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Post by mbt66 on Feb 27, 2021 17:36:58 GMT
Personally, I reckon the Suicide Squad idea will be the spin off to the Gallifrey range. That or they’ll just do more stories set before the Time War. It feels like a good fit, with Narvin running a special department within the CIA before the Time War. As I said in the Gallifrey:TW4 thread although I am eternally disappointed with the range I am sure they will hook me in again with just such a bait.
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Post by Bonesaw14 on Feb 27, 2021 23:08:39 GMT
Recasting update BF will continue to explore this as its being done with the upmost respect for the Late Actors but BF are getting fed up of the extreme vocal minority who hate it and say its being done cynically Also there is Moderation on the official BF FB Page if your found to be offensive to BF or other Page Members you will be blocked Good. There's one particular so-and-so who has become tiresome in the extreme. I've unfortunately had a back and forth with that guy. How can someone be so irrationally angry over audio drama recasts?
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Post by chronotis on Feb 28, 2021 1:04:29 GMT
Recasting update BF will continue to explore this as its being done with the upmost respect for the Late Actors but BF are getting fed up of the extreme vocal minority who hate it and say its being done cynically I don't always agree with Nick, but he's bang on during this segment. Like what you like & let other people like that they like. Don't make it personal.
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Post by nitronine on Feb 28, 2021 1:05:06 GMT
Good. There's one particular so-and-so who has become tiresome in the extreme. I've unfortunately had a back and forth with that guy. How can someone be so irrationally angry over audio drama recasts? Ironically his conversations under the post have likely driven up post engagement, so the Facebook algorithm shows the announcement to more people.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 28, 2021 9:43:00 GMT
Honestly i can see both sides perspectives and understand the frustrations ultimately Big Finish usually has a good track record with recasts and ultimately The future of Classic Who is going to feature a lot of Recasts (i mean Actors are getting older, retiring and sadly passing away)
and arguably New Who Actors are fairly busy we have been lucky with David Tennant and now Christopher Ecclston but we dont know if they will be consistently doing Big Finish especially Chris Eccleston. we also dont know if Matt Smith or Peter Capaldi will ever reprise their roles- Matt Smith's Career is steady in Hollywood and Peter Capaldi's feelings on Who at the moment is unclear
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Post by The Brigadier on Feb 28, 2021 11:42:57 GMT
Curiosity got the better of me after listening to Nick commenting about what was being said, so I went looking through the Facebook comments on the posts about recast audios and found the person some of you have mentioned. Goodness me..he is quite the angry little fellow isn't he? Almost made me want to offer a reassuring pat on his head, pop his dummy back in his mouth and make sure his toys are more secure in his pram..👶
Anyway...recasts. My opinion. If Katy is more than eager to work alongside two men who have stepped into the mighty big shoes of Jon Pertwee and Nick Courtney, if Tom is more than enthusiastic to work alongside Chris and Sadie as a new Harry and Sarah...not to mention both Daisy and Sadie being cast in their respective mothers roles in the upcoming audios..if behind the scenes the production team can take the time and put in the effort to get the story, the music, the sound effects and the mood as close to what went before.. then in my eyes it becomes a labour of love on BF's part and it becomes worthy of my time and my money. Of course there is a part of me that would love to hear the original cast play their roles once more, but we all know that just isn't possible. This is the next best thing. And if by recasting it introduces new listeners to a television era from half a century ago...
Besides..do we honestly think that either Katy or Tom would participate if the audios were a cynical cashing in on the memories of people they knew closely?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 12:47:19 GMT
Curiosity got the better of me after listening to Nick commenting about what was being said, so I went looking through the Facebook comments on the posts about recast audios and found the person some of you have mentioned. Goodness me..he is quite the angry little fellow isn't he? Almost made me want to offer a reassuring pat on his head, pop his dummy back in his mouth and make sure his toys are more secure in his pram..👶 I couldn't resist, I had to see what all the fuss is about while I still can. That lad has made a bit of a name for himself amongst other fans hasn't he? A real lone crusader against what he sees as 'disrespectful'.
I shouldn't dwell on his notoriety, but this quote leapt out at me: '...most of the so called fans on this page are a bunch of intellectually challenged clapping seals.'
How lovely!
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Post by number13 on Feb 28, 2021 13:05:46 GMT
Curiosity got the better of me after listening to Nick commenting about what was being said, so I went looking through the Facebook comments on the posts about recast audios and found the person some of you have mentioned. Goodness me..he is quite the angry little fellow isn't he? Almost made me want to offer a reassuring pat on his head, pop his dummy back in his mouth and make sure his toys are more secure in his pram..👶 I couldn't resist, I had to see what all the fuss is about while I still can. That lad has made a bit of a name for himself amongst other fans hasn't he? A real lone crusader against what he sees as 'disrespectful'.
I shouldn't dwell on his notoriety, but this quote leapt out at me: '...most of the so called fans on this page are a bunch of intellectually challenged clapping seals.'
How lovely! And just wrong. (Seals can't clap, that would be sea- lions. )
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Post by muckypup on Feb 28, 2021 14:10:43 GMT
to me i have absolutely no problem with recasts....... i am not saying i am always happy with what we get, but john Pertwee is not the 3rd doctor, no more than Christian Bale is the batman they are just portraying that character for a certain period of time...... it is far more disrespectful to allow that character to be forgotten
respectful recasts is the only way forward,
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Post by idle453 on Feb 28, 2021 16:36:08 GMT
Well now I’m curious. Could someone pm me with a post or date that some of these comments are? I’ve been ok with recasts since the beginning of them although I do think they should primarily be for actors who are no longer options. I do find it very ironic people are complaining about recasting considering the show has recast the main character at least twelve times. I’m don’t know how the general public felt about troughton being cast, but when did the Doctor start being referred to by number? Was it the three doctors?
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Post by number13 on Feb 28, 2021 23:38:04 GMT
to me i have absolutely no problem with recasts....... i am not saying i am always happy with what we get, but john Pertwee is not the 3rd doctor, no more than Christian Bale is the batman they are just portraying that character for a certain period of time...... it is far more disrespectful to allow that character to be forgotten respectful recasts is the only way forward, Nah, Jon Pertwee IS the Third Doctor, I've believed that since 1971 and I'm not changing my mind now!
But Tim Treloar plays him splendidly and I'm so pleased BF took the plunge and recast my Doctor. By Vol 7 we'll have had more than two extra complete Third Doctor seasons (going by the 1970s 26 episode average) and how fabulous is that!
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 28, 2021 23:50:21 GMT
For me, the idea of recasting a particular Doctor is like recasting a particular Bond, or a particular Sherlock Holmes. But I can see why there’s an appeal for some people. And I’m not being forced to listen to them so I don’t mind missing out on them. But some people really lose all perspective and humour about something they’ don’t have to partake in. I really hope these guys don’t discover religion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 1:56:27 GMT
to me i have absolutely no problem with recasts....... i am not saying i am always happy with what we get, but john Pertwee is not the 3rd doctor, no more than Christian Bale is the batman they are just portraying that character for a certain period of time...... it is far more disrespectful to allow that character to be forgotten respectful recasts is the only way forward, Nah, Jon Pertwee IS the Third Doctor, I've believed that since 1971 and I'm not changing my mind now! But Tim Treloar plays him splendidly and I'm so pleased BF took the plunge and recast my Doctor. By Vol 7 we'll have had more than two extra complete Third Doctor seasons (going by the 1970s 26 episode average) and how fabulous is that!
Ditto from here. William Hartnell is, for me, the First Doctor. The well from which all subsequent iterations follow. Without him, we would not have the charm of Richard Hurndell, the twinkling mystery of William Russell/Carole Ann Ford, the sharp-eyed ingenuity of Peter Purves/Maureen O'Brien and the sincerity of David Bradley. If the old saying about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery is true, just look at how much -- and how well -- he's been imitated over the years. We've got Daughter of the Gods, The Phoenicians, Farewell Great Macedon, The Sontarans, The Rocket Men, Quinnis... It's marvellous we've been able to experience this at all. The audiobook of The Massacre novelisation with Peter Purves playing William Hartnell playing the Doctor playing the Abbot of Amboise remains one of my favourites for that reason. There's some real talent and skill that goes into making these stories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 7:34:18 GMT
but john Pertwee is not the 3rd doctor, no more than Christian Bale is the batman they are just portraying that character for a certain period of time..... Not really the same comparison. The Batman was a comic character so anybody can interpret the character in a movie or on TV, there is no exact portrayal. Every Batman is different, Christian Bale doesn't have to try and sound like Adam West. BUT the Third Doctor is Jon Pertwee. Tim Treloar does a great job but he is trying to sound like Jon Pertwee and not just playing it as himself... likewise with the actors playing the First and Second Doctors for Big Finish. They are trying to recreate the era of TV Doctor they are playing, so the TV Doctors are the definitive editions of those characters.
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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 1, 2021 10:23:43 GMT
I can certainly understand having a sense of loyalty to original performers - in fact, I'm sure I must still prefer doing more with the original performers we're still lucky enough to have with us, over more recasts - but I do think it seems a bit silly to nurture feelings of hostility over recasts or especially to insinuate that Big Finish is callously cashing in. I probably can't think of anyone who loves Doctor Who so much as to put it back on the air and keep it going, and I'm even a bit skeptical that sales go through the roof over a recasting of Liz or Harry. More like it's a balm for a few of us who spend too much time thinking how sad it is that there couldn't be more audios with a particular character.
In fact, I much admire and appreciate how respectful Big Finish have been when it comes to who can be said to have a right to be heir to a role when it's even remotely possible. It is possible to enjoy recasts even for having that sense of loyalty to the original performers, and to develop a sense of loyalty to the recasts as well. Frazer is still the Second Doctor as far as I'm concerned, and the First Doctor is interesting and ever horizon-broadening because I still think that both William Russell and Peter Purves are the First Doctor, even though somehow there is still plenty of room for David Bradley's rendition, and the same very much goes for Tim Treloar as Third Doctor.
It's good to try to actually give recasts a chance, too - all of these recasts were a bit of a shock to me when I first heard them. The first volume of the Third Doctor Adventures sound so much more natural to me now than when I first heard it. It's a wonderful thing that none of these recasts seem to change things with the original cast members, Pertwee doesn't sound one iota less like the Third Doctor no matter how much more Tim Treloar sounds like the Third Doctor with every listen, and so on. It seems perfectly possible to enjoy a recast without diluting any sense of loyalty to a particular performer as a character.
I much agree with Stevo that the original cast do become the definitive portrayal of a character, but one has to appreciate the effort that the recasts have put in to capture the essence, the mannerisms and delivery of the definitive performances. That's probably all I really need from a recast is that it doesn't make me hit the pause button every five minutes thinking "I can't take it, that sounds nothing like the original character" but they have all delivered more.
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Post by OneTen on Mar 1, 2021 10:52:44 GMT
For me, the idea of recasting a particular Doctor is like recasting a particular Bond, or a particular Sherlock Holmes. But I can see why there’s an appeal for some people. And I’m not being forced to listen to them so I don’t mind missing out on them. But some people really lose all perspective and humour about something they’ don’t have to partake in. I really hope these guys don’t discover religion. Yes, I entirely agree with this, I just won't enjoy listening to the imitations of other actor's interpretations of rôles in a serious drama. But, easy though Big Finish have made it to buy and listen to their products, it remains even easier still simply to give them a miss. Why on Earth would anyone go to the effort of getting, listening to and getting angry about something they know they're not going to enjoy?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 11:15:05 GMT
I have to admit it, there was a time when I thought 'when BF start doing recasts, then I won't be buying them.' I'm not sure why, but as others have said, it's probably down to nostalgia and some strange loyalty to the original actor.
Then Tim Treloar came along with an interpretation of the Third Doctor that was so good, he was instantly an exception to my recast 'rule'. Then Daisy Ashford and Sadie Miller appeared - if the original actors' own children are happy to play their parents' roles, then how could I talk about not buying those stories because of 'loyalty?'
BF always do things with a lot of love - they're always respectful about their decisions, and I'm delighted with their recasts so far. Besides, it's either that or we get no full cast First and Third Doctor stories, and that would be a real shame. Is Frazer Hines a recast of The Second Doctor? A strange one, because of course, he also plays another prominent part. Either way, provided it's done with a continued love and care, I'm very happy with the way BF have gone about things.
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Post by grinch on Mar 1, 2021 11:32:56 GMT
Not to mention, I have no doubt that had the likes of the late Kate O Mara or the estate/family of John Hurt not given their blessing to have their roles recast then Big Finish certainly wouldn’t do anymore new stories featuring their characters.
Don’t know about you lot but I feel like if I were in such a position I’d take great comfort and pride in knowing that the character(s) I portrayed would live on and have new adventures long after I’m gone.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 1, 2021 12:07:32 GMT
I think it's hard to quantify, as there's so many variables. Different people will have their own line in the sand and how that's defined will influence their opinion. The one big thing I always think about is that if Big Finish launched with recasts, they'd have been dead in the water. It's the years of listening, investing in them and their diverse output - even if you only listen to Doctor Who - that has allowed them to launch the recasts and get people to adopt to them.
I personally don't have an issue with the idea of recasts, but I have my own views on how far these things should go, or how they should be promoted. For example, I think having Jacob Dudman playing Eleven or Twelve, and being billed as such, is a bit strange to me. Similarly, I think David Bradley's First Doctor should be paired with the original cast, or given his own era, rather than the An Adventure in Space and Time cast. I think the latter is just one of those things thought of in 2013 that ended up not being done until 2017 and around the time of Twice Upon A Time, so ends up becoming a weird mishmash that we have to live with. Then you have recasts mingling with full original cast releases too, which opens up another can of worms, and therefore others lines in the sand.
I think the real issue here isn't the recasts as such, but rather the apparent reaction of some people. It's always good to be kind and diplomatic with these things.
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Post by muckypup on Mar 1, 2021 13:28:07 GMT
to me i have absolutely no problem with recasts....... i am not saying i am always happy with what we get, but john Pertwee is not the 3rd doctor, no more than Christian Bale is the batman they are just portraying that character for a certain period of time...... it is far more disrespectful to allow that character to be forgotten respectful recasts is the only way forward, Nah, Jon Pertwee IS the Third Doctor, I've believed that since 1971 and I'm not changing my mind now!
But Tim Treloar plays him splendidly and I'm so pleased BF took the plunge and recast my Doctor. By Vol 7 we'll have had more than two extra complete Third Doctor seasons (going by the 1970s 26 episode average) and how fabulous is that!
I don’t want to break your illusion, but pertwee only played him.......he’s not real.....hehehe
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