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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 30, 2018 21:26:24 GMT
I thought this was top notch and enjoyed it very much. I found it a great story, and wasn't annoyed by the humor - if it's going to be "grown-up" then "grown-up" humor is probably an obvious way to express that - but point taken that things are starting to seem consistently adult lately. (Perhaps it's more conspicuous after the audio series has already proven so well that it has better things to do than go there gratuitously?)
Not a complaint, really just an observation since I found myself actually thinking about that at numerous points throughout the story. I think such a level of adult works for me for making things seem a bit edgier or grittier, but I'd be as happy to live without it if it helps keep Torchwood more accessible to a broader audience. (Of course, I think they've been flying an adult content label for awhile now, is that right? - and maybe it makes sense for them to be living up to it?)
Anyway, another winner in my book - one of many for the range.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 23:38:11 GMT
I dunno, all seems quite faithful to TW to me to have some x-rated fun. I liked it quite a lot though there's not a lot more mileage in this duo if there's no real development of their relationship or change in the one of them.
Beneath the comedy was that horrible pre-Wolfenden days where gay men were criminalised just for doing what comes naturally.
I loved Alejandro. "You will not stay....for sex?" made me laugh out loud on the bus. As did Fat Kim. She's a real TW monster.
No classic...but a fun commute soundtrack.
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Post by Digi on Jul 1, 2018 0:55:28 GMT
I dunno, all seems quite faithful to TW to me to have some x-rated fun. I liked it quite a lot though there's not a lot more mileage in this duo if there's no real development of their relationship or change in the one of them. Beneath the comedy was that horrible pre-Wolfenden days where gay men were criminalised just for doing what comes naturally. Absolutely. It's perhaps not as extreme as a David Lynch work, but I think it's in a similar vein in that there's a pleasant layer on top that obscures a profoundly dark, disturbing underbelly. I think that's one of the real underlying, understated strengths of this release; the juxtaposition of lighthearted comedy against the darkness of casual ostracism and violence against people simply for being who they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 1:06:58 GMT
I dunno, all seems quite faithful to TW to me to have some x-rated fun. I liked it quite a lot though there's not a lot more mileage in this duo if there's no real development of their relationship or change in the one of them. Beneath the comedy was that horrible pre-Wolfenden days where gay men were criminalised just for doing what comes naturally. Absolutely. It's perhaps not as extreme as a David Lynch work, but I think it's in a similar vein in that there's a pleasant layer on top that obscures a profoundly dark, disturbing underbelly. I think that's one of the real underlying, understated strengths of this release; the juxtaposition of lighthearted comedy against the darkness of casual ostracism and violence against people simply for being who they are. Oddly I was also thinking Lynch for Torchwood recently - not for this but for We Always Get Out Alive. Surreal happenings taking place on a long night drive? That's pure Lost Highway, and Twin Peaks The Return Ep 18.
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Post by Digi on Jul 1, 2018 1:19:07 GMT
Absolutely. It's perhaps not as extreme as a David Lynch work, but I think it's in a similar vein in that there's a pleasant layer on top that obscures a profoundly dark, disturbing underbelly. I think that's one of the real underlying, understated strengths of this release; the juxtaposition of lighthearted comedy against the darkness of casual ostracism and violence against people simply for being who they are. Oddly I was also thinking Lynch for Torchwood recently - not for this but for We Always Get Out Alive. Surreal happenings taking place on a long night drive? That's pure Lost Highway, and Twin Peaks The Return Ep 18. Thaaaat is a good thought! I've had Lynch on my mind the last few days because I've been reading his bio/memoir. Takes my brain to some strange places
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Post by omega on Jul 1, 2018 1:42:58 GMT
The setting reminds me of the Doctor Who New Adventure novel Bad Therapy. That's set in 50's Soho just before the riots, where one of the characters is being blackmailed because someone knows he's gay. There's club raids and everything. It's treated a lot more tactfully than in this story.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jul 2, 2018 22:44:07 GMT
My take on 'Goodbye Piccadilly' is now up at Cultbox: in short, another cracker: a fast moving, ribald and occasionally raucous chase around the streets of 1950s Soho with some big performances and a dash of social commentary too.
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Post by Zagreus on Jul 4, 2018 19:28:35 GMT
Finally got a chance to sit down with this! It sure does just bundle along doesn't it, but is no less entertaining for it. Can't wait for whatever Norton and Andy get up to next
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Post by Ela on Jul 6, 2018 7:34:14 GMT
I always enjoy Norton and Andy, and this was no exception. They really play well off each other. Underneath the humor, as Davy Gallgher pointed out, was the grim reminder of what it was like to be gay back then. I was interested to learn from the extras that a lot was taken from how things actually were back then. Looking forward to more Norton and Andy, and to finding out the mystery of what Norton is really up to.
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Post by Zagreus on Jul 8, 2018 19:42:22 GMT
Need to go relisten to The Martian Invasion of Earth now...
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 15, 2018 13:17:26 GMT
Listened this week. Enjoyed it. More Norton and Andy please
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Post by number13 on Dec 16, 2019 12:48:58 GMT
Norton and Sgt. Andy's first rematch after 'Ghost Mission', I thought it was another excellent story by James Goss. Very unexpected TW twists in a fast-moving and sometimes raunchy, riotous comedy in 50s Soho - and cutting through the comedy, the tragedy that in those days some men were officially persecuted, just for being themselves. But Norton's relentlessly positive 'can-do' energy and Andy's cope-with-anything (just about) spirit carry the story along and make human comedy from adversity. And... {Spoiler}Oh Norton Folgate, you devious chap! He manipulates Andy and dispatches all his enemies (his own boss included) in one night with one plan. I like Norton better than ever now I know he's got his own agenda - a schemer (possibly) up to no good makes a great character! EDIT: Now I've had a chance to read back upthread, I do see what paz meant about a run of TWs that were similar in some way, heard in release order. But I'm hearing them all out of order so for me this followed the tense and often dark thrillers Zone 10, Made You Look and Torchwood_cascade, so this one was quite the contrast!
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