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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 9, 2018 23:47:13 GMT
I’ve always felt like Rey was connected to Kenobi in some way. I loved the idea of a Kenobi returning the lightsaber to Luke and hoping that he would train her. It made sense to me in a very George Lucas kind of way. Eh, I think she's just an original character. I think it's more important to the little girls watching her. If we are to believe what The Last Jedi tells us, my feeling was completely wrong anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:55:17 GMT
For those that love and hate it we seem to generally have found the casino scene and chase to be the more problematic, and the pacing and length to be issues that could have been better. Those seem to be the areas there's not much disagreement on, only degrees. Despite Poe being - along with Luke - easily my favourite part of the film, I'm still not sure his "Holding for General Hux" thing was as funny as Rian did. It didn't really get laughs in the audience I was in. His "Who talks first, you talk first? I talk first?" in Ep VII worked better. This gag just had the audience all thinking "Do they have the same phone etiquette we do in the Star Wars Universe? Do they have phones?". I did like the way both actors played it but it didn't feel part of this world. Though, as I think I said, I love that Poe has gone from "Well, he's the new Han Solo" to the new heir apparent to Leia. Suberting expectations again. Interesting that JJ Abrams is back for Ep IX. Will he continue to subvert or will he revert to his more traditionalist style as he showed in Ep VII? There aren't many cliffhangers, nothing to dictate where the next one has to go or what timeframe so it could be anything. Then, I wonder what Colin Treverrow's ideas were going to be before Lucasfilm fired him? One odd thing is that despite loving this a lot more than Force Awakens (which I was a big fan of anyway), it doesn't leave me as eager to see the next one as the last film did. Not enough was left dangling to really keep me on tenterhooks, it loses the idea of the serial nature of the trilogies really. Again, subversive,but perhaps not in the best way to keep audiences enthralled over the next 18 months. Much of this worked as the end of the story not quite so much the middle part. I should say I have zero interest in the young Han Solo movie. Firing Miller and Lord was one thing but hiring Ron Howard? I already thought the premise would lend itself to be 100% fanservice "Here's Han winning the Falcon" "Here's the Kessel Run" "Here's how Chewie owes him a life-debt" but hiring the premier safe pair of Hollywood hands just confirmed my fear it's going to be risk-free and sterile. I hope to be wrong. I agree with you on the Han Solo movie do we really need to know more about this characters past?, i do hope a Kenobi or Vader movie gets greenlite in the near future & if Boba Fett got a spin off film that would be amazing, his death in ROTJ was poorly handled to give the audience a cheap laugh. I think doing the prequel stories creates a nice momentum along with the new trilogy. Rogue One brought a new blunter edge to the Star Wars audience for a lot of the new audience and re-inforced the events of The Force Awakens. And while many of us are farmaliar with the EU, a lot of the audience isn't and there is that curiosty. (Plus: Donald Glover as Lando.) If it's fine with Carrie Fisher's surriving family, I'm actually hoping we get to see Leia in action in the Han Solo film in some capacity as part of the pieces being placed on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:58:09 GMT
I’ve always felt like Rey was connected to Kenobi in some way. I loved the idea of a Kenobi returning the lightsaber to Luke and hoping that he would train her. It made sense to me in a very George Lucas kind of way. Eh, I think she's going to be complete original. For the little girls watching, it's too important and the new triolgey has been all about Star Wars branching off into the unknown.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 10, 2018 0:01:18 GMT
I’ve always felt like Rey was connected to Kenobi in some way. I loved the idea of a Kenobi returning the lightsaber to Luke and hoping that he would train her. It made sense to me in a very George Lucas kind of way. Eh, I think she's going to be complete original. For the little girls watching, it's too important and the new triolgey has been all about Star Wars branching off into the unknown. Didn't you say that already?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 0:07:21 GMT
A atrocious movie, it breaks my heart to say this as i been a huge fan of Star Wars for over 35 yrs & it is,my favourite film franchises at made me fall in love with movies but what The Last Jedi has done is give a two fingered salute to the fans. Force Awakens set up so theories & questions here's the answers in Last Jedi. Spoilers. Reys parents were nobody who sold her to slave traders, it doesn't explain how she is so strong with the force, so all those hints to who is Reys parents well there probably The Gallaghers from Shameless. Kylo Ren. What made him turn to the dark side? Nothing he is just evil, no plot explaining why he turned & what a p..s poor villian he is, we gone from Palpatine & Vader to some shouty dude & a poor mans vader who throws tantrums ruling the galaxy. Luke Skywalker. Awful arc, written totally out of character, no way would he abandon his sister & become a hermit, the training scenes with Rey were rubbish & Lukes confrontation with Kylo in the climax was awful & lacked spectacle (why didn't he destroy the first orders At Ats in a epic action scene, oh & he dies becomes one with the force because projecting himself a long way away took it's toll, bulls..t a terrible way to exit this very important character. Snoke, is he Darth Plagueus, a clone of Anakin, well we'll never know, so powerful with the force he is he can't see or sense a light saber vibrating next to him & his royal guards must be half asleep cause they didn't notice either as Kylo murdered him. No plot, 152 minutes were for the most part the first order can track ships through hyperspace but with all there high technology cannot catch up with the rebellion shipwaiting for it to run out of fuel. The Finn & Rose subplot was lame & Captain Phasmas small appearance was a waste, a character built up to be this bad ass stormtrooper but has done nothing memorable in this or Force Awakens. Add to the fact the light saber battles were shockingly slow, nothing is explained, the plot isn't expanded upon & no questions have been answered this was just a abomination of a movie & it has literally broke my heart, spirit & have totally lost faith in films. Lucas had his faults but he did deliver epic action, this film tramples on his legacy & the world he created. I have discarded Force Awakens from my collection, Star Wars concludes with Return Of The Jedi for me & i have no interest in Episode 9, i never thought the day would come when I'd turn my back on this franchise but on December 14th 2017 that's exactly what i did. F..k you Disney & Rian Johnson. It's heavily hinted that Snoke's still around in Huxley's mind, though. I think we'll get some sort of reveal on who he is. As for Finn and Rose, I thought it was vital. All about who you need to be during war, rather then what it makes you become. I'm biased, because Finn is my favourite character in the new triolgey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 0:34:16 GMT
I thought Leia’s floating through space bit was cheesy, but I don’t think I could have handled it if they had killed her off.
Honestly, I loved it. Leia hesistantly reaching out to The Force was a great little character moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 0:36:37 GMT
I'm incredibly curious about how Leia is going to be handled in Episode IX. I don't think there going to kill her off, personally - she's too much part of the story. I'm guessing we'll 'feel' her presence through the film, without seeing her. An offscreen encounter with Kylo Renn could be nicely handled.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 10, 2018 0:52:29 GMT
I'm incredibly curious about how Leia is going to be handled in Episode IX. I don't think there going to kill her off, personally - she's too much part of the story. I'm guessing we'll 'feel' her presence through the film, without seeing her. An offscreen encounter with Kylo Renn could be nicely handled. It will be interesting. Force Awakens was designed as Han's movie and Last Jedi as Luke's. Number 3 was intended to be Leia's. So yeah, lots of curiosity on my end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 0:54:11 GMT
Eh, I think she's going to be complete original. For the little girls watching, it's too important and the new triolgey has been all about Star Wars branching off into the unknown. Didn't you say that already? Whoops, sorry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 1:02:08 GMT
If this is Disney's future for Star Wars I'm out we'll have to agree to disagree on this film as i thought it a abomination, why set up teasers in Force Awakens if you don't give a satisfactory pay off, nothing moved forward plot wise for me & i thought it a terrible movie but I'm glad you enjoyed it i will console myself with the war master box set. Snoke all powerful yet didn't notice the light saber turning towards him, Luke isolation was out of character he'd fight with the rebels because of Leia not turn his back on her, Reys parents ok there nobody but then don't tease she could be a skywalker or Kenobi. What happened to the knights of Ren? Finn subplot was pointless, Phasma was built up to be this bad ass stormtrooper but was given nothing interesting to do, Yoda i swear was drunk. The light saber battles were slow & Lukes final confrontation against Kylo & First Order was underwheming he did nothing & Luke is supposed to be the most powerful jedi, he must have read Episode 9 script & disappeared. We gone from Palpatine & Vader to Vaders grandson with tantrum issues & shouty Hux in charge of the First Order my God bring back George Lucas. And i still haven't a clue how that light saber was retrieved from Cloud City. Disney (barring Rogue One) & EA are in charge of Star Wars in movies & gaming I'll say no more. Disney own it but Kathleen Kennedy runs Star Wars the same way Kevin Feige does Marvel. They both were high up even before their respecting properties were snapped up by Disney so I don't think being owned by Fox or independent would make a difference - the same execs are on board. The same vision. To go through your points: How do you know Snoke is all powerful? Because you thought he was. You expected a new Palpatine. He wasn't. That's one of the themes of this movie - that people aren't who they think they are. Who they pretend to be isn't who they are. Snoke mocked Ben for not being Vader, all the while not realising he's no Palpatine. That's terrific stuff. They nailed Snoke there. He was a tool to get Ben where he needs to be. Knights Of Ren? Kylo is their head but what do you want from them? To be his Imperial Guard. What are they really going to add here. He's the boss man now, so they may play a part. The trilogy is only 2/3 done. Otherwise I'm sure they'll be in a novel or some such. This film has no need for them. Finn's subplot was the weakest but thematically it was terrific and the relationship with Rose was great. I've already said Del Toro lets this plotstrand down and I don't love the animal chase. I do love that this sets the scene for that terrifically bold last shot on an unnamed kid now living with a spar of hope. Worth it for that. Phasma got a great scene I thought. Not much she can do about a ship blowing up. I'd rather she got one cool scene than took up screen time when she's not going to have an arc or character. Luke is the most powerful Jedi? Well, Anakin was prophesised to bring balance to the force, I'm not sure where it says Luke was the most powerful anything....he got the perfect ending. He realised he had to return and then did so in the most beautifully Jedi-way. How dull if he just turned up and had a saber battle and was killed. Been there, done that. This was Luke giving his very being back to the Force. Using all his life to do it, sure, but dying with an act of love and hope, not anger. Gorgeous. He attoned for his hubris. Moaning about Kylo Ren having tantrums is something I see a lot, and did with the last film. That's the point. He's tortured. He's not truly able to embrace one side over the other and the conflict keeps him as an open wound. He's not supposed to be "the new Vader". He wants to be, and can't. That's his character. Like Luke thinking he could be Yoda and Snoak wanting to be Palpatine, he's discovered you can't live someone else's legacy. That he's overtly emotional is why he could be turned in the first place - Snoke sensed his weakness. And Luke sensed that he could handle his demons. Both were ultimately wrong. He's a deeper villain than Vader and Palpatine ever were. Again, why just want another Vader? They're doing something new. I don't want a Vader retread. What does it matter where the lightsaber came from? Would it change one single aspect of the film? There was a deleted scene in Ep VII where Maz Kanata was to explain how she got it - the film was going to open with a shot of the saber floating in space at one point - and JJ cut them both. Why? It added nothing. Nada. I'm a white guy posting this, but I thought Phasma's death was a better handling then most of the racial subtext concerning Finn's character.
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Post by muckypup on Jan 29, 2018 18:12:19 GMT
ok i have finally seen it......now i knew it was decisive but boy i was not expecting that.
its not a proper movie and for the most part very un-star wars universe......its a filler episode......no plot, no development, overlong, terrible cgi, terrible humour, and much more
but i still enjoyed it.......for me the real problem was the director/direction, he had no idea how to keep track of everyone, with cut, cut, cut removing all tension and intrugue......give use 10 minutes of someone's story then change........
it also feels like a film deliberately designed to piss on fandom, maybe that's a good thing but after force awakens played to every fanboy this felt like a misstep.
not a bad thing but i feel this film is why Disney has been director sacking happy....tighter reins.
i does go to the bottom of my star wars film pile, not that it really bad just not a great story and too many cringe things in the first hour.
i would he happy to hack 40 minutes from this movie.........rogue one showed us how good a star wars movie can be, i cannot say the same for this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 21:21:39 GMT
ok i have finally seen it......now i knew it was decisive but boy i was not expecting that. its not a proper movie and for the most part very un-star wars universe......its a filler episode......no plot, no development, overlong, terrible cgi, terrible humour, and much more but i still enjoyed it.......for me the real problem was the director/direction, he had no idea how to keep track of everyone, with cut, cut, cut removing all tension and intrugue......give use 10 minutes of someone's story then change........ it also feels like a film deliberately designed to piss on fandom, maybe that's a good thing but after force awakens played to every fanboy this felt like a misstep. not a bad thing but i feel this film is why Disney has been director sacking happy....tighter reins. i does go to the bottom of my star wars film pile, not that it really bad just not a great story and too many cringe things in the first hour. i would he happy to hack 40 minutes from this movie.........rogue one showed us how good a star wars movie can be, i cannot say the same for this. If your talking about Luke, it felt 100% in character for me. Luke fought in a war, lead men to their deaths in battle at a very young age, the only parental figures he knew were killed by The Empire or in the case of Ben, killed by someone who had given himself to the dark side of The Force, made huge sacrafices to restore The Republic and peace to the Galaxy and restablish The Jedi Order, all so that future generations could prosper and Ben betrayed that. We all know Luke would NEVER strike Ben down in anger, but Luke didn't even get time to process what had happened. It was a reaction, not a decision. I'm not saying Luke wouldn't have killed Ben or not tried to save him (although it's doubtful Ben could be saved and older Luke is not the same naïve kid of the triolgey), but not out of anger. I disagree with the film's take on Luke NOT reading The Ancient Jedi texts - Luke strikes me as someone who would do the research, regardless of how difficult he found it. As for no development? Poe learnt how not to be a hot-shot and be a general, Finn learnt through Rose how not to let evil shape your life while fighting it,, Rey wrestled with the darkness that has touched her life and learnt to put her trust in people who deserved it while still being compassionate and kind. Also: Luke died. I don't know, feels kind of like forward momentum to me
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Post by muckypup on Jan 29, 2018 23:33:45 GMT
ok i have finally seen it......now i knew it was decisive but boy i was not expecting that. its not a proper movie and for the most part very un-star wars universe......its a filler episode......no plot, no development, overlong, terrible cgi, terrible humour, and much more but i still enjoyed it.......for me the real problem was the director/direction, he had no idea how to keep track of everyone, with cut, cut, cut removing all tension and intrugue......give use 10 minutes of someone's story then change........ it also feels like a film deliberately designed to piss on fandom, maybe that's a good thing but after force awakens played to every fanboy this felt like a misstep. not a bad thing but i feel this film is why Disney has been director sacking happy....tighter reins. i does go to the bottom of my star wars film pile, not that it really bad just not a great story and too many cringe things in the first hour. i would he happy to hack 40 minutes from this movie.........rogue one showed us how good a star wars movie can be, i cannot say the same for this. If your talking about Luke, it felt 100% in character for me. Luke fought in a war, lead men to their deaths in battle at a very young age, the only parental figures he knew were killed by The Empire or in the case of Ben, killed by someone who had given himself to the dark side of The Force, made huge sacrafices to restore The Republic and peace to the Galaxy and restablish The Jedi Order, all so that future generations could prosper and Ben betrayed that. We all know Luke would NEVER strike Ben down in anger, but Luke didn't even get time to process what had happened. It was a reaction, not a decision. I'm not saying Luke wouldn't have killed Ben or not tried to save him (although it's doubtful Ben could be saved and older Luke is not the same naïve kid of the triolgey), but not out of anger. I disagree with the film's take on Luke NOT reading The Ancient Jedi texts - Luke strikes me as someone who would do the research, regardless of how difficult he found it. As for no development? Poe learnt how not to be a hot-shot and be a general, Finn learnt through Rose how not to let evil shape your life while fighting it,, Rey wrestled with the darkness that has touched her life and learnt to put her trust in people who deserved it while still being compassionate and kind. Also: Luke died. I don't know, feels kind of like forward momentum to me No, I am ok with Luke, bit of an odd way to depict the island with odd nun creatures just suddenly appearing and pog (Trimble) things overrunning the falcon with a dark side hole that was just a bit odd! but was it really a story that needed 2:30 hours? Some of the acting was not great, and as to the praise heaped on poor Carrie Fisher personally I though she was not really up to scratch and the flying through space scene using the force was very questionable. But yeah sure we got a bit of character development, but had to endure an awful casino/horse creature stuff which just slowed everything down, the ray/kylo mind connection stuff which was just pitiful, the throw away of characters like moz and phasma..... sidelineing of chewie, r2 & 3po & introducing poorly written one like Rosie and the codebreaker. if you take the main/important bits of the movie, I like all them it’s just the other stuff mostly the director trying to put his stamp on the film that I don’t. its Star Wars of course I enjoyed it, I am just a long way from loving it the way I did on force awakens and rogue one. but LUKE DID NOT DIE, he became one with the force......he still has a part to play in the next film just like Ben, qui gon & yoda have in the other episodes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 2:52:54 GMT
If your talking about Luke, it felt 100% in character for me. Luke fought in a war, lead men to their deaths in battle at a very young age, the only parental figures he knew were killed by The Empire or in the case of Ben, killed by someone who had given himself to the dark side of The Force, made huge sacrafices to restore The Republic and peace to the Galaxy and restablish The Jedi Order, all so that future generations could prosper and Ben betrayed that. We all know Luke would NEVER strike Ben down in anger, but Luke didn't even get time to process what had happened. It was a reaction, not a decision. I'm not saying Luke wouldn't have killed Ben or not tried to save him (although it's doubtful Ben could be saved and older Luke is not the same naïve kid of the triolgey), but not out of anger. I disagree with the film's take on Luke NOT reading The Ancient Jedi texts - Luke strikes me as someone who would do the research, regardless of how difficult he found it. As for no development? Poe learnt how not to be a hot-shot and be a general, Finn learnt through Rose how not to let evil shape your life while fighting it,, Rey wrestled with the darkness that has touched her life and learnt to put her trust in people who deserved it while still being compassionate and kind. Also: Luke died. I don't know, feels kind of like forward momentum to me No, I am ok with Luke, bit of an odd way to depict the island with odd nun creatures just suddenly appearing and pog (Trimble) things overrunning the falcon I liked The Pogs, they were cute, but still alien and strange (unlike The Ewoks.) and them dealing with the Millenium Falcon just seemed part of that wide reaching fantastical universe. Eh, I disagree. It's no less weird or strange that Luke facing his dark side in The Empire Strikes Back on Dagobah. And Rey needed to face her hatred of her parents and that she was still a good person. For me, for all the character beats, yes. I don't think you could really tell it any other way, otherwise you get Revenge of the Sith all over again. Sorry, Carrie Fisher was EVERYTHING in this movie. The weariness of command, her strength pummeleting her forward, her refusal to let her own sorrow or anger spill over into her command of the Rebellion, but still those little momments where you saw her at war with herself. We got to see Leia at her best here: her strength, her resolve, her dedication to her people. Carrie Fisher and Leia's handling was everything I wanted from Leia since the new triolgey was announced. I thought everyone pretty much nailed the tone of Star Wars very well. I have two words for you: FANTASY. POWERS . Sorry, but that was actually my favourite part of the film and felt completely necessary at the middle section of the triolgey. Finn learning that the evil he has experienced doesn't have to shape his life and that the universe isn't an apathetic place and not to lose himself in the fight, but to be better then the enemy. I actually really enjoyed it. A further exploration of the fantasy universe, rather then just rehashing the same old Force fights or visions. And because of how we've seen The Force operate, I bought it. Very nicely played. And for me, completely vital to Rey's arc. Keep in mind, I'm a white guy saying this, but I actually loved how they handled Phasma. She might have some affection for Finn, but she's still a SPACE RACIST . Yes, she's human, but so what? Moz will be back in Episode IX and you need to have ongoing threads It's the new kids triolgey, they can't just play to nostalgia, they need to push forward the characters. I'm sure we'll get plenty of R2-D2 and 3CPO in Episode IX. I really liked DJ, he had a fun roguish charm. I'm sorry, but Rose is incredible and I love her character so much. She's not just a prop for Finn's journey, she's a character in her own right. SHE BETTER NOT DIE IN EPISODE IX. What I love is that yes, she's a hero and she fights for a better universe, but Johnson doesn't ignore the fact that it's hard for her after all she's experienced, that she struggles to find the light in a very dark universe, that she's at war with herself after all she's experienced. Doing the right thing isn't always easy. To me, she felt like a fully reliased faceted three dimensional character. The Force Awakens was a nostalgia trip and there was nothing wrong with that (no, internet, there really wasn't) , but you have to push franchises forward and shake things up and do things differently. It was still Star Wars to me, but pushing things forward. I thought Rian Johnson did a fantastic job. Oh, I know he'll be back. But he's no longer a proactive player.
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Post by Ela on Feb 1, 2018 3:34:03 GMT
Porgs not pogs.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 6, 2018 22:35:16 GMT
Interesting that this has been referred to as a 'series' of movies, as opposed to Johnson's announcement which was explicitly a trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 20:34:50 GMT
Ep IX cast announced www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-cast-announcedHeadlines - - Billy Dee Williams is back as Lando and Richard E Grant is joining too. Unused footage of Carrie Fisher will be incorporated. Naomi Ackie from Face The Raven is in it, Mark Hamill's back (force ghost?)
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