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Post by omega on Nov 4, 2017 23:18:13 GMT
And the finest soap opera parody is All My Circuits from Futurama. It skewers nearly every soap trope there is. If you're going to parody long length media, it has to be long length itself. Otherwise you get an overfull plot that only has time to develop a couple of threads introduced. I don't think this was a soap opera parody at all. It didn't play with any of the tropes of soap, really, so I'm not sure that's what they were trying to do and it's not there in the film. It was a comic version of the show, sure, but more of the show's concept than soap as a genre. It's almost more a take on the House Of Dark Shadows movie than the show I'd say since it hits the same beats as that. And besides the best soap parody is "Soap" itself. One of the shows bobod loves the most, I think. Burton was definitely sending up things soap operas did, like Carolyn's lycanthropy being an out of nowhere twist and Julia opening her eyes at the end as a hook for future storylines.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 23:27:22 GMT
I don't think this was a soap opera parody at all. It didn't play with any of the tropes of soap, really, so I'm not sure that's what they were trying to do and it's not there in the film. It was a comic version of the show, sure, but more of the show's concept than soap as a genre. It's almost more a take on the House Of Dark Shadows movie than the show I'd say since it hits the same beats as that. And besides the best soap parody is "Soap" itself. One of the shows bobod loves the most, I think. Burton was definitely sending up things soap operas did, like Carolyn's lycanthropy being an out of nowhere twist and Julia opening her eyes at the end as a hook for future storylines. There's a million and one genre movies that end with a twist that a villain's not really dead, especially horror - more so than soaps I'd say and a million more with revelations badly plotted and ill conceived. It's a stretch to call either of those parodies of soap opera specifically, I think. If there was something more specific to DS - rubber bats or flubbed lines spring to mind - I'd see more a direct parody of the show itself. Again, I think that they were playing with the conceit of the show more than the soap genre. Soaps have twists and set up future plots....but so do movies, books, comics, dramas.....the movie parodied little to nothing specific to soaps.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 5, 2017 9:23:08 GMT
Well the reason i was reluctant to listen to the Big Finish audios was because i didn't enjoy the film i don't think they knew what tone to go with so the film feels disjointed, thankfully Davy Gallagher recommended to me "give em a go Timelord" & i brought Dark Shadows Bloodlust & it was simply superb & scary entertainment with a completely different tone to the Burton movie. I brought a lot more Dark Shadows from Big Finish ever since, my wallet has never stopped cursing Davy Lol.
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Post by rran on Nov 5, 2017 9:26:33 GMT
I was about to watch this movie. Reading this thread is giving me second thoughts.
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Post by rran on Nov 5, 2017 9:28:43 GMT
Well the reason i was reluctant to listen to the Big Finish audios was because i didn't enjoy the film i don't think they knew what tone to go with so the film feels disjointed, thankfully Davy Gallagher recommended to me "give em a go Timelord" & i brought Dark Shadows Bloodlust & it was simply superb & scary entertainment with a completely different tone to the Burton movie. I brought a lot more Dark Shadows from Big Finish ever since, my wallet has never stopped cursing Davy Lol. I too started with Bloodlust. And I was super impressed. I then decided to buy the others as well, courtesy some motivation from omega
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Post by omega on Nov 5, 2017 9:31:19 GMT
I was about to watch this movie. Reading this thread is giving me second thoughts. Get some alcohol and look for a drinking game. It should make the movie a lot more tolerable. Eva Green shows the Power of Boobs.
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Post by omega on Nov 5, 2017 9:32:12 GMT
Well the reason i was reluctant to listen to the Big Finish audios was because i didn't enjoy the film i don't think they knew what tone to go with so the film feels disjointed, thankfully Davy Gallagher recommended to me "give em a go Timelord" & i brought Dark Shadows Bloodlust & it was simply superb & scary entertainment with a completely different tone to the Burton movie. I brought a lot more Dark Shadows from Big Finish ever since, my wallet has never stopped cursing Davy Lol. I too started with Bloodlust. And I was super impressed. I then decided to buy the others as well, courtesy some motivation from omega You're welcome. It's a wealth of fascinating stories and characters who you become invested in.
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Post by rran on Nov 5, 2017 9:35:19 GMT
I was about to watch this movie. Reading this thread is giving me second thoughts. Get some alcohol and look for a drinking game. It should make the movie a lot more tolerable. Eva Green shows the Power of Boobs. Time is one thing that is always limited. So I might as well invest it in something better.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 5, 2017 10:34:07 GMT
Well the reason i was reluctant to listen to the Big Finish audios was because i didn't enjoy the film i don't think they knew what tone to go with so the film feels disjointed, thankfully Davy Gallagher recommended to me "give em a go Timelord" & i brought Dark Shadows Bloodlust & it was simply superb & scary entertainment with a completely different tone to the Burton movie. I brought a lot more Dark Shadows from Big Finish ever since, my wallet has never stopped cursing Davy Lol. You should check out 'The Devil Cat' with Sarah Sutton! She's brilliant in that! Tim.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 5, 2017 11:20:44 GMT
I was about to watch this movie. Reading this thread is giving me second thoughts. Its not awful its just nothing like the TV show or the BF audios
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Post by rran on Nov 5, 2017 14:37:41 GMT
I was about to watch this movie. Reading this thread is giving me second thoughts. Its not awful its just nothing like the TV show or the BF audios
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mark687
True. I guess the audios have spoilt us and set very high expectations
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Post by maverick on Nov 13, 2017 0:50:08 GMT
In 2012, Tim Burton's re-imagining of Dark Shadows, starring Johnny Depp, was released in movie theatres. However it got at best a lukewarm reception. Why? I think I have a few ideas. 1) The tone. It's inconsistent, but largely played for comedy, with a big helping of sending up the soap opera format. The problem is that with parodies a knowledge of the source material often helps a huge deal. This film is based on a cult classic that only received wide-spread availability that year, and at a pretty big price tag (still fantastic value for money considering how much content there is). If you're making a film that draws inspiration from a cult classic, you should at least try to capture the spirit (pun unintended) of the original, since that's going to be the target audience. 2) The plot. There are just too many threads that get mentioned by never followed up on or resolved, or that developed. You could drop the Maggie Evans bit from Vicki's character and it wouldn't change a thing. Vicki's past and interactions with Josette's ghost would have been interesting, but beyond the flashback sequence and the two time Josette leads Vicki to watch her fall from the chandelier it never becomes relevant. I think a better approach should have been spending the first half hour with how Barnabas became a vampire etc (including him never having feelings for Angelique, thus making him a more sympathetic character), then following him into the present. Cut out Roger, since he did nothing for the movie. Vicki has been there a few days already and has taken on the Victoria Winters alias because Julia Hoffman was one of her doctors at Windcliff. Throughout the film we see characters walk in on David seemingly talking to himself, him thinking he's talking to his mother (which foreshadows Laura's ghost appearing at the end). Angelique's spirit has reincarnated in Elizabeth, who has secretly been undermining the company. 3) The characters. No one actually develops as a character, nor are they compellingly written. The Barnabas/Vicki relationship is incredibly unconvincing, they meet at breakfast, spend a montage or two on the beach and suddenly they're both enamoured with each other. Probably the most sympathetic Carolyn gets is that she has two times of the month. Roger? He buggers off halfway through, leaving no impact on the plot whatsoever. I've mentioned Victoria Winters already. Angelique's main strategy is the Power of Boobs. While I only know Dark Shadows from the Big Finish audios, I don't think Barnbas in the movie is exactly portrayed as an innocent. He VERY much lead Angelique on in the movie with his sweet words and clearly wasn't oblivious to the power dynamic between them (and how many other girls might there have been before her?), however much he deluded himself. I'm not saying Angelique wasn't a willing participant, but she expected more from him then he was prepared to give given her status and while he didn't deserve to be turned into vampire, he used her horribly. I suspect he ruined many a woman before her. And while that doesn't justify all her actions in the movie, Barnbas clearly has a pattern of using people, especially 'damaged' women to get what he wants (he does the same thing with Julia), no matter the cost to other people and making excuses for himself and then barely justifying or denying his culpability it later (for his class status, for his family and for Maggie/Josette), believing the ends justify the means. He's clearly intimidated and allured by strong women and his final words to Angelique reflect that.
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Post by maverick on Nov 13, 2017 0:53:05 GMT
Again, audio-only guy here (and I don't know if Maggie has a connection to Josette other then coincidence), but while I get the intentions behind it, but does anyone else find the handling of Maggie and Barnbas's plot line more than a bit.....disturbing?
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Post by omega on Nov 13, 2017 1:22:58 GMT
Again, audio-only guy here (and I don't know if Maggie has a connection to Josette other then coincidence), but while I get the intentions behind it, but does anyone else find the handling of Maggie and Barnbas's plot line more than a bit.....disturbing? In the show Maggie and Josette were both performed by Kathryn Leigh Scott, and storylines set in the past would usually have a KLS character who Barnabas would groom to become Josette. The 1991 version of Josette was played by Johanna Going, who also played Vicki. The issue with that plot line is that like lots of others it doesn't have a lot of time invested in it, taking away from the emotional impact.
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