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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 15:31:51 GMT
There's still Season 4 of Rebels! I don't watch any of the cartoons.
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Post by rran on Dec 16, 2017 16:44:13 GMT
Absolute disappointment I didn’t expect much after all your reviews but this was way below even those low expectations. They’re clearly confused as to how to take the story ahead as it doesn’t seem to go anywhere. The first half scenes were quite repetitive, putting Luke in a situation similar to Obi wan Kenobi. Kylo Ren again is a confused character. And at the end of it all I’m confused and irritated. Rogue One was so so much better than this. As timelord said, I guess Star Wars has ended with Return of the Jedi.. I might as well go and watch the Rebels animated series. That’s better than this.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 16, 2017 22:02:33 GMT
There's still Season 4 of Rebels! I don't watch any of the cartoons. Well, to each their own I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 0:35:42 GMT
A atrocious movie, it breaks my heart to say this as i been a huge fan of Star Wars for over 35 yrs & it is,my favourite film franchises at made me fall in love with movies but what The Last Jedi has done is give a two fingered salute to the fans. Force Awakens set up so theories & questions here's the answers in Last Jedi. Spoilers. Reys parents were nobody who sold her to slave traders, it doesn't explain how she is so strong with the force, so all those hints to who is Reys parents well there probably The Gallaghers from Shameless. Kylo Ren. What made him turn to the dark side? Nothing he is just evil, no plot explaining why he turned & what a p..s poor villian he is, we gone from Palpatine & Vader to some shouty dude & a poor mans vader who throws tantrums ruling the galaxy. Luke Skywalker. Awful arc, written totally out of character, no way would he abandon his sister & become a hermit, the training scenes with Rey were rubbish & Lukes confrontation with Kylo in the climax was awful & lacked spectacle (why didn't he destroy the first orders At Ats in a epic action scene, oh & he dies becomes one with the force because projecting himself a long way away took it's toll, bulls..t a terrible way to exit this very important character. Snoke, is he Darth Plagueus, a clone of Anakin, well we'll never know, so powerful with the force he is he can't see or sense a light saber vibrating next to him & his royal guards must be half asleep cause they didn't notice either as Kylo murdered him. No plot, 152 minutes were for the most part the first order can track ships through hyperspace but with all there high technology cannot catch up with the rebellion shipwaiting for it to run out of fuel. The Finn & Rose subplot was lame & Captain Phasmas small appearance was a waste, a character built up to be this bad ass stormtrooper but has done nothing memorable in this or Force Awakens. Add to the fact the light saber battles were shockingly slow, nothing is explained, the plot isn't expanded upon & no questions have been answered this was just a abomination of a movie & it has literally broke my heart, spirit & have totally lost faith in films. Lucas had his faults but he did deliver epic action, this film tramples on his legacy & the world he created. I have discarded Force Awakens from my collection, Star Wars concludes with Return Of The Jedi for me & i have no interest in Episode 9, i never thought the day would come when I'd turn my back on this franchise but on December 14th 2017 that's exactly what i did. F..k you Disney & Rian Johnson. You're doing that incredibly entitled thing you did with Jodie Whittaker's casting and assuming because you didn't like it, it must be a "two fingers up to the fans". I'm a fan. I loved it. Don't please tell me it was sticking two fingers up to me. I wouldn't presume to tell you you're wrong. I can tell you why I disagree with you though..... : Rey's parents was a blind side for a fandom that seems to think everyone has to be related to someone else. Would the film be better if she was a Skywalker? Surely the point of the Jedi isn't that only one bloodline can become one? Her parents weren't the point - it was her longing for them holding her back from embracing her own future that was. Kylo Ren even calls her on it - that the parents don't matter. She does. That was quite explicit. We know exactly what made Kylo Ren turn - the pull of the dark, just as Rey was tempted. I think you're expecting it to be far too literal. The darkness was in him already and he surrended to it, just as Rey could have done by simply taking his hand. It didn't need to be one inciting incident. He fell gradually and Luke's hubris stopped him from nipping it in the bud untill it was too late. Luke was "out of character" is something I've heard a few say. We saw 4 years of his life in his late teens and early 20s. How can you say what his character was for the 40 years after that? He changed, he became withdrawn. The film told us exactly why he would run away from Leia, because he failed her. He withdrew from even using The Force. This was a broken old man, not the youthful vibrant one of 1977-1983. This was the Return Of The Jedi literally and figuratively. His death truly meant something as it brought light in the darkest of hours. He died at peace, saving the rebellion to be one with the Force again. I can't think of a better end. Would being killed by Ren in a lightsaber duel really be better? Snoke was a McGuffin - we've been conditioned to expect the big bad over a trilogy...this subverted that. The idea that it should just be Darth Plageuis or a reincarnated Palpatine...why? What does that add? He's only there to be the proximate cause of Kylo Ren and to help surprise the audiences with a shock death. It absolutely worked. No-one saw it coming. He served his purpose of elevating Kylo Ren. The apprentice kills the master. This is classical storytelling here. The First Order did catch up to the rebel fleet, they just couldn't get through their shields at that close range untill the fuel was out. It wasn't a chase, it was a siege. I'm not sure you caught that at all if you think it was just a case of Hux not being able to catch Laura Dern because that wasn't what was going on. At all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 0:47:25 GMT
I thought it was indeed a bit overlong. The Finn-Rose relationship was good but their story was a bit sprawling. Benicio Del Toro was miscast and gave an erratic performance though that's his thing so I guess that's what Rian wanted. Those are honestly the only issues I really had. What did I love? Well, apart from much I put in my rebuttals above.....
- Loved Mark Hamill's world-weary Luke. The total swerve of him tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder really got a gasp from the audience. - Laura Dern. - Porgs. Used just enough to be cute comic relief and not grate. - Luke's astral projection flicking the dust off after being barraged. - Yoda. The CGI wasn't 100% but the dialogue and message were. A few Star Wars fans too reverentail to the old EU could learn from Yoda's advice that old books contain much good....but you have to live for the now. - Maz Kanata appearing in a cameo from her own off-screen spinoff movie! - Poe Dameron getting such a vital part and becoming more than the "blow stuff up" pilot but a leader and Leia's true heir. - John Williams' score (d'uh) - Justin Theroux's cameo. Him and Laura Dern in one movie reminded me of Inland Empire. - Rian Johnson's script managing to link all the plot strands with two phrases that are used as motifs "light the spark" and "it's now or never". - Rick Heinrich's set design. He gave us some stunning sets the likes of which we've never seen.
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Post by relativetime on Dec 17, 2017 2:32:06 GMT
Just got back from seeing the film. I thought it was pretty good. I have to agree that I did think it was a bit overlong. For me, at least, I didn't really get into it until Act II, but once I did, I had a great time. I was initially really, REALLY worried that I was about to get a remixed version of The Empire Strikes Back at the opening title crawl, but I definitely can't say I feel that way after the movie ended, which is a huge relief. I LOVED what they did with Snoke and ESPECIALLY Rey's parents (PLEASE don't be a copout!). I'll leave it at that.
So, yeah. I liked it. Wouldn't say it's the best Star Wars movie ever - and whoever said it needed to be? - but it's definitely a pretty enjoyable film and once I overcame a few hurdles at the beginning, I had a great time watching it.
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Post by Star Platinum on Dec 17, 2017 3:56:44 GMT
I wasn't overly impressed by this movie.
Felt to much like a marvel movie.
The whole Fin/rose plot went absolutely nowhere and didn't advance the movie at all.
Wasn't happy with how it ended either.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 17, 2017 8:58:17 GMT
A atrocious movie, it breaks my heart to say this as i been a huge fan of Star Wars for over 35 yrs & it is,my favourite film franchises at made me fall in love with movies but what The Last Jedi has done is give a two fingered salute to the fans. Force Awakens set up so theories & questions here's the answers in Last Jedi. Spoilers. Reys parents were nobody who sold her to slave traders, it doesn't explain how she is so strong with the force, so all those hints to who is Reys parents well there probably The Gallaghers from Shameless. Kylo Ren. What made him turn to the dark side? Nothing he is just evil, no plot explaining why he turned & what a p..s poor villian he is, we gone from Palpatine & Vader to some shouty dude & a poor mans vader who throws tantrums ruling the galaxy. Luke Skywalker. Awful arc, written totally out of character, no way would he abandon his sister & become a hermit, the training scenes with Rey were rubbish & Lukes confrontation with Kylo in the climax was awful & lacked spectacle (why didn't he destroy the first orders At Ats in a epic action scene, oh & he dies becomes one with the force because projecting himself a long way away took it's toll, bulls..t a terrible way to exit this very important character. Snoke, is he Darth Plagueus, a clone of Anakin, well we'll never know, so powerful with the force he is he can't see or sense a light saber vibrating next to him & his royal guards must be half asleep cause they didn't notice either as Kylo murdered him. No plot, 152 minutes were for the most part the first order can track ships through hyperspace but with all there high technology cannot catch up with the rebellion shipwaiting for it to run out of fuel. The Finn & Rose subplot was lame & Captain Phasmas small appearance was a waste, a character built up to be this bad ass stormtrooper but has done nothing memorable in this or Force Awakens. Add to the fact the light saber battles were shockingly slow, nothing is explained, the plot isn't expanded upon & no questions have been answered this was just a abomination of a movie & it has literally broke my heart, spirit & have totally lost faith in films. Lucas had his faults but he did deliver epic action, this film tramples on his legacy & the world he created. I have discarded Force Awakens from my collection, Star Wars concludes with Return Of The Jedi for me & i have no interest in Episode 9, i never thought the day would come when I'd turn my back on this franchise but on December 14th 2017 that's exactly what i did. F..k you Disney & Rian Johnson. You're doing that incredibly entitled thing you did with Jodie Whittaker's casting and assuming because you didn't like it, it must be a "two fingers up to the fans". I'm a fan. I loved it. Don't please tell me it was sticking two fingers up to me. I wouldn't presume to tell you you're wrong. I can tell you why I disagree with you though..... : Rey's parents was a blind side for a fandom that seems to think everyone has to be related to someone else. Would the film be better if she was a Skywalker? Surely the point of the Jedi isn't that only one bloodline can become one? Her parents weren't the point - it was her longing for them holding her back from embracing her own future that was. Kylo Ren even calls her on it - that the parents don't matter. She does. That was quite explicit. We know exactly what made Kylo Ren turn - the pull of the dark, just as Rey was tempted. I think you're expecting it to be far too literal. The darkness was in him already and he surrended to it, just as Rey could have done by simply taking his hand. It didn't need to be one inciting incident. He fell gradually and Luke's hubris stopped him from nipping it in the bud untill it was too late. Luke was "out of character" is something I've heard a few say. We saw 4 years of his life in his late teens and early 20s. How can you say what his character was for the 40 years after that? He changed, he became withdrawn. The film told us exactly why he would run away from Leia, because he failed her. He withdrew from even using The Force. This was a broken old man, not the youthful vibrant one of 1977-1983. This was the Return Of The Jedi literally and figuratively. His death truly meant something as it brought light in the darkest of hours. He died at peace, saving the rebellion to be one with the Force again. I can't think of a better end. Would being killed by Ren in a lightsaber duel really be better? Snoke was a McGuffin - we've been conditioned to expect the big bad over a trilogy...this subverted that. The idea that it should just be Darth Plageuis or a reincarnated Palpatine...why? What does that add? He's only there to be the proximate cause of Kylo Ren and to help surprise the audiences with a shock death. It absolutely worked. No-one saw it coming. He served his purpose of elevating Kylo Ren. The apprentice kills the master. This is classical storytelling here. The First Order did catch up to the rebel fleet, they just couldn't get through their shields at that close range untill the fuel was out. It wasn't a chase, it was a siege. I'm not sure you caught that at all if you think it was just a case of Hux not being able to catch Laura Dern because that wasn't what was going on. At all. If this is Disney's future for Star Wars I'm out we'll have to agree to disagree on this film as i thought it a abomination, why set up teasers in Force Awakens if you don't give a satisfactory pay off, nothing moved forward plot wise for me & i thought it a terrible movie but I'm glad you enjoyed it i will console myself with the war master box set. Snoke all powerful yet didn't notice the light saber turning towards him, Luke isolation was out of character he'd fight with the rebels because of Leia not turn his back on her, Reys parents ok there nobody but then don't tease she could be a skywalker or Kenobi. What happened to the knights of Ren? Finn subplot was pointless, Phasma was built up to be this bad ass stormtrooper but was given nothing interesting to do, Yoda i swear was drunk. The light saber battles were slow & Lukes final confrontation against Kylo & First Order was underwheming he did nothing & Luke is supposed to be the most powerful jedi, he must have read Episode 9 script & disappeared. We gone from Palpatine & Vader to Vaders grandson with tantrum issues & shouty Hux in charge of the First Order my God bring back George Lucas. And i still haven't a clue how that light saber was retrieved from Cloud City. Disney (barring Rogue One) & EA are in charge of Star Wars in movies & gaming I'll say no more.
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Post by rran on Dec 17, 2017 9:01:49 GMT
There's still Season 4 of Rebels! I like watching Rebels. Have a lot of catching up to do though. I’m only on season 2 now.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 17, 2017 9:19:13 GMT
Disney & EA ruining Star Wars, half expected loot boxes to appear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 11:40:22 GMT
If this is Disney's future for Star Wars I'm out we'll have to agree to disagree on this film as i thought it a abomination, why set up teasers in Force Awakens if you don't give a satisfactory pay off, nothing moved forward plot wise for me & i thought it a terrible movie but I'm glad you enjoyed it i will console myself with the war master box set. Snoke all powerful yet didn't notice the light saber turning towards him, Luke isolation was out of character he'd fight with the rebels because of Leia not turn his back on her, Reys parents ok there nobody but then don't tease she could be a skywalker or Kenobi. What happened to the knights of Ren? Finn subplot was pointless, Phasma was built up to be this bad ass stormtrooper but was given nothing interesting to do, Yoda i swear was drunk. The light saber battles were slow & Lukes final confrontation against Kylo & First Order was underwheming he did nothing & Luke is supposed to be the most powerful jedi, he must have read Episode 9 script & disappeared. We gone from Palpatine & Vader to Vaders grandson with tantrum issues & shouty Hux in charge of the First Order my God bring back George Lucas. And i still haven't a clue how that light saber was retrieved from Cloud City. Disney (barring Rogue One) & EA are in charge of Star Wars in movies & gaming I'll say no more. Disney own it but Kathleen Kennedy runs Star Wars the same way Kevin Feige does Marvel. They both were high up even before their respecting properties were snapped up by Disney so I don't think being owned by Fox or independent would make a difference - the same execs are on board. The same vision. To go through your points: How do you know Snoke is all powerful? Because you thought he was. You expected a new Palpatine. He wasn't. That's one of the themes of this movie - that people aren't who they think they are. Who they pretend to be isn't who they are. Snoke mocked Ben for not being Vader, all the while not realising he's no Palpatine. That's terrific stuff. They nailed Snoke there. He was a tool to get Ben where he needs to be. Knights Of Ren? Kylo is their head but what do you want from them? To be his Imperial Guard. What are they really going to add here. He's the boss man now, so they may play a part. The trilogy is only 2/3 done. Otherwise I'm sure they'll be in a novel or some such. This film has no need for them. Finn's subplot was the weakest but thematically it was terrific and the relationship with Rose was great. I've already said Del Toro lets this plotstrand down and I don't love the animal chase. I do love that this sets the scene for that terrifically bold last shot on an unnamed kid now living with a spar of hope. Worth it for that. Phasma got a great scene I thought. Not much she can do about a ship blowing up. I'd rather she got one cool scene than took up screen time when she's not going to have an arc or character. Luke is the most powerful Jedi? Well, Anakin was prophesised to bring balance to the force, I'm not sure where it says Luke was the most powerful anything....he got the perfect ending. He realised he had to return and then did so in the most beautifully Jedi-way. How dull if he just turned up and had a saber battle and was killed. Been there, done that. This was Luke giving his very being back to the Force. Using all his life to do it, sure, but dying with an act of love and hope, not anger. Gorgeous. He attoned for his hubris. Moaning about Kylo Ren having tantrums is something I see a lot, and did with the last film. That's the point. He's tortured. He's not truly able to embrace one side over the other and the conflict keeps him as an open wound. He's not supposed to be "the new Vader". He wants to be, and can't. That's his character. Like Luke thinking he could be Yoda and Snoak wanting to be Palpatine, he's discovered you can't live someone else's legacy. That he's overtly emotional is why he could be turned in the first place - Snoke sensed his weakness. And Luke sensed that he could handle his demons. Both were ultimately wrong. He's a deeper villain than Vader and Palpatine ever were. Again, why just want another Vader? They're doing something new. I don't want a Vader retread. What does it matter where the lightsaber came from? Would it change one single aspect of the film? There was a deleted scene in Ep VII where Maz Kanata was to explain how she got it - the film was going to open with a shot of the saber floating in space at one point - and JJ cut them both. Why? It added nothing. Nada.
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Post by SG. on Dec 17, 2017 12:40:28 GMT
Well, I loved it. Like has been said elsewhere in this thread, the entire point of the “underwhelming” reveals is to subvert your expectations. Let’s be honest, the answer to who Rey’s parents were or who Snoke is, if taken seriously, was never going to be satisfying. I respect this film a lot more for deciding that those questions are unimportant.
The entire Luke as a Force Ghost sequence is probably my favourite scene in the entire franchise too.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 17, 2017 14:20:30 GMT
There's still Season 4 of Rebels! I like watching Rebels. Have a lot of catching up to do though. I’m only on season 2 now. Season 2 is GREAT!!
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Post by mark687 on Dec 17, 2017 14:25:36 GMT
I like watching Rebels. Have a lot of catching up to do though. I’m only on season 2 now. Season 2 is GREAT!! And it gets BETTER!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 17, 2017 14:37:54 GMT
And it gets BETTER!
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It does but BIG Ahsoka Tano fan here
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Post by rran on Dec 17, 2017 15:44:01 GMT
I like watching Rebels. Have a lot of catching up to do though. I’m only on season 2 now. Season 2 is GREAT!! I know.. I'm halfway through it and loving it so far
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Post by rran on Dec 17, 2017 16:11:39 GMT
And it gets BETTER!
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It does but BIG Ahsoka Tano fan here Me too. I loved the Clone wars as well.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 17, 2017 17:59:53 GMT
It does but BIG Ahsoka Tano fan here Me too. I loved the Clone wars as well. Oh, you should try the Ahsoka novel by E.K. Johnston. Set between Clone Wars and Rebels.
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Post by The Matt on Dec 17, 2017 22:10:29 GMT
Just back from seeing The Last Jedi and I thought it was really good. Certainly didn't feel like 2.5 hours in there. I guess the whole casino bit was unnecessary and I'm not sure how to take Leia flying through space back into the ship but on the whole it was good fun. 7/10 for me
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Post by Digi on Dec 17, 2017 22:11:28 GMT
Will echo the Rebels love in this thread. Each season is better than the last.
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