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Post by mbt66 on Jun 4, 2017 10:58:45 GMT
When Nick Briggs took over as Producer at Big Finish one of the first things he did was end the Eighth Doctor and Charley run of stories in the monthly range.
Eddie Robson bought Charley back into the main range, this time with the Sixth Doctor. But only six stories later Nick wrote her out of the monthly range and wrote her out of the Sixth Doctor's memory!
He must have thought he'd seen the last of Charley Pollard.
But after many years away she once again came back back this time in her own range with stories written by Jonathan Barnes and Matt Fitton. So what happens next Nick says he will write the next set. Then following another long wait he puts Charley and the listener through hell and effectively kills off any chance her own range had for survival.
So why does Nick hate Charley?
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Post by jasonward on Jun 4, 2017 11:06:19 GMT
I don't think he hates her at all.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 4, 2017 11:13:25 GMT
I don't think he hates her I just don't think he gets what the general audience appreciate and want from her namely some proper closure with the Doctor, so he uses her to push the boundaries for the kind of Sci-Fi he likes knowing she's got a dedicated fan base.
Interestingly though in this weeks Podcast he refers to his "Still viewed as controversial Executive Discussion" to end the Erimem run.
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Post by omega on Jun 4, 2017 11:15:44 GMT
I think it's more that he's had a difficult time prioritising the second set of Charlotte Pollard, which makes sense with his very busy schedule. As for Charley and Eight parting, there had clearly been a lack of focus for the character since the start of the Divergent Universe arc, and some stories she was barely relevant at all. When she was written out of the Sixth Doctor's life, Big Finish obviously had plans for companions like Jamie and Evelyn to be with him, or India Fisher had other things going on in her life limiting her recording opportunities (was she pregnant at the time?).
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 4, 2017 11:19:19 GMT
He doesn't. I'm frankly surprised that the solo series was even allowed exist, and I happen to like it! She was done and that was that.
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Post by omega on Jun 4, 2017 11:22:51 GMT
He doesn't. I'm frankly surprised that the solo series was even allowed exist, and I happen to like it! She was done and that was that. Blue Forgotten Planet even ended on an ambiguity, {Spoiler}
where it wasn't stated directly if the Charley who sacrificed herself was the original Charley or Mila (who'd been infected with the mutogenic virus that made her a physical copy of Charley). While it's heavily hinted that the original Charley survived, it was still unclear before the announcement of the spin-off banished all doubts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 12:04:45 GMT
When she was written out of the Sixth Doctor's life, Big Finish obviously had plans for companions like Jamie and Evelyn to be with him, or India Fisher had other things going on in her life, limiting her recording opportunities (was she pregnant at the time?). My memory's a bit shoddy in that period, but I want to say yes...? I remember a podcast to that effect. Well, let's put it this way... C'riss and Erimem were both written out and that was that. Charley continued for a while longer with Sixie and had a really strong run of stories as a result. I think Charley's got quite a good deal in the transition from Gary Russell to Nick Briggs. |
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Post by sherlock on Jun 4, 2017 12:07:11 GMT
Don't think he does. Her leaving the eighth Doctor was part of him closing down some of the arcs of his predecessor as he was just becoming producer, same reason Erimem's time came to an end shortly after too. If anything it's a testament to him liking the character that she's one of the few characters that continued in some form-and the only one to get her own spin-off!
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 4, 2017 13:01:48 GMT
Sorry this was a very "tongue in cheek" thread.
I don't really think that Nick hates the character, however he has been involved in her two previous endings in the main range and her spin off series is at an end...for me at least.
Her spin-off (IMO) has been mishandled. I still maintain that she should have been returned to the 1930’s for her adventures. And those adventures should have been fun rather than depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 14:13:35 GMT
The Eight/Charley/C'rizz adventures were wound down for the 8DAs (we know that Paul felt the run had become stuck in a rut, and the change of format and introduction of Lucie gave it a shot in the arm). The Six/Charley adventures were actually extended after the pairing proved popular.
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Post by Digi on Jun 4, 2017 15:30:04 GMT
When she was written out of the Sixth Doctor's life, Big Finish obviously had plans for companions like Jamie and Evelyn to be with him, or India Fisher had other things going on in her life, limiting her recording opportunities ( was she pregnant at the time?).
Well, let's put it this way... C'riss and Erimem were both written out and that was that. Charley continued for a while longer with Sixie and had a really strong run of stories as a result. I think Charley's got quite a good deal in the transition from Gary Russell to Nick Briggs. It was definitely in the Charley series 2 bonus features (and may have been in the series 1 features). India Fisher was 9 months pregnant and 'ready to pop at any moment' during the recording of series 1. |
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Post by aztec on Jun 4, 2017 16:44:11 GMT
So why does Nick hate Charley? Because she stole the limelight from C'Rizz. {Spoiler}
...Terrible jokes aside, I'm rather fond of C'Rizz (especially his dry sense of humour) and Conrad Westmaas's performance...rather less keen on his bungled character arc and backstory but that's a discussion for a different thread. |
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Post by Ela on Jun 4, 2017 17:07:29 GMT
He doesn't. I'm frankly surprised that the solo series was even allowed exist, and I happen to like it! She was done and that was that. Blue Forgotten Planet even ended on an ambiguity, {Spoiler}
where it wasn't stated directly if the Charley who sacrificed herself was the original Charley or Mila (who'd been infected with the mutogenic virus that made her a physical copy of Charley). While it's heavily hinted that the original Charley survived, it was still unclear before the announcement of the spin-off banished all doubts. That wasn't ambiguous to me in the least. It was just a disappointing let-down type of ending. |
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Post by lidar on Jun 6, 2017 10:53:41 GMT
Her spin-off (IMO) has been mishandled. I still maintain that she should have been returned to the 1930’s for her adventures. And those adventures should have been fun rather than depressing. Agree 110% |
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Post by omega on Jun 6, 2017 11:11:12 GMT
Her spin-off (IMO) has been mishandled. I still maintain that she should have been returned to the 1930’s for her adventures. And those adventures should have been fun rather than depressing. Agree 110% I also agree. The best episode of the spin-off was Fall of the House of Pollard. Series 2 just didn't sit right with me, and the final story from that took me right out of it. I also have to question why Nick ended a box set three years in the making, and often delayed, on a cliffhanger. Considering it took him a couple of years to get around to writing the thing, it's baffling (and they had to recast a part to record when they did). Series 2 just wasn't a good fit for the character. |
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Post by muckypup on Jun 6, 2017 11:57:11 GMT
my understanding was that, once Nick took over from Gary the licence was still not assured going onwards and they took the decision to bring all major story arcs to a close just in case.
not sure how Hex Escaped the cull maybe it was because he was still a very new companion.....
but charley was given a stay of execution for travels with Sixie.
i do wish Nick would let charley go and have others write for her vol 2 was ok but nowhere near a good as vol 1, the series lost momentum & the good will being so long delayed.
but as to nick hating her....i think that is a long way from the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 12:07:45 GMT
I loved the Charley/Sixth Doctor run - arguably one of the most boldest, ambitious, out-of-the-box and daring decisions Big Finish has ever made and ONLY something they could and would have made possible due to the anthology nature of the Main Range - having a well-established Eighth Doctor companion transfer to the Sixth Doctor - rather than transferring due to their Doctor regenerating, the series felt like nothing Colin had been in before, those who like their Sixth Doctor stories firmly mid80s probably hate it, very contemporary.
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 16:46:21 GMT
I have to admit to not being a huge fan of Charley. I enjoyed the stories with her and Eight and Six well enough, felt the last story with Six was a very unsatisfying letdown, as I stated above, and have had no interest at all in the Charley spin-off sets.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jul 1, 2017 12:45:51 GMT
When Nick Briggs took over as Producer at Big Finish one of the first things he did was end the Eighth Doctor and Charley run of stories in the monthly range. Eddie Robson bought Charley back into the main range, this time with the Sixth Doctor. But only six stories later Nick wrote her out of the monthly range and wrote her out of the Sixth Doctor's memory! He must have thought he'd seen the last of Charley Pollard. But after many years away she once again came back back this time in her own range with stories written by Jonathan Barnes and Matt Fitton. So what happens next Nick says he will write the next set. Then following another long wait he puts Charley and the listener through hell and effectively kills off any chance her own range had for survival. So why does Nick hate Charley? you put the hammer to the nail in one swing right there. Get Nick as far from Charlie ad possible. |
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jul 1, 2017 12:48:45 GMT
Her spin-off (IMO) has been mishandled. I still maintain that she should have been returned to the 1930’s for her adventures. And those adventures should have been fun rather than depressing. Agree 110% exactly. |
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