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Chancellery Guard
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Post by ljwilson on Jul 26, 2020 19:20:44 GMT
I had my first email read out on the podcast! wooo!!The first one they read! Fame at last!
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 27, 2020 1:40:09 GMT
I had my first email read out on the podcast! wooo!!The first one they read! WOO HOO.. What was your question? (I just can't listen as it's Tangent Time 24/7 on these podcasts)
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Post by elkawho on Jul 27, 2020 18:43:47 GMT
I had my first email read out on the podcast! wooo!!The first one they read! WOO HOO.. What was your question? (I just can't listen as it's Tangent Time 24/7 on these podcasts) I answered the podcast questions of how do you listen and what is your favorite non DW range (I said Dorian Gray and Omega Factor). And I asked about the delay of the Lovecraft Invasion. It seems it will be out by the end of the month.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 27, 2020 20:05:46 GMT
WOO HOO.. What was your question? (I just can't listen as it's Tangent Time 24/7 on these podcasts) I answered the podcast questions of how do you listen and what is your favorite non DW range (I said Dorian Gray and Omega Factor). And I asked about the delay of the Lovecraft Invasion. It seems it will be out by the end of the month. Yes- Dorian and Omega Factor I am listening to Omega Factor now co incidentally
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Post by mark687 on Aug 1, 2020 14:50:17 GMT
This Weeks Live Link www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2020-08-02-ace-and-adam-adamant-2Spoilers for Adam Adamant in the behind the scenes Interview teaser Nice chat with AudioSerins Reviewers Podcast in the Reviews section Bits and Bobs They will almost certainly never get 2000 AD rights back, they do occasionally still ask about the other lost licences. From the E-Mails CDS are being put back in Sales You won't get DW Stories with anymore Mature Content than they already have Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on Aug 8, 2020 11:57:38 GMT
This Weeks Live Link www.bigfinish.com/podcasts/v/2020-08-09-fifth-and-sixth-doctorsPlea for respect for the Social Media Team and Strategy (but they love us all regardless) From the E-Mails Suzie Mendez is named for Nicks Grandmother (though Suzie was actually her affectionate nickname) Lots of Praise for Virtual BF Day When live this weeks RAN Offer (25% Off DL Only) will be the classic DW MR No 57 Arrangements for War Regards mark687
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 8, 2020 14:43:24 GMT
Curious about what happened with the social media situation did that have something to do with The TLV Release with 8 and 10 not being on CD?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 8, 2020 14:59:12 GMT
Curious about what happened with the social media situation did that have something to do with The TLV Release with 8 and 10 not being on CD? Not exactly, lately they've had a tendency to use GIFs as a way of drawing causal attention and apparently lately some people are taking a strong/ harsh opinion against it (Didn't know people were making formal and public complaints in such numbers to warrant an official plea for calm) But on the other hand LOL Regards mark687
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 8, 2020 16:01:42 GMT
Are the people who run the social media the same team as those that write the news pieces? Being unkind isn’t acceptable, but if they’re getting enough criticism about the way they do things, then it should give Big Finish food for thought about how they handle the way they promote themselves. It shouldn’t be a case of burying their head in the sand and telling people to give it a rest.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 8, 2020 16:08:03 GMT
Plea for respect for the Social Media Team and Strategy (but they love us all regardless) Respect? They should be able to take criticism on board. But I know Briggs is notoriously defensive about any criticism.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 8, 2020 16:40:11 GMT
Are the people who run the social media the same team as those that write the news pieces? Being unkind isn’t acceptable, but if they’re getting enough criticism about the way they do things, then it should give Big Finish food for thought about how they handle the way they promote themselves. It shouldn’t be a case of burying their head in the sand and telling people to give it a rest. Well that interesting their part of the PR Team but they run the Twitter and Facebook accounts so they've come up with strategy to use on it that the PR approve. (I'm assuming the criticism is getting more vocal and personal hence the comment) Regards mark687
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 8, 2020 16:53:13 GMT
I have found, in non-BF contexts, that people whose job it is to communicate are particularly unwilling to take on constructive criticism about the way they do their jobs. That being said, I'm not sure how BF could have communicated this Asda business in a way that people wouldn't complain about; it's not the method, it's the message that people have objected to.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 8, 2020 17:20:23 GMT
I have found, in non-BF contexts, that people whose job it is to communicate are particularly unwilling to take on constructive criticism about the way they do their jobs. That being said, I'm not sure how BF could have communicated this Asda business in a way that people wouldn't complain about; it's not the method, it's the message that people have objected to. They could’ve communicated it better. They weren’t clear that it was Demon Records involved with it until they got criticism for not having a CD release. If they’d been honest from the start and said it was a Demon Records release that they commissioned Big Finish to produce, but they’d managed to procure a download, then that would’ve been different. However, Big Finish were quite happy to say it was their own release until they got criticism. And they’re still happy to promote the vinyl now. Personally, I think it is a Big Finish production that they liaised with Demon Records on for the vinyl and they’ve either made an oversight in the agreement of the physical distribution or they were content with what they agreed to... until they got criticism and decided to shift the blame. Which brings us to your initial point about being unwilling to take constructive criticism on board. I agree that it happens outside of Big Finish, but they’re notorious for it and have seemingly never sought to improve, otherwise their press releases and general communication would be better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 18:56:59 GMT
.. it's the message that people have objected to. I hope the people at Demon Music see the complaints on social media and agree to a CD release* of Echoes of Extinction to keep the people who like to collect Doctor Who CD's happy, even if it is limited to 500 copies or pre-order only and pressed to demand. I will be happy with the LP version as I play my BF records, but Time Lord Victorious is a major Doctor Who event and Echoes of Extinction should be available in the popular formats the fans are used to for their Big Finish stories so everyone can buy it and add it to their Big Finish Doctor Who collection... along with all the other 'Doctor Who: Time Lord Victorious' stuff that we are all going to pick up!
[* Assuming a CD release isn't already planned once the vinyl edition has sold out... and I wouldn't be surprised if it was!]
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Post by project37 on Aug 8, 2020 19:09:23 GMT
I haven't listened to the podcast in years, but scanning through the latest episode, I was surprised to hear Nick mention that he himself stopped getting the CDs of their releases a while ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 19:33:44 GMT
.. it's the message that people have objected to. I hope the people at Demon Music see the complaints on social media and agree to a CD release* of Echoes of Extinction to keep the people who like to collect Doctor Who CD's happy, even if it is limited to 500 copies or pre-order only and pressed to demand. I will be happy with the LP version as I play my BF records, but Time Lord Victorious is a major Doctor Who event and Echoes of Extinction should be available in the popular formats the fans are used to for their Big Finish stories so everyone can buy it and add it to their Big Finish Doctor Who collection... along with all the other 'Doctor Who: Time Lord Victorious' stuff that we are all going to pick up!
[* Assuming a CD release isn't already planned once the vinyl edition has sold out... and I wouldn't be surprised if it was!]
I think they need to be upfront with clarity if that will be the case. Its not quite the same and does not fit as an analogy, but it brings to mind, to myself, the often used promotion of various models of motor cars at a limited run discount, but where the small print indicates that it is the base model on offer, but where the illustrated example is a variant with several thousands of pounds worth of extras (alloy wheels, metallic paint, tinted glass, etc). Do collectors get the Vinyl to keep un-played and the download to listen to, when there may be a CD with free DL available in 12 months time? Nothing so far suggests that may be the case, but if it were, a significant number from this forum alone would end up paying triple for this release. Its what we do, and why there is a market for this kind of thing. I really don't see that Vinyl collectors would be discouraged by the availability of a CD version - I think they do buy both. As I said elsewhere yesterday, this is not a criticism of Big Finish. I suspect that it is perhaps misplaced concern elsewhere that the Vinyl demand would be affected. Has any such release failed to sell out thus far, despite their being re-releases of existing material? I must be clear here that I am not interested in the Vinyl release having said many times here before that I probably have enough of them. But I will reconsider purchasing the existing trilogy if I feel that it is going to remain incomplete, being a CD (with DL) collector. It nags me as it is (at times) that I have chronological or numerical gaps on the shelf where I have bought releases on download only offers and should have waited to get the CD too.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 8, 2020 19:37:17 GMT
I haven't listened to the podcast in years, but scanning through the latest episode, I was surprised to hear Nick mention that he himself stopped getting the CDs of their releases a while ago. It’s going on at least a year since Nick first mentioned he was doing all downloads.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 19:57:53 GMT
I have found, in non-BF contexts, that people whose job it is to communicate are particularly unwilling to take on constructive criticism about the way they do their jobs. That being said, I'm not sure how BF could have communicated this Asda business in a way that people wouldn't complain about; it's not the method, it's the message that people have objected to. They could’ve communicated it better. They weren’t clear that it was Demon Records involved with it until they got criticism for not having a CD release. If they’d been honest from the start and said it was a Demon Records release that they commissioned Big Finish to produce, but they’d managed to procure a download, then that would’ve been different. However, Big Finish were quite happy to say it was their own release until they got criticism. And they’re still happy to promote the vinyl now. Personally, I think it is a Big Finish production that they liaised with Demon Records on for the vinyl and they’ve either made an oversight in the agreement of the physical distribution or they were content with what they agreed to... until they got criticism and decided to shift the blame. Which brings us to your initial point about being unwilling to take constructive criticism on board. I agree that it happens outside of Big Finish, but they’re notorious for it and have seemingly never sought to improve, otherwise their press releases and general communication would be better. I think that much of what we were given may be regarded as 'advertorial'. The news we receive is essentially promotion. Perhaps because we are a difficult bunch of customers, they have had to respond to a challenge, because the PR does not tally with 'business as usual'. My feelings are that this is a case where BF are not fully autonomous and are feeling the heat whereas other parties say nothing. What does Demon Records say? Have they promoted it? Who is at the helm for the BBC in discussing the whole enterprise and licensing agreements. I don't present an argument to yourself here, but without wishing to seem a bit easy to please, at least the core BF team still try to inform us as best they can, or maybe are allowed to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 20:24:22 GMT
I haven't listened to the podcast in years, but scanning through the latest episode, I was surprised to hear Nick mention that he himself stopped getting the CDs of their releases a while ago. It’s going on at least a year since Nick first mentioned he was doing all downloads. I'm sure like the rest of us cult fans he's got space issues. The days of the entire BF canon taking up a few shelves are long, long gone as we know. Then there's the whole thing that downloads would be preferable for BF, less production costs, no factory space, no lost in the post items, no international post you've stupidly undercharged for over years, better carbon footprint, and many more reasons we've gone into over the piece. So him as spokesman promoting the DL makes sense anyway.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 8, 2020 20:36:56 GMT
They could’ve communicated it better. They weren’t clear that it was Demon Records involved with it until they got criticism for not having a CD release. If they’d been honest from the start and said it was a Demon Records release that they commissioned Big Finish to produce, but they’d managed to procure a download, then that would’ve been different. However, Big Finish were quite happy to say it was their own release until they got criticism. And they’re still happy to promote the vinyl now. Personally, I think it is a Big Finish production that they liaised with Demon Records on for the vinyl and they’ve either made an oversight in the agreement of the physical distribution or they were content with what they agreed to... until they got criticism and decided to shift the blame. Which brings us to your initial point about being unwilling to take constructive criticism on board. I agree that it happens outside of Big Finish, but they’re notorious for it and have seemingly never sought to improve, otherwise their press releases and general communication would be better. I think that much of what we were given may be regarded as 'advertorial'. The news we receive is essentially promotion. Perhaps because we are a difficult bunch of customers, they have had to respond to a challenge, because the PR does not tally with 'business as usual'. My feelings are that this is a case where BF are not fully autonomous and are feeling the heat whereas other parties say nothing. What does Demon Records say? Have they promoted it? Who is at the helm for the BBC in discussing the whole enterprise and licensing agreements. I don't present an argument to yourself here, but without wishing to seem a bit easy to please, at least the core BF team still try to inform us as best they can, or maybe are allowed to. Sorry, but I don’t really follow your point. You’re saying that the Big Finish team try to inform us, in response to an example I’ve provided where they didn't inform us. They happily advertised Echoes of Extinction as a Big Finish production. The different method of physical distribution, which has created a lack of a CD release, caused them to get a lot of criticism. In response they decided to shift the blame by saying it’s a Demon Records commissioned production. If they were trying to inform us, then they’d have been crystal clear from the beginning. Echoes of Extinction is just the most recent example of their marketing and PR gaffes. They make them on such a regular basis that announcement threads here span pages because users are either debating what Big Finish have said or are criticising the lack of information or clarity. Indeed, it’s why we’re having this discussion right now. They just don’t learn.
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