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Post by shallacatop on Oct 5, 2020 20:21:29 GMT
I’d sooner wait a little bit and let them do a “business as usual” release rather than something primarily made where COVID has had an impact on the end product. I don’t mind socially distant special features, but it’d be unfortunate for a release to come out without the lovingly crafted updated production subtitles or PDFs just because the BBC Archive wasn’t available and they endeavoured to get something out by the end of the year.
These are supposed to be definitive releases and all of them have sold out. They’ll lose nothing by taking their time.
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Post by constonks on Oct 6, 2020 0:14:25 GMT
I’d sooner wait a little bit and let them do a “business as usual” release rather than something primarily made where COVID has had an impact on the end product. I don’t mind socially distant special features, but it’d be unfortunate for a release to come out without the lovingly crafted updated production subtitles or PDFs just because the BBC Archive wasn’t available and they endeavoured to get something out by the end of the year. These are supposed to be definitive releases and all of them have sold out. They’ll lose nothing by taking their time. Also, it's not like they're not working on what they can - they're probably getting far ahead on anything they can finish up now. That could make gaps between future sets shorter, if we're lucky!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 16, 2020 10:50:23 GMT
Breaking news!
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2020 11:53:29 GMT
Some more Production Updates
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 18, 2020 13:57:37 GMT
I was very critical of The Doctors Table on Season 23. It sort of took the idea of Out of the TARDIS or The Writers Room and did the opposite of what makes them so special, with choppy editing, lacklustre questions and the tendency to make tenuous links back to Season 23.
However, I love the concept, even if I found the execution to be lacking, so hopefully this is a little bit more to my tastes.
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Post by ollychops on Nov 11, 2020 8:05:32 GMT
A listing for Season 8 has shown up online, which would tie in nicely with the 50th anniversary of the Master next year.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Nov 11, 2020 8:23:47 GMT
A listing for Season 8 has shown up online, which would tie in nicely with the 50th anniversary of the Master next year. theillusiveman sent me a screen grab from Twitter about 30 mins ago.. I have checked the Aussie retailer sites online- nothing listed yet..
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 11, 2020 8:40:21 GMT
That’s exciting about Season 8; I don’t think anyone ever guessed that one would be up next, did they? Katy Manning said she was recording the past couple of days on Twitter, so it ties in.
On a slightly related note, The Road to the Dark Times manages to hold 12 parts on the first disc without any drop in quality. I don’t think they’ll ever put two stories on one disc, but it’s nice to know that potentially a full story with surviving episodes, recons, animation, features, etc. will fit on one disc nicely.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 11, 2020 8:44:38 GMT
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 11, 2020 9:24:39 GMT
A listing for Season 8 has shown up online, which would tie in nicely with the 50th anniversary of the Master next year. theillusiveman sent me a screen grab from Twitter about 30 mins ago.. I have checked the Aussie retailer sites online- nothing listed yet..
I wouldn't bother checking them until a month or so after the UK announcement, and not JB Hi-Fi until about 2-3 weeks before it's due. We're always so far behind the UK releases here (I'm still waiting to see the new Red Dwarf movie because it still isn't available in any way here...). As for Season 8 being next, that should be an interesting one. A lot of the episodes for that season are RSC*, so hopefully there'll be some interesting new features on the restoration process for Blu-ray Reverse Standards Conversion, converting the American NTSC tapes back into UK PAL, which usually causes a loss in definition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 10:51:39 GMT
theillusiveman sent me a screen grab from Twitter about 30 mins ago.. I have checked the Aussie retailer sites online- nothing listed yet..
I wouldn't bother checking them until a month or so after the UK announcement, and not JB Hi-Fi until about 2-3 weeks before it's due. We're always so far behind the UK releases here (I'm still waiting to see the new Red Dwarf movie because it still isn't available in any way here...). As for Season 8 being next, that should be an interesting one. A lot of the episodes for that season are RSC*, so hopefully there'll be some interesting new features on the restoration process for Blu-ray Reverse Standards Conversion, converting the American NTSC tapes back into UK PAL, which usually causes a loss in definition. Came on to say the same thing. A classic season and one of my favourite runs of stories. Also one that has come a long way in terms of past restorations, but with further scope to improvement. Could be a big gamble though, if for example the location footage of Terror of the Autons, Mind of Evil & The Daemons remain sub-DVD. Like trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, I appreciate the limitations of the source materials, but hope they can deliver something that is justified to the untrained eye. And of course I will be buying - no question!
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 11, 2020 11:14:35 GMT
I wouldn't bother checking them until a month or so after the UK announcement, and not JB Hi-Fi until about 2-3 weeks before it's due. We're always so far behind the UK releases here (I'm still waiting to see the new Red Dwarf movie because it still isn't available in any way here...). As for Season 8 being next, that should be an interesting one. A lot of the episodes for that season are RSC*, so hopefully there'll be some interesting new features on the restoration process for Blu-ray Reverse Standards Conversion, converting the American NTSC tapes back into UK PAL, which usually causes a loss in definition. Came on to say the same thing. A classic season and one of my favourite runs of stories. Also one that has come a long way in terms of past restorations, but with further scope to improvement. Could be a big gamble though, if for example the location footage of Terror of the Autons, Mind of Evil & The Daemons remain sub-DVD. Like trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, I appreciate the limitations of the source materials, but hope they can deliver something that is justified to the untrained eye. And of course I will be buying - no question! Do you think they might use the highest quality sources for the location footage in B&W and have them manually colourised? That would probably result in a better picture (I'm thinking of Autons and Daemons in particular here), but it would also be quite expensive as there is a fair amount of location work in both (not to mention Colony in Space...). The other possibility is they could combine all the current techniques - RSC, off-air colour signals from American recordings, and chroma dots. Using all three, they're bound to be able to create a far more consistent image than any of the DVD versions would likely have been able to. Oh, yes! Definitely buying, no matter methods they use. There are some great stories in this season, so it's not to be missed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:53:53 GMT
Late as ever, I'm about to embark on Series 14 of Classic Who. Oh my, but the packaging and accompanying booklet alone are things of true beauty, and that's before wading into the bonus features and extras.
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Post by number13 on Nov 11, 2020 13:05:20 GMT
OH WHOO HOO YES!! ('Oh Rassilon there goes Number13...' )
But I think a bit of excitement is more than justified by this news! S8 is my favourite season from my Doctor's five year run, the season where my personal Who journey began fifty years ago next year, and we'll be able to celebrate the anniversary in HD style. As others have said, it's a surprising, maybe daring choice; I was hoping for more Pertwee next but thinking S9 would be the easiest one, not this season where very few episodes survived in colour.
Most of all I'm looking forward to 'The Daemons'. Not only because it's devilishly good, but because that colourful final episode was the first colour TV I ever saw (at a friend's house because we only had a B&W TV.) Then it was gone for 30 years, then in 1993 I saw the 'Tomorrow's World' feature where they demonstrated how they had reunited picture and colour in time for the 30th anniversary of 'Doctor Who'. And here it was again; arise, arise The Daemons all five episodes of pure colour, magical as the points on a pentangle!
Yes of course I taped it! And though the one surviving true colour episode did stick out a bit (like a gargoyle's tongue ), to see it all again and all in colour was a real treat. And unlike one or two old stories I'd fond memories of and to which the reality didn't live up, it was every bit as good as I remembered it from one view as a brand new fan of Who, and many reads of Barry Letts' excellent Target book.
Then the DVD version, much improved - and now? Can we hope the secret science of the digitising daemons has worked still greater magic? When the UK listings come up I'm ready to pull out the keystone on the stroke of midnight (OK it might be my credit card) and find out!
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Post by mark687 on Nov 11, 2020 14:25:54 GMT
BTW Kudos and Thanks to everyone involved in Who Ray Production during these Strange Times
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 15:14:19 GMT
Came on to say the same thing. A classic season and one of my favourite runs of stories. Also one that has come a long way in terms of past restorations, but with further scope to improvement. Could be a big gamble though, if for example the location footage of Terror of the Autons, Mind of Evil & The Daemons remain sub-DVD. Like trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, I appreciate the limitations of the source materials, but hope they can deliver something that is justified to the untrained eye. And of course I will be buying - no question! Do you think they might use the highest quality sources for the location footage in B&W and have them manually colourised? That would probably result in a better picture (I'm thinking of Autons and Daemons in particular here), but it would also be quite expensive as there is a fair amount of location work in both (not to mention Colony in Space...). The other possibility is they could combine all the current techniques - RSC, off-air colour signals from American recordings, and chroma dots. Using all three, they're bound to be able to create a far more consistent image than any of the DVD versions would likely have been able to. Oh, yes! Definitely buying, no matter methods they use. There are some great stories in this season, so it's not to be missed I think the problem with the location footage in particular, stems from the fact that they retain 16mm B/W telerecording scans from the transmission Video tapes, of which the original filmed location work was incorporated into, thus being one generation down the line by broadcast. Converting studio footage back to an approximation of PAL Video from 16mm film and overlaying NTSC Colour home videotape was in itself complicated, in a way that the reverse standards conversion from PAL-NTSC-PAL of the video tapes for Claws of Axos wasn't. For the location work for Daemons etc, you have Film-Video -16mm B/W film, before they even get to the issue of what colour signals to use, if that makes sense. The sound is also of a poorer bandwidth than that retained on Video format. In effect I imagine it is like trying to create a High Definition master from a third generation pirate videotape....
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 11, 2020 22:39:57 GMT
Do you think they might use the highest quality sources for the location footage in B&W and have them manually colourised? That would probably result in a better picture (I'm thinking of Autons and Daemons in particular here), but it would also be quite expensive as there is a fair amount of location work in both (not to mention Colony in Space...). The other possibility is they could combine all the current techniques - RSC, off-air colour signals from American recordings, and chroma dots. Using all three, they're bound to be able to create a far more consistent image than any of the DVD versions would likely have been able to. Oh, yes! Definitely buying, no matter methods they use. There are some great stories in this season, so it's not to be missed I think the problem with the location footage in particular, stems from the fact that they retain 16mm B/W telerecording scans from the transmission Video tapes, of which the original filmed location work was incorporated into, thus being one generation down the line by broadcast. Converting studio footage back to an approximation of PAL Video from 16mm film and overlaying NTSC Colour home videotape was in itself complicated, in a way that the reverse standards conversion from PAL-NTSC-PAL of the video tapes for Claws of Axos wasn't. For the location work for Daemons etc, you have Film-Video -16mm B/W film, before they even get to the issue of what colour signals to use, if that makes sense. The sound is also of a poorer bandwidth than that retained on Video format. In effect I imagine it is like trying to create a High Definition master from a third generation pirate videotape.... Yes, those are all good points. It's been a little while since I brushed up on the ins and outs of how this stuff works, so thanks for the interest-renewing reminder It sounds like they've really got their work cut out for them. Still, it means we've got some interesting restoration work to look forward to (Let's hope they include some location footage in the announcement trailer)
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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2020 0:15:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 21:00:05 GMT
Behind (the back of) the sofa indeed...
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