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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 23, 2017 22:30:54 GMT
Thoughts everyone?
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Post by Star Platinum on Aug 24, 2017 0:53:40 GMT
Currently listening to episode 4, 1 & 3 were great, but wish they hadn't gone the route they did with butterworth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 12:36:16 GMT
The ....'Whaaaaat'! is starting to get on my nerves. Plus, I'm sure I'm dense or have missed something, but despite listening 3 times I'm confused over Kate Butterworth. Was she actually No.2 in London or someone else ? I'm thrown when the barmaid comes to her front door and says it'll soon be over  |
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Post by Reluctant Villager on Aug 25, 2017 15:56:21 GMT
I think the implication is that Kate Butterworth has been through the Seltzman process and the new Number Two is someone else using her body. This goes right back to episode 1 of the first volume where Janet seems to have been body-swapped too. I guess this will become a major theme (expect to hear another actor or actress doing the "Whaaaaat" thing when NB gets round to adapting Do Not Forsake Me O My Darling and Six goes through the process himself.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 26, 2017 14:01:32 GMT
Cds came in the post today. Nick's notes for CD 1 are rather spoilery - be warned!
Unusual for sleeve notes to be spoilery BF are normally more careful about thobgs like that.
Haven't listened yet
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 17:08:35 GMT
I think the implication is that Kate Butterworth has been through the Seltzman process and the new Number Two is someone else using her body. This goes right back to episode 1 of the first volume where Janet seems to have been body-swapped too. I guess this will become a major theme (expect to hear another actor or actress doing the "Whaaaaat" thing when NB gets round to adapting Do Not Forsake Me O My Darling and Six goes through the process himself. Was the Seltzman process mentioned in Vol 1 ? It's been so long since I listened to it that I can't remember. If not, then how are listeners not familiar with the original TV series supposed to tie that in with Butterworth ? |
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Post by cr1980 on Aug 28, 2017 7:27:30 GMT
Hmm. Having seen only a couple of fragments of The Prisoner on TV, I just googled "The Prisoner" and "Seltzman", and, ah, that's interesting.
I'd noticed the name being dropped in the opening story of the first set, where Six met Janet, and even without the word meaning anything it was obvious that Six had decided there was something very wrong with her, so I don't think knowing about Seltzman on TV changes much about how the story works (and it might anyway be a red herring tossed at the fans by Briggs).
There are multiple ways Butterworth could have morphed in Number 2: mind swap, plastic surgery, cloning, hypnosis, etc. I think it's clear, though, that the personality we see in episode 2.1 is real (at least at the time) and doesn't survive the story intact. In the extras Nick Briggs explains something about this to the actors but his words are bleeped out...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 14:14:20 GMT
In the extras Nick Briggs explains something about this to the actors but his words are bleeped out... Never ever to be revealed apparently ! |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 28, 2017 18:01:02 GMT
I'm thinking this is one series that every time a new set comes out it would be a smart idea to go back and listen to everything from start to finish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 18:10:28 GMT
I'm thinking this is one series that every time a new set comes out it would be a smart idea to go back and listen to everything from start to finish. A good excuse to go back to the beginning again! The irregularity of these sets certainly gives us plenty of time to indulge.  |
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Post by elkawho on Aug 29, 2017 14:20:12 GMT
Hmm. Having seen only a couple of fragments of The Prisoner on TV, I just googled "The Prisoner" and "Seltzman", and, ah, that's interesting. I'd noticed the name being dropped in the opening story of the first set, where Six met Janet, and even without the word meaning anything it was obvious that Six had decided there was something very wrong with her, so I don't think knowing about Seltzman on TV changes much about how the story works (and it might anyway be a red herring tossed at the fans by Briggs). There are multiple ways Butterworth could have morphed in Number 2: mind swap, plastic surgery, cloning, hypnosis, etc. I think it's clear, though, that the personality we see in episode 2.1 is real (at least at the time) and doesn't survive the story intact. In the extras Nick Briggs explains something about this to the actors but his words are bleeped out... Thanks for all this discussion. Boy, was I confused! I thought I missed something very important, but I couldn't figure out what it was. I think that it can't get any stranger, and then it does. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:45:38 GMT
I think the Butterworth issue is a big point and really needs an explanation further down the line. If it isn't explained it's pretty poor writing, leaving that open is confusing, even for the Prisoner.
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Post by nitronine on Aug 30, 2017 23:17:18 GMT
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Post by chapwithwings on Aug 31, 2017 19:05:00 GMT
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Post by nottenst on Sept 6, 2017 22:10:19 GMT
Hmm. Having seen only a couple of fragments of The Prisoner on TV, I just googled "The Prisoner" and "Seltzman", and, ah, that's interesting. I'd noticed the name being dropped in the opening story of the first set, where Six met Janet, and even without the word meaning anything it was obvious that Six had decided there was something very wrong with her, so I don't think knowing about Seltzman on TV changes much about how the story works (and it might anyway be a red herring tossed at the fans by Briggs). There are multiple ways Butterworth could have morphed in Number 2: mind swap, plastic surgery, cloning, hypnosis, etc. I think it's clear, though, that the personality we see in episode 2.1 is real (at least at the time) and doesn't survive the story intact. In the extras Nick Briggs explains something about this to the actors but his words are bleeped out... Just finished I Met a Man Today and was wondering about what happened to Butterworth. Too bad Nick doesn't explain more in the extras. It was quite a good episode. The lady from the pub obviously did something to her. Meanwhile, some people with the company are working with the village and some don't appear to be. It seemed to be definite confusion from Control that they lost contact. I am looking forward to the rest of the set. I really need to watch the original series another time, but I will resist. Once Nick feels he is done with his version of the series I hope he tells us his interpretation of some of the unanswered questions he presents, but somehow I doubt that will happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 21:03:54 GMT
I Met a Man Today
You can listen to a few average audios in a row and think you might be suffering from a kind of Big Finish burnout, and feel the need to take a break.
Then, as in the case of the latest Third Docor stories and this, you wonder how much these releases enrich your life. I mean, this is just brilliant. Just as strange and hallucinatory as the first volume, just as mystifying and compelling and beautifully acted and scored. It's an absolute joy, this, and I say that as someone who has (still) never seen the original television show. To me, broken, angry, sardonic Mark Elstob's performance IS Number 6 - and once again, he goes through the mill here. Lucy Briggs-Owen, who was so good in The Avengers, is terrific here - we don't know whether we can trust her, whether she can trust Number 6 - but the suspicious tones of Helen Goldwyn's inquisitive barmaid mke me think they are both being 'played.'
This is only story one, and alread I'm pretty sure this is upto the same standard as the first set. In fact, it may even go further 'out there' - which is fine with me. Let's have some information on volume three soon please.
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Post by nottenst on Sept 12, 2017 14:03:09 GMT
Finished the set. Seltzman was a definite loose end theme running through the set. I'm sure it will be more involved in Volume 3.
Living in Harmony was an interesting twist (originally a western and only the name was used "not adapted from the TV episode of the same title"). Did they really go to the Moon? It nominally takes 3 days to get there and 3 days to get back on a minimum trajectory, though using a ton of fuel might do it faster.
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Post by nottenst on Sept 13, 2017 22:52:56 GMT
Listened to the extended extras download. This is just 16 minutes of material that couldn't fit on the Behind the Scenes CD. It is mostly a random set of fun stuff with some thought from Nick Briggs sprinkled through. You should listen to it after the regular Behind the Scenes material.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 14, 2017 12:16:35 GMT
The ....'Whaaaaat'! is starting to get on my nerves. Agreed But otherwise I liked it |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 14, 2017 12:18:54 GMT
I think the implication is that Kate Butterworth has been through the Seltzman process and the new Number Two is someone else using her body. This goes right back to episode 1 of the first volume where Janet seems to have been body-swapped too. I guess this will become a major theme (expect to hear another actor or actress doing the "Whaaaaat" thing when NB gets round to adapting Do Not Forsake Me O My Darling and Six goes through the process himself. Never thought of Selzmann. I was working on the assumption that, like the TV show, the only way to make sense of it was to assume no continuity between episodes. |
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