on Apr 29, 2017 0:08:48 GMT
Well, we're very nearly fifteen years out, real time, from when Return to Collinwood is set, so one could feasibly facilitate a Next Generation type situation. To add to this, one could also change the setting a bit. Instead of Collinsport and Collinwood, one could pull a Strange Paradise and set it at a different family owned estate or something. Perhaps the family's original European homestead has never been successfully sold, due to mysterious happenings, and the latest generation have decided to return to Collins Hall or somesuch. They could even have their own time travel arc, back to the time of Silas and Grace! Maybe little Gregory became a creature from the black lagoon type deal, and still haunts the grounds to this day... Trying to think of other things that the old show hasn't used, but would fit in with the European setting. A Medusa, maybe? Woman associated with snakes, with a gaze that seems to stop you in your tracks... Maybe get some Striga in there (like vampires, but owl-themed instead of bats), could even tie that in to Strix. Heck, maybe he was a Collins all along haha! Banshees, Changelings, the fae folk, there's a ton that could be done with the setting, in addition to the more conventional ghosts/witches/vampires/etc. Travel-to-the-Past stories could include, in no particular order: 1674 - Our regulars travel back in time and meet young siblings Isaac and Amadeus Collins, as well as their cousin Brutus Collins, recently back from the war, recently ended by the Treaty of Westminster. Due to Brutus' use of dark arts during the recent war, his sister Constance suggests fleeing to the Americas to escape the prying eyes of the inquisition. 1720 - Our regulars travel to the past to try to prevent the death of Gregory Collins, young son of Silas and Grace, but sinister forces are at work, and there's something strange about that pearl... After Gregory's death, some strange drowned apparition haunts the halls... 1896 - Quentin and Laura Collins (pretending to be a married couple), cousins from America, visit the ancestral homestead while on their way to Egypt. Quentin returns alone, briefly, but in his wake is a terrible mummy, and it's curse for being disturbed by the Collins family! Wait no that doesn't work, because the house would be empty... uh... f*ck it, let's say the Cunningham family is currently occupying the household 1941 - The family discovers in the present an unexploded bomb from WWII. It seems to be stuck in time, continually just about to explode, but the spell cast upon it is wearing thin, and the regulars must travel back to 1941 to discover the events surrounding the bomb in the first place. Story arc features Quentin visiting the house while he was in the area (pretending to be a different cousin from America this time ). Heck, lets have him looking in on the Cunninghams, after finding out that John is from the family currently residing in the house. Features some members of the Covington offshoot of the Cunningham family Okay I'm having too much fun with this
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 23:23:05 GMT
I said this in a podcast a few years ago, but I honestly think Dark Shadows needs the "Next Generation" treatment. A new set of Collins in the house, descendants of the original characters having new experiences. Some of the original surviving cast could return as other characters, or the ghosts of their old characters, etc. It worked extremely well for Star Trek, which once upon a time it was thought "No one will ever accept anyone other than Kirk, Spock and McCoy!" - but the new cast and show became extremely popular. That being said, I'm not sure audio would be my first choice to create such a new offshoot of the franchise. But it could work.
I know what you mean, but it's Big Finish, it'd be brilliant
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 23:25:09 GMT
BTW, if there was a new version...it should be Ryan Murphy that does it. Pitch it between American Horror Story and Feud...job done. Plus it could mean Jessica Lange as Liz, Dennis O'Hare as Roger, Lily Rabe as Angelique, Kathy Bates as Mrs Johnson, Sarah Paulson as Maggie, Finn Witrock as Willie, Evan Peters as Quentin, Joseph Fiennes as Barnabas, Susan Sarandon as Julia....it's casting itself with Murphy regulars already.
Eh, I'd rather if co-showrun it with someone else. I've only seen the latest and I'm excited for Feud, but Ronaoke, although I enjoyed the ride, didn't quite wrap up all of it's storylines effectivily for me.
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Post by escalus5 on May 6, 2017 19:05:01 GMT
And Julia has to be done right. The 1991 version is such a clumsy recreation of the character it makes my blood boil. I've been watching and really enjoying the 1991 revival. Although Julia's attraction to Barnabas isn't very convincing, that's mainly a problem with the writing. Barbara Steele does fine work, and I actually prefer her interpretation of the role to Grayson Hall's.
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Post by Rob Morris on May 7, 2017 9:50:54 GMT
To be fair I'm not a big fan of Barbara Steele (I find her delivery of everything odd), but it's not so much her interpretation that I don't care for, but the way it's written. The big obvious thing is the "mirror moment". In the 60s DS, Julia turns up at the old house already thinking Barnabas is a vampire, and takes out her compact mirror to check he doesn't reflect. She's clever and sneaky, and already ahead of everyone else. In the 1991 revival he just stupidly stands in front of a huge mirror that takes up a wall and Julia happens to spot he doesn't reflect. (Something which everyone else in the room should also be spotting.) This sums up my problem with the 1991 revival. It's like they went "isn't there a bit where" and recreate it, without trying to remember where it fits in the plot or the throughline of the characters. I appreciate it has its fans though.
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Post by cschell on May 7, 2017 19:38:48 GMT
This sums up my problem with the 1991 revival. It's like they went "isn't there a bit where" and recreate it, without trying to remember where it fits in the plot or the throughline of the characters. A lot of reboots have this awful tendency to never really become their own thing, and then end up being this recreation that doesn't evolve organically and artificially tries to hit the same beats, without impact. I love how the Peter Cushing Dr. Who movies did their own thing and didn't really try to recreate the original. Everyone is re-imagined, (not just updated, but drastically changed) God they're good.
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Post by Barnacle Crawlins on Jun 19, 2017 9:17:20 GMT
Well, we're very nearly fifteen years out, real time, from when Return to Collinwood is set, so one could feasibly facilitate a Next Generation type situation. To add to this, one could also change the setting a bit. Instead of Collinsport and Collinwood, one could pull a Strange Paradise and set it at a different family owned estate or something. Perhaps the family's original European homestead has never been successfully sold, due to mysterious happenings, and the latest generation have decided to return to Collins Hall or somesuch. Oddly enough me and a friend had an idea similar to this and made a brief outline; it was set in an old plantation house in the South and thus was a Southern Gothic take on DS; it had a subplot connected to the Civil War and one that was connected to the Collins family in England during the Restoration era (about 1680 or early 1690s; not long before the Collinses move to the new world and found Collinsport).
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Post by Barnacle Crawlins on Jun 19, 2017 9:18:52 GMT
This sums up my problem with the 1991 revival. It's like they went "isn't there a bit where" and recreate it, without trying to remember where it fits in the plot or the throughline of the characters. A lot of reboots have this awful tendency to never really become their own thing, and then end up being this recreation that doesn't evolve organically and artificially tries to hit the same beats, without impact. I love how the Peter Cushing Dr. Who movies did their own thing and didn't really try to recreate the original. Everyone is re-imagined, (not just updated, but drastically changed) God they're good. Agreed. It is good to see that someone else likes those films, too many DW-fans seem not to nowadays (or pretend not to) because they aren't the show but... well... the show wasn't perfect as none of the Doctors were the great Peter Cushing!
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Post by omega on Jun 19, 2017 10:39:30 GMT
I think it would be interesting if when vampires drank from people, they took on some of the personality and mental traits of their victims. Making the influence a two-way street, ensuring the the vampire and their blood donor more mentally compatible. That would add another angle to the curse aspect of vampirism and give a lot for vampire characters to work with. So if Barnabas peruses the dockside catalogue, he may end up becoming more flirty. Just how long until his personality is lost among Collinsport's prostitute population?
Maybe you'd get vampires deliberately selecting people with the personality traits they desire. Confidence, ambition, love. Designer personalities if you will. Then there's a group hunting down these selective biters that comes to Collinsport...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 17:55:54 GMT
There is not a need to remake it it has a lot of history but Bloodlust brought in new characters and it can expand from there there’s no need to rehash elements . Collinswood can exhale and breathe in...bringing fresh new stories
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