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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 14, 2017 18:54:49 GMT
"Warriors of the Deep was better with the continuity errors."
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Post by The Matt on Oct 14, 2017 21:13:14 GMT
Personally I find Ian Levine a thoroughly unpleasant individual, and a walking example of the very worst that fandom has to offer. That said, I find this kind of thread mean spirited and unnecessary, and frankly the kind of thing that Ian Levine himself would do, only with far less swearing attached. You don't show yourself better than someone by sinking to their level. Just my opinion, anyway. I had a similar reaction when I first saw this thread, but now I think it's all in good fun. It seems like laughing with Ian Levine rather than laughing at him. Would you be laughing if people wrote this stuff about you on the internet? You're not remotely laughing with him and 100% laughing at him. You're lying to yourselves if you think otherwise |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 14, 2017 21:21:18 GMT
I had a similar reaction when I first saw this thread, but now I think it's all in good fun. It seems like laughing with Ian Levine rather than laughing at him. Would you be laughing if people wrote this stuff about you on the internet? You're not remotely laughing with him and 100% laughing at him. You're lying to yourselves if you think otherwise Honestly, I don't think anyone has said anything that bad that resembles bullying. Nothing worse than the controversial stuff Ian Levine has said himself, many of his remarks which have been disgusting and he has no excuse for. If these celebrities get into the public eye, they have to expect some ribbing. It's no different to if somebody started a thread called 'Let's make Katie Hopkins angry', or any other celebs who spout awful things. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 14, 2017 22:16:52 GMT
''Philip Morris discovered The Daleks.''
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Post by Star Platinum on Oct 14, 2017 23:49:37 GMT
I wish he hadn’t recovered any episodes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 5:03:41 GMT
Yeah... Respect due to those here, but colour me in the "bad idea" camp... I'm not a fan of the man, nor his attitude towards others, but this seems a bit too easy to court disaster. Not just through insulting Levine's opinions, but using him as a springboard to attack other things. A little grumbling here and there I can understand, but to set up a dedicated thread for the idea... Surely the time spent here could be put to better use praising people who are actually trying to build things up, rather than actively tearing them down? I'd much prefer to read about people singing the praises of others for what they've accomplished with beloved shows from Who to Captain Scarlet to Sherlock Holmes.
I really can't see the point in giving his opinions voice just to deride them. If anything, it just gives him free publicity. I've learnt half a dozen things about what the man thinks that I wouldn't have otherwise through this thread. Unfortunately. It also attracts predators who won't give a damn whether it's satire or slander, I thought we were trying very hard to avoid that. There are better ways to have fun than taking a swing at the more unfortunate aspects of fandom, I'll just say that. I like to think that people here are better and have the capacity to be kinder than that. There's enough nastiness on the internet and in the world in general without making more of it for what might appear to be a justifiable cause.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 8:22:23 GMT
This is a slightly mean-spirited thread. And COULD be considered bullying. Lavine as best we know doesn't visit these parts, so cannot be bullied by us. But far more important I feel, he is a public figure who makes public statements about Who, Who fandom and disabled children, he is ripe for lampooning. If people here stray onto attacking his weight, race, disabilities he may have, etc, then that not good, but the rest, that's fine. It's still technically abuse and bullying. Also, mean, too. Have to admit I completely disagree with the ethics of this thread by all accounts. |
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Post by jasonward on Oct 15, 2017 8:32:39 GMT
Lavine as best we know doesn't visit these parts, so cannot be bullied by us. But far more important I feel, he is a public figure who makes public statements about Who, Who fandom and disabled children, he is ripe for lampooning. If people here stray onto attacking his weight, race, disabilities he may have, etc, then that not good, but the rest, that's fine. It's still technically abuse and bullying. Also, mean, too. Have to admit I completely disagree with the ethics of this thread by all accounts. Whilst I have no argument about how you feel about the thread, I do disagree that it's bullying, technically or otherwise. Google and oxforddictionaries.com : use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something. Dictionary.com : to act the bully toward; intimidate; domineer. merriam-webster.com : abuse and mistreatment of someone vulnerable by someone stronger, more powerful, etc. This thread just doesn't fall into those definitions. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 8:32:41 GMT
Personally I find Ian Levine a thoroughly unpleasant individual, and a walking example of the very worst that fandom has to offer. That said, I find this kind of thread mean spirited and unnecessary, and frankly the kind of thing that Ian Levine himself would do, only with far less swearing attached. You don't show yourself better than someone by sinking to their level. Just my opinion, anyway. Difference being, this is in good humour and not meant to be taken seriously in any capacity. Just once more, from the OP: (No fat or unnessecarily nasty jokes, of course)Ian believes he's basically Who-God. I think some level of satire is not only permissible, but healthy. You can call it by whatever name you like, but this is an attack thread, pure and simple. It's sole purpose being to mock and ridicule. And personally I find it a bit petty, and beneath what I thought this board was all about. Commenting on and/or deriding Levine as part of a regular thread in reaction to something he has said or done is one thing, and fair play, but to create a specific thread for no other purpose than insult and ridicule is quite another to my mind. I have a great personal dislike of Ian Levine, and my unease is less specifically about him, and more about what this kind of thread represents. And personally, I just think any threads like this ultimately reflect more poorly on the forum that permits them than they do on the individual being targeted. I am also forced to wonder how long a similar thread that was aimed at Nick Briggs or Stephen Moffat or Russell T. Davies would last. How about divisive figures like John Nathan-Turner, Eric Saward or Pip and Jane Baker? Or less widespread populist Doctors like Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy, or less favoured companions like Matthew Waterhouse and Bonnie Langford? Already controversial new show runner Chris Chibnall and new Doctor Jodie Whitaker? Where do you draw the line once you start down such a path? And why is it okay to mock and ridicule one person that some people may not like or respect, and not some others? It seems a very slippery slope to me. And full of potential headaches. That said, not my board, not my rules, not my call. And having given my view, which isn't intended to insult or offend anyone involved (and if I have worded it poorly and it comes across that way I apologise in advance), I'll head on out, say no more on it, and leave you all in peace to do as you will. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 15, 2017 8:54:05 GMT
The easy way to solve this would be to ask Ian Levine if he thinks this thread is fair and laughing with him rather than at. If he thinks it's bullying then it should be deleted.
Up to the mods if they want to do that though.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 15, 2017 9:31:36 GMT
While Mr Levine is a controversial figure, nobody deserves a thread dedicated - goodnaturedly or not - to thinking of things that will upset them. Like a broken fridge, it isn't cool.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 15, 2017 9:53:06 GMT
Difference being, this is in good humour and not meant to be taken seriously in any capacity. Just once more, from the OP: (No fat or unnessecarily nasty jokes, of course)Ian believes he's basically Who-God. I think some level of satire is not only permissible, but healthy. You can call it by whatever name you like, but this is an attack thread, pure and simple. It's sole purpose being to mock and ridicule. And personally I find it a bit petty, and beneath what I thought this board was all about. Commenting on and/or deriding Levine as part of a regular thread in reaction to something he has said or done is one thing, and fair play, but to create a specific thread for no other purpose than insult and ridicule is quite another to my mind. I have a great personal dislike of Ian Levine, and my unease is less specifically about him, and more about what this kind of thread represents. And personally, I just think any threads like this ultimately reflect more poorly on the forum that permits them than they do on the individual being targeted. I am also forced to wonder how long a similar thread that was aimed at Nick Briggs or Stephen Moffat or Russell T. Davies would last. How about divisive figures like John Nathan-Turner, Eric Saward or Pip and Jane Baker? Or less widespread populist Doctors like Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy, or less favoured companions like Matthew Waterhouse and Bonnie Langford? Already controversial new show runner Chris Chibnall and new Doctor Jodie Whitaker? Where do you draw the line once you start down such a path? And why is it okay to mock and ridicule one person that some people may not like or respect, and not some others? It seems a very slippery slope to me. And full of potential headaches. That said, not my board, not my rules, not my call. And having given my view, which isn't intended to insult or offend anyone involved (and if I have worded it poorly and it comes across that way I apologise in advance), I'll head on out, say no more on it, and leave you all in peace to do as you will. Well I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my argument. If the mods wish to discuss thread suitability, then by all means please do so. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 15, 2017 9:59:06 GMT
Lavine as best we know doesn't visit these parts, so cannot be bullied by us. But far more important I feel, he is a public figure who makes public statements about Who, Who fandom and disabled children, he is ripe for lampooning. If people here stray onto attacking his weight, race, disabilities he may have, etc, then that not good, but the rest, that's fine. It's still technically abuse and bullying. Also, mean, too. Have to admit I completely disagree with the ethics of this thread by all accounts. As said, I'm sorry you view it as such, despite my OP making it clear that this is not an excuse for slander. However, I stand by my statements. Plus, I find it odd that complaints have come from people who have made jokes about Moffat or Gatiss or Russell or Chibnall before. By your own logic, that's bullying despite clearly not being anything other than jest. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 10:39:43 GMT
It's still technically abuse and bullying. Also, mean, too. Have to admit I completely disagree with the ethics of this thread by all accounts. As said, I'm sorry you view it as such, despite my OP making it clear that this is not an excuse for slander. However, I stand by my statements. Plus, I find it odd that complaints have come from people who have made jokes about Moffat or Gatiss or Russell or Chibnall before. By your own logic, that's bullying despite clearly not being anything other than jest. Well... Me personally, I've always tried to give creatives the benefit of the doubt. Becoming a creative, I know it's not easy. And I believe the rationale here is that we don't let it happen to our worst, so it cannot happen to our best. I'm not going to lob any accusations, that's a road that will lead us very quickly to nowhere. I'm clever, sure, but omniscient, never. I don't know the wider aspects of your existence, nor could I ever really grasp all of it, I expect. I have no right to demand any personal change from you. I'm just a forumgoer, a series of words from a human being connected to the wider world through an electronic apparatus. I'll just reiterate that, in my opinion, I don't think this exercise in building a strawman is really worth it. |
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Post by The Matt on Oct 15, 2017 11:09:09 GMT
The easy way to solve this would be to ask Ian Levine if he thinks this thread is fair and laughing with him rather than at. If he thinks it's bullying then it should be deleted. Up to the mods if they want to do that though. Are you being serious? Wow!! if someone set up a whole thread for strangers to generally lay the boot in to you and someone pointed it out then how would you take it? Would it be " normally that'd be really hurtful but seeing as how Nucleusofswarmv2 said it's only satire then please, carry on the unnecessary attack on my character" i think not |
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Post by The Matt on Oct 15, 2017 11:10:53 GMT
As said, I'm sorry you view it as such, despite my OP making it clear that this is not an excuse for slander. However, I stand by my statements. Plus, I find it odd that complaints have come from people who have made jokes about Moffat or Gatiss or Russell or Chibnall before. By your own logic, that's bullying despite clearly not being anything other than jest. Well... Me personally, I've always tried to give creatives the benefit of the doubt. Becoming a creative, I know it's not easy. And I believe the rationale here is that we don't let it happen to our worst, so it cannot happen to our best. I'm not going to lob any accusations, that's a road that will lead us very quickly to nowhere. I'm clever, sure, but omniscient, never. I don't know the wider aspects of your existence, nor could I ever really grasp all of it, I expect. I have no right to demand any personal change from you. I'm just a forumgoer, a series of words from a human being connected to the wider world through an electronic apparatus. I'll just reiterate that, in my opinion, I don't think this exercise in building a strawman is really worth it. Wow, nice bit of unnecessary self-aggrandising there   |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 15, 2017 11:14:09 GMT
As said, I'm sorry you view it as such, despite my OP making it clear that this is not an excuse for slander. However, I stand by my statements. Plus, I find it odd that complaints have come from people who have made jokes about Moffat or Gatiss or Russell or Chibnall before. By your own logic, that's bullying despite clearly not being anything other than jest. Well... Me personally, I've always tried to give creatives the benefit of the doubt. Becoming a creative, I know it's not easy. And I believe the rationale here is that we don't let it happen to our worst, so it cannot happen to our best. I'm not going to lob any accusations, that's a road that will lead us very quickly to nowhere. I'm clever, sure, but omniscient, never. I don't know the wider aspects of your existence, nor could I ever really grasp all of it, I expect. I have no right to demand any personal change from you. I'm just a forumgoer, a series of words from a human being connected to the wider world through an electronic apparatus. I'll just reiterate that, in my opinion, I don't think this exercise in building a strawman is really worth it. Give Ian Levine a link to this thread and see what he thinks. If it's bullying I for one will apologise and delete my posts if the thread itself isn't. I don't believe in bullying and would hate to think that's what I'm doing in here. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 15, 2017 11:14:46 GMT
The easy way to solve this would be to ask Ian Levine if he thinks this thread is fair and laughing with him rather than at. If he thinks it's bullying then it should be deleted. Up to the mods if they want to do that though. Are you being serious? Wow!! if someone set up a whole thread for strangers to generally lay the boot in to you and someone pointed it out then how would you take it? Would it be " normally that'd be really hurtful but seeing as how Nucleusofswarmv2 said it's only satire then please, carry on the unnecessary attack on my character" i think not I would say that it is just friendly banter. |
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Post by The Matt on Oct 15, 2017 11:17:37 GMT
Course you would, course you would, despite the fact that everyone saying it isn't remotely your friend in any way.
hey nucleusoftheswarmv2, can you set up a thread for us all to attack Dalekbuster? Apparently he'd love it as it's just bantz
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 15, 2017 11:20:20 GMT
Course you would, course you would, despite the fact that everyone saying it isn't remotely your friend in any way. hey nucleusoftheswarmv2, can you set up a thread for us all to attack Dalekbuster? Apparently he'd love it as it's just bantz If you feel that strongly, get the mods to send Ian Levine a link to this thread and then if it is bullying I'll hold my hands up, apologise and delete my posts in here. |
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