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Post by kurumais on May 27, 2017 0:57:43 GMT
my buddies and i are debating who is more popular in the world batman or superman?
thanks
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Post by elkawho on May 27, 2017 1:49:24 GMT
I don't think it's a question of country, but of personal taste. I know as many Bats fans as Supes fans.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 27, 2017 1:57:21 GMT
If we go by comics sales, Batman outsells Superman by a significant factor. Of course, comics are increasingly niche and the medium exists primarily to provide source material for the stuff that makes the real money.
I personally prefer Superman over Batman, but I suspect I'm in the minority.
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Post by fingersmash on May 27, 2017 3:41:58 GMT
I've always preferred Superman, however the overwhelming majority here in the US are Batman fans. See: literally every alternate universe story where SOOPERMAN EES EEEVIL BECUS HE'S SO POWREFULL
Everything you ever need to know about why Superman is the greatest superhero is in All Star Superman and I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Digi on May 27, 2017 3:45:47 GMT
Of course, comics are increasingly niche and the medium exists primarily to provide source material for the stuff that makes the real money. This is completely correct, but it still kind of breaks my brain to think about it. So many people know that the big comic companies are DC and Marvel--and yet the vast majority of single-issue publications do not exceed 50,000 units shipped, and most don't even come close to that. Meanwhile, the first Avengers film raked in $1.5 billion. I find that much of a contrast to be just staggering. |
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Post by omega on May 27, 2017 6:19:24 GMT
Batman as a property seems to develop more characters who can carry their own books, or at least have a presence, than Superman as a property. Two of the current Superman titles (Superwoman and New Superman) have sales figures down in the danger zone, which can't be said of Batman titles at the moment. There are also more. At the moment there's Batman, Detective Comics, All-Star Batman, Nightwing, Batgirl, Batwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws, as well as Batman being in Justice League, Justice League of America and Trinity, Dick being in Titans and Damien in Teen Titans. Not to mention Batman Beyond.
Meanwhile Superman has produced Superman, Action Comics, Supergirl, New Super-Man and Superwoman. Clark's in Justice League and Trinity as well. Out of these, only Superman, Action Comics and Justice League ship twice monthly.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 6:51:02 GMT
Leaving aside comic books, Batman is way more popular than Superman in the UK. People randomly turn up to events dressed as Batman and everyone thinks it's cool. Superman is a stuck up self-righteous prig who makes everyone feel inadequate. I can't remember any news articles about anyone dressing up as him.
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Post by Timelord007 on May 27, 2017 7:43:15 GMT
Batman, i love the emotional inner conflict of the character, the turmoil he endures & being just a billionaire with cool armour & weapons taking a stand fighting against crime is a brilliant concept.
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Post by sherlock on May 27, 2017 10:27:51 GMT
Leaving aside comic books, Batman is way more popular than Superman in the UK. People randomly turn up to events dressed as Batman and everyone thinks it's cool. Superman is a stuck up self-righteous prig who makes everyone feel inadequate. I can't remember any news articles about anyone dressing up as him. It's also that Superman is defined as standing up for 'Truth, Justice and the American way', which kind of makes him less appealing if you're not an American. Batman's raison-d'etre is far more universal, a man whose life was warped by tragedy and decided to do something to stop it happening to others. |
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Post by theotherjosh on May 27, 2017 11:37:34 GMT
Leaving aside comic books, Batman is way more popular than Superman in the UK. People randomly turn up to events dressed as Batman and everyone thinks it's cool. Superman is a stuck up self-righteous prig who makes everyone feel inadequate. I can't remember any news articles about anyone dressing up as him. The unspoken consensus around here seems to be that there is no wrong way to write the Doctor. I don’t think that’s true of Superman. There is a wrong way to approach the character and it really makes me sad that this has come to be the dominant portrayal of the character in the wider world, that of some dim-witted brute who thinks he can solve all his problems with heat vision and who will lecture you on your shortcomings at super-speed. He’s the hero who flies into the path of the Coldbringer, believing that it will kill him, but knowing he has to try, because otherwise, “Twenty million die by fire…if I am weak.” I liked him in All-Star Superman where Grant Morrison wrote: "'Superman' is an act. 'Clark Kent' in Metropolis is also an act. There are actually two Kents, at least – one is a disguise, a bumbling, awkward mask for Superman. The other is the confident, strong, good-hearted Clark Kent who was raised by his surrogate Ma and Pa in Kansas and knows how to drive a tractor. I think he's the most 'real' of all.” I really like Tyler Hoechlin as Superman when he occasionally pops up on Supergirl. I posted about him in the DC shows thread and I’ll copy/paste it here: I love this version of Superman. He's right up there with Christopher Reeve and All-Star Superman for the best portrayal. He sees your better angels with his x-ray eyes and he’ll move mountains to help you reach that potential. He has a kind word for everyone he meets. He's modest. He’s decent. He’s good, in a word. He’s not the superpowered thug or hectoring scold we sometimes get in other media. |
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Post by jasonward on May 27, 2017 12:03:12 GMT
In so much as I have any preference at all, Spiderman for me. DC/Marvel comic book characters have never been my think on any media, but when I was kid it was Spiderman cartoons vs cheesy Batman (Kapow, Wak) and Spiderman won hands down for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 13:05:39 GMT
I loved Spider-Man too, but Batman was the king for me because of the "cheesy' TV show! Everybody at school used to do the na-na na-na na-na ... theme. It was a big show for kids and I loved it. My love for Batman just grew after that, and I wasn't even a DC fan. There was just the Mighty Marvel ... and Batman. SuperMan was a nobody.
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Post by jasonward on May 27, 2017 13:08:34 GMT
I loved Spider-Man too, but Batman was the king for me because of the "cheesy' TV show! Everybody at school used to do the na-na na-na na-na ... theme. It was a big show for kids and I loved it. My love for Batman just grew after that, and I wasn't even a DC fan. There was just the Mighty Marvel ... and Batman. SuperMan was a nobody. I had no clue who Superman was until the first film, and even then I thought the character was created for the film, it was only years later that I found he was a comic book character. |
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Post by theotherjosh on May 27, 2017 13:19:15 GMT
I had no clue who Superman was until the first film, and even then I thought the character was created for the film, it was only years later that I found he was a comic book character. That's plain astonishing to me. I can't imagine someone in America saying something like that. I'd sooner believe them if they said they had never heard of the Statue of Liberty or the moon. Do you think the fact that you didn't know about Superman until the movie came out was more a function of time (in that Superman wasn't as ubiquitous in the 70s as he is today) or of place, as he is something of an iconic American character? |
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Post by jasonward on May 27, 2017 13:44:21 GMT
I had no clue who Superman was until the first film, and even then I thought the character was created for the film, it was only years later that I found he was a comic book character. That's plain astonishing to me. I can't imagine someone in America saying something like that. I'd sooner believe them if they said they had never heard of the Statue of Liberty or the moon. Do you think the fact that you didn't know about Superman until the movie came out was more a function of time (in that Superman wasn't as ubiquitous in the 70s as he is today) or of place, as he is something of an iconic American character? Well, Marvel and DC comics were something I never came across until the 80's and even then it was totally sub-culture stuff, when I happened across a "comic shop" and was bewildered to find that The Beano, Dandy were not what they were selling at all, of course, the name DC comics didn't help, as I assumed for the longest time that that meant "D. C. Thomson & Co" the publishers of The Beano etc. And then to top it all, the Marvel/DC comic style left me cold. I suspect being British and the lack of market penetration of those comics, having a family and friends with no interest in the Marvel/DC comic style, my own disinterest all combined lead to my long ignorance. |
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Post by muckypup on May 27, 2017 13:48:40 GMT
batman hand's down.....
could you imagine batman doing cheesy anti-smoking ads!!!!!
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Post by jasonward on May 27, 2017 13:51:13 GMT
lol, Batman is for me, forever cheese, the kapow/whak Batman is for THE Batman, all the others are imitators.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 27, 2017 13:59:25 GMT
batman hand's down..... could you imagine batman doing cheesy anti-smoking ads!!!!! Yeah, well, you'll never catch Superman doing the Batusi  |
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Post by theotherjosh on May 27, 2017 14:01:12 GMT
Well, Marvel and DC comics were something I never came across until the 80's and even then it was totally sub-culture stuff, when I happened across a "comic shop" and was bewildered to find that The Beano, Dandy were not what they were selling at all, of course, the name DC comics didn't help, as I assumed for the longest time that that meant "D. C. Thomson & Co" the publishers of The Beano etc. And then to top it all, the Marvel/DC comic style left me cold. I suspect being British and the lack of market penetration of those comics, having a family and friends with no interest in the Marvel/DC comic style, my own disinterest all combined lead to my long ignorance. Cool. Thanks very much for the reply. I always enjoy reading posts like this because I know so little of the subculture of that place and era. |
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Post by kimalysong on May 27, 2017 14:02:52 GMT
I always liked Batman more
I do enjoy Superman too but not the dark Superman that is in recent movies. He doesn't have to be cheesy but make him fun.
As for Superman being too American that doesn't seem right to me. Captain America is still plenty popular internationally.
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