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Post by escalus5 on Jul 1, 2017 18:14:01 GMT
we know that Paul felt the run had become stuck in a rut Do we? Source please?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jul 1, 2017 19:25:49 GMT
we know that Paul felt the run had become stuck in a rut Do we? Source please? it wasn't a rut, it was an awful divergent universe storyline.
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Post by aztec on Jul 1, 2017 19:34:36 GMT
it wasn't a rut, it was an awful divergent universe storyline. I like the majority of the DU stories when taken on their own individual merits, but the arc/backstory they were placed in wasn't executed very well and rather rushed, C'Rizz originally conceived to help guide them through the DU ironically only seemed to get a firm character when they returned to the main universe. McGann may or may not have felt the series had got stuck in a rut, but I think a longer arc in the DU and more planning would have ironed out many of the problems...though it may have put off alot of listeners... I'll always appreciate that BF decided to do something that bold with the character so early on, even if I have issues with the final product...
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 1, 2017 22:50:59 GMT
Her spin-off (IMO) has been mishandled. I still maintain that she should have been returned to the 1930’s for her adventures. And those adventures should have been fun rather than depressing. I think this too but whenever I go to be any more specific, I come up with 4 stories about Charley On Safari stumbling over a crumbling ancient pyramid full of the obligatory hibernating aliens. I think I like that the series continues to take us places that I didn't expect, and I think my complaints about pacing or continuity probably won't hold up to the range seemingly having taken on a more epic feel like the Eight Doctor stories. The rest of my small qualms about the range are probably offset simply by some understandable budget concerns. I can imagine some important corners being cut just for the range to come out full cast and not as Companion Chronicles, for example. Overall, I think it's probably quite brave of Big Finish to give any companion a series but especially one of their own innovations, and I like to think it suggests that Big Finish are rather fond of Charley, as I am. The Eight/Charley/C'rizz adventures were wound down for the 8DAs (we know that Paul felt the run had become stuck in a rut, and the change of format and introduction of Lucie gave it a shot in the arm). The Six/Charley adventures were actually extended after the pairing proved popular. I hope Paul doesn't really feel that way about things. Even if the DU stories get some mixed responses, I thought there were definitely some very good stories following. Other Lives and Memory Lane are two particular MR stories that I think very highly of. I'd probably think about that highly of Absolution too, had it not been devoted to the goal of closing out the run.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 3, 2017 20:24:40 GMT
In my own Head-canon all the Charley stories after Blue Forgotten Planet are Viyrain induced dreams to judge Charlotte Pollard's reaction. It would explain why they are always in them and always winning!
Hopefully in the future she will either escape or start to have better dreams.
I did wonder if you went down the dream route if you could have all sorts of different stories in different genres, but all with the same actors in them...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:51:39 GMT
Her spin-off (IMO) has been mishandled. I still maintain that she should have been returned to the 1930’s for her adventures. And those adventures should have been fun rather than depressing. I think this too but whenever I go to be any more specific, I come up with 4 stories about Charley On Safari stumbling over a crumbling ancient pyramid full of the obligatory hibernating aliens. I think I like that the series continues to take us places that I didn't expect, and I think my complaints about pacing or continuity probably won't hold up to the range seemingly having taken on a more epic feel like the Eight Doctor stories. The rest of my small qualms about the range are probably offset simply by some understandable budget concerns. I can imagine some important corners being cut just for the range to come out full cast and not as Companion Chronicles, for example. Overall, I think it's probably quite brave of Big Finish to give any companion a series but especially one of their own innovations, and I like to think it suggests that Big Finish are rather fond of Charley, as I am. The Eight/Charley/C'rizz adventures were wound down for the 8DAs (we know that Paul felt the run had become stuck in a rut, and the change of format and introduction of Lucie gave it a shot in the arm). The Six/Charley adventures were actually extended after the pairing proved popular. I hope Paul doesn't really feel that way about things. Even if the DU stories get some mixed responses, I thought there were definitely some very good stories following. Other Lives and Memory Lane are two particular MR stories that I think very highly of. I'd probably think about that highly of Absolution too, had it not been devoted to the goal of closing out the run. I'm in a similar place to you. I think it's like my reaction to a lot of Moffats Who. I initially dislike an episode because it didn't match my expectations, but on rewatching I find I enjoy them more, as opposed to RTD who, which I loved on first viewing, but find very ubfulfilling on second viewing. Charley 2 was jarring and unexpected, nut I guess life's like that. I'll reserve judgement until the story's over.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 3, 2017 22:51:11 GMT
If Nick hates the character of Charley Pollard he sure does a terrible job of showing it. Writing and directing two series, and a third commissioned, featuring that character in what has clearly been a labor of love for Nick & India isn't hatred or indifference. We can argue the respective merits of the stories but to suggest that Nick Briggs hates the character seems kind of ridiculous to me and, you know, not supported by any actual evidence.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 3, 2017 22:58:52 GMT
we know that Paul felt the run had become stuck in a rut Do we? Source please? I don't know that that is completely accurate. I seem to recall Nick saying, or at least implying, over the years that Paul may have felt the need for a shake-up in what they were doing with the 8th Doctor and that desire, and the rise of the revived series, lead to the Eighth Doctor Adventures range. Sorry. I can't go trawl through several years worth of podcasts to confirm or deny what I'm remembering. At the very least what cwm describes has been discussed before and he/she isn't pulling that recollection out of thin air.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 2:21:42 GMT
I don't know that that is completely accurate. I seem to recall Nick saying, or at least implying, over the years that Paul may have felt the need for a shake-up in what they were doing with the 8th Doctor and that desire, and the rise of the revived series, lead to the Eighth Doctor Adventures range. Sorry. I can't go trawl through several years worth of podcasts to confirm or deny what I'm remembering. At the very least what cwm describes has been discussed before and he/she isn't pulling that recollection out of thin air. It would more likely be in the interviews at the end of one of the stories. The Company of Friends? The Silver Turk? Blood of the Daleks? Dark Eyes 1? (Apparently they started after The Girl Who Never Was.)
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Post by escalus5 on Jul 8, 2017 16:49:33 GMT
I don't know that that is completely accurate. I seem to recall Nick saying, or at least implying, over the years that Paul may have felt the need for a shake-up in what they were doing with the 8th Doctor and that desire, and the rise of the revived series, lead to the Eighth Doctor Adventures range. Sorry. I can't go trawl through several years worth of podcasts to confirm or deny what I'm remembering. At the very least what cwm describes has been discussed before and he/she isn't pulling that recollection out of thin air. Sorry, but that claim pops up again and again and again on these forums and on Facebook, and whenever I ask for a source no one has an answer -- just vague stuff about "maybe it was in a podcast" or "maybe it was on the CD interviews." I believe it's a fan-concocted rumour and probably rubbish, unless someone can produce a source.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 8, 2017 17:15:27 GMT
I don't know that that is completely accurate. I seem to recall Nick saying, or at least implying, over the years that Paul may have felt the need for a shake-up in what they were doing with the 8th Doctor and that desire, and the rise of the revived series, lead to the Eighth Doctor Adventures range. Sorry. I can't go trawl through several years worth of podcasts to confirm or deny what I'm remembering. At the very least what cwm describes has been discussed before and he/she isn't pulling that recollection out of thin air. Sorry, but that claim pops up again and again and again on these forums and on Facebook, and whenever I ask for a source no one has an answer -- just vague stuff about "maybe it was in a podcast" or "maybe it was on the CD interviews." I believe it's a fan-concocted rumour and probably rubbish, unless someone can produce a source. That is of course your prerogative. I know it's been spoken of in the past, I just don't ha ve the time to find the specific podocast/interview/CD extra to show you. Have a great day.
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Post by glutamodo on Jul 8, 2017 18:35:52 GMT
I have to admit to not being a huge fan of Charley. I enjoyed the stories with her and Eight and Six well enough, felt the last story with Six was a very unsatisfying letdown, I understand the sentiment, however I knew that they do "something" to remove her tenure from Sixy's mind and they did exactly that... and the mechanism of it was fine with me. So while it was kind of "going out on a whimper" I very much think it was a necessary one, and I don't fault BF for it.
And spinoff series has played fine by me so far.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 8, 2017 19:13:38 GMT
She blanked him in Nando's.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 8, 2017 20:14:52 GMT
I don't know that that is completely accurate. I seem to recall Nick saying, or at least implying, over the years that Paul may have felt the need for a shake-up in what they were doing with the 8th Doctor and that desire, and the rise of the revived series, lead to the Eighth Doctor Adventures range. Sorry. I can't go trawl through several years worth of podcasts to confirm or deny what I'm remembering. At the very least what cwm describes has been discussed before and he/she isn't pulling that recollection out of thin air. Sorry, but that claim pops up again and again and again on these forums and on Facebook, and whenever I ask for a source no one has an answer -- just vague stuff about "maybe it was in a podcast" or "maybe it was on the CD interviews." I believe it's a fan-concocted rumour and probably rubbish, unless someone can produce a source. I seem to remember this story coming up in a DWM at some point, might have been their preview for the first Dark Eyes. I could be mis-remembering and this is just a rumour.
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Post by Ela on Jul 9, 2017 7:46:51 GMT
I have to admit to not being a huge fan of Charley. I enjoyed the stories with her and Eight and Six well enough, felt the last story with Six was a very unsatisfying letdown, I understand the sentiment, however I knew that they do "something" to remove her tenure from Sixy's mind and they did exactly that... and the mechanism of it was fine with me. So while it was kind of "going out on a whimper" I very much think it was a necessary one, and I don't fault BF for it.
And spinoff series has played fine by me so far.
Does this have to be a spoiler? I'll spoil it just in case: {Spoiler}I don't like that he spent more time with the "fake" Charley than the real one, and doesn't get a proper good-bye. It's not the blanking his mind part that bothers me, as I understand why that would have to happen. Glad you enjoyed the spin-off. I'm still not interested. Maybe if I run out of other things to buy or if it goes on super discount, but for now, I'd rather spend my money on other releases.
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Post by bobod on Jul 10, 2017 12:21:43 GMT
Sorry, but that claim pops up again and again and again on these forums and on Facebook, and whenever I ask for a source no one has an answer -- just vague stuff about "maybe it was in a podcast" or "maybe it was on the CD interviews." I believe it's a fan-concocted rumour and probably rubbish, unless someone can produce a source. That is of course your prerogative. I know it's been spoken of in the past, I just don't have the time to find the specific podocast/interview/CD extra to show you. Have a great day. Likewise since I know I've heard this on public BF output (but can't pinpoint where it was) and I know I've personally been told it face-to-face by the people involved, I'm happy enough that I know it to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:45:45 GMT
That is of course your prerogative. I know it's been spoken of in the past, I just don't have the time to find the specific podocast/interview/CD extra to show you. Have a great day. Likewise since I know I've heard this on public BF output (but can't pinpoint where it was) and I know I've personally been told it face-to-face by the people involved, I'm happy enough that I know it to be true. Kind of hard to trump "Paul and Nick told me personally". Everyone, bobod is now our source (but who is the Keeper?)
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Post by bobod on Jul 10, 2017 13:41:28 GMT
Likewise since I know I've heard this on public BF output (but can't pinpoint where it was) and I know I've personally been told it face-to-face by the people involved, I'm happy enough that I know it to be true. Kind of hard to trump "Paul and Nick told me personally". Everyone, bobod is now our source (but who is the Keeper?) Well I didn't quite mean it like that. More just a 'I know it to be true *and no secret*' - but then if you don't know me, I'm not sure that actually helps.
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Post by kimalysong on Jul 10, 2017 14:29:44 GMT
If someone says they heard something from a Big Finish source on here I would hope we would trust them without making them dig through years of podcasts. I think it's a bit different if some random person told me than I recall hearing this myself. And I do generally trust our members on here. But everyone is free to believe what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:49:52 GMT
Well, I don't have all of the contacts that Bobod has, but his recollection re BF public output is the same as mine, and obviously others here. I am certain that the Paul McGann thing is something that was said by Nick Briggs at some stage, either on the old BF forums, CD extras, Vortex mail replies or in a podcast, but I couldn't put a time, date, link or actual source to it. So yes, I suppose to people new(ish) to Big Fnish it could come across as a fan-concocted rumour.
Of course, Nick could also have lied... and we have all propagated #fakenews!
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