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Post by scriptortempore on Jan 12, 2020 21:43:20 GMT
Yeah I really have to agree! I was a colossal fan of the 11th Doctor Titan run and so to move from that to this is a real disappointment. The bar was set quite low imo, but I think this story was just fun! The art didn't have any weird faces as each issue normally does, and the plot didn't take itself too seriously. My biggest complaint was a lack of an "Incidentally a merry christmas to all of you at home" line, but ah well, at least IDW did it in their 11 specials! Haha, I waited forthat line, too, after all the effort to set it up! Yeah, well, the Titan 11th Doctor Comics were my favorites, too. They got really dark and gruesome and I just had not expected them to show what dark personality 11 was hiding. I was stunned, it completely subverted my expectations. I love it when Who goes dark. Hardly any of the other Who comics (apart from some of the serialised 8th Doctor ones with Izzy and Destrii) do even come close to what they did in those Titan 11th Doctor comics. So yeah, sadly, I did not expect that level of storytelling. But this was a definite improvement to the previous ones. The story was clever and as you say, it was fun. And, I am happy to say, Titan appears to be on a roll. I also finished the first issue of the comics of 13 meeting 10 and Oh. My. God. Mind blown. I had not expected that level of quality storytelling. On the surface it looks gimmicky, but it is really clever. It is basically the second half of the story of „Blink“. The one with 10 and Martha stranded in the past. It really builds great atmosphere and suspense and has a gripping cliffhanger. In general, this is the first 13th Doctor comic that I would call „gripping“ in general. Ah what how on earth have you got that? I'm subbed to it and titan (with no warning, which is seriously a massive issue with this company, the lack of communication. One of the creators wrote a continuation of the 10 comics whilst looking after their terminally ill mother and they still don't know if it'll see the light of day!) moved the release until this wednesday! Glad to hear it was good though!
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Post by newt5996 on Jan 12, 2020 22:08:19 GMT
Reading Lucifer Rising today and honestly loving it more than I did last time, almost enough to potentially rereview it, though I'm not sure if I'm going to or not. I love how Mortimore and Lane really make the setting come alive with different characters and how while the story is really important for the trajectory of the VNAs (perhaps more even than Deceit), it's pretty much a murder mystery.
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Post by constonks on Jan 13, 2020 0:47:23 GMT
Haha, you are in for a surprise. And yes, you are right, they will end up "elsewhere". Greater scope is involved, too.
However, I would not exactly compare it to "War Games". You will understand when you get there. I did read the synopsis of the unproduced film a long time ago so I already know there's a giant pinball table and the devil is involved! Luckily I seem to have forgotten everything else. Reading Lucifer Rising today and honestly loving it more than I did last time, almost enough to potentially rereview it, though I'm not sure if I'm going to or not. I love how Mortimore and Lane really make the setting come alive with different characters and how while the story is really important for the trajectory of the VNAs (perhaps more even than Deceit), it's pretty much a murder mystery. I also really liked Lucifer Rising (I just read it back in August) - as you said, the setting is very vibrant and intricate, instead of feeling like a generic spaceworld. Legion was an interesting villain as well - the descriptions of his extradimensional form (with all its strange body parts) have stuck with me since reading it. Definitely one to re-read when I'm done the rest of them in, what, a decade or so?
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 13, 2020 7:37:55 GMT
Haha, I waited forthat line, too, after all the effort to set it up! Yeah, well, the Titan 11th Doctor Comics were my favorites, too. They got really dark and gruesome and I just had not expected them to show what dark personality 11 was hiding. I was stunned, it completely subverted my expectations. I love it when Who goes dark. Hardly any of the other Who comics (apart from some of the serialised 8th Doctor ones with Izzy and Destrii) do even come close to what they did in those Titan 11th Doctor comics. So yeah, sadly, I did not expect that level of storytelling. But this was a definite improvement to the previous ones. The story was clever and as you say, it was fun. And, I am happy to say, Titan appears to be on a roll. I also finished the first issue of the comics of 13 meeting 10 and Oh. My. God. Mind blown. I had not expected that level of quality storytelling. On the surface it looks gimmicky, but it is really clever. It is basically the second half of the story of „Blink“. The one with 10 and Martha stranded in the past. It really builds great atmosphere and suspense and has a gripping cliffhanger. In general, this is the first 13th Doctor comic that I would call „gripping“ in general. Ah what how on earth have you got that? I'm subbed to it and titan (with no warning, which is seriously a massive issue with this company, the lack of communication. One of the creators wrote a continuation of the 10 comics whilst looking after their terminally ill mother and they still don't know if it'll see the light of day!) moved the release until this wednesday! Glad to hear it was good though! Well, I mostly get the digital versions of comics from Comixology. Mainly because of lack of space and because they provide a great comic reader for my iPad which is close to an animated slide show.
Digitally, it has been out for almost a week now. You are in for a treat. For once, the enthusiastic advertising does not lie.
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Post by newt5996 on Jan 13, 2020 18:18:41 GMT
Haha, you are in for a surprise. And yes, you are right, they will end up "elsewhere". Greater scope is involved, too.
However, I would not exactly compare it to "War Games". You will understand when you get there. I did read the synopsis of the unproduced film a long time ago so I already know there's a giant pinball table and the devil is involved! Luckily I seem to have forgotten everything else. Reading Lucifer Rising today and honestly loving it more than I did last time, almost enough to potentially rereview it, though I'm not sure if I'm going to or not. I love how Mortimore and Lane really make the setting come alive with different characters and how while the story is really important for the trajectory of the VNAs (perhaps more even than Deceit), it's pretty much a murder mystery. I also really liked Lucifer Rising (I just read it back in August) - as you said, the setting is very vibrant and intricate, instead of feeling like a generic spaceworld. Legion was an interesting villain as well - the descriptions of his extradimensional form (with all its strange body parts) have stuck with me since reading it. Definitely one to re-read when I'm done the rest of them in, what, a decade or so? Yeah the prologue with a touch of added dialogue makes a terrifying pre-credits sequence, and the tone overall is some of the harshest. I originally didn't like it as much as others, but I think that was because some of the deeper themes were lost on me as well as just how dark Lane and Mortimore go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 1:54:47 GMT
I did read the synopsis of the unproduced film a long time ago so I already know there's a giant pinball table and the devil is involved! Luckily I seem to have forgotten everything else. I also really liked Lucifer Rising (I just read it back in August) - as you said, the setting is very vibrant and intricate, instead of feeling like a generic spaceworld. Legion was an interesting villain as well - the descriptions of his extradimensional form (with all its strange body parts) have stuck with me since reading it. Definitely one to re-read when I'm done the rest of them in, what, a decade or so? Yeah the prologue with a touch of added dialogue makes a terrifying pre-credits sequence, and the tone overall is some of the harshest. I originally didn't like it as much as others, but I think that was because some of the deeper themes were lost on me as well as just how dark Lane and Mortimore go. They made a good pair, it kind of reminded me of Graeme Harper's work on Star Cops. A used, bruised future where you can feel the ship shake whenever it breaks orbit. Lucifer Rising feels like an essential New Adventure. The opening chapter where they start off writing it in a Target novelisation style, then add to it bit-by-bit until we get NA-style depth is very well-realised. As are the scenes where the Adjudicator runs through the Doctor's interactions with one of the guest characters and changes the tone of the scene by how the dialogue is organised. The space elevator's collapse is probably one of the range's best written action scenes. (It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, but there's a brief mention of music -- Grigori Glasst's Requiem -- playing while one of the characters mourns in their quarters. That music actually exists. It was composed by Jim Mortimore for the end of an Audio Visual story by Andy Lane. It's a deeply sad and moving song. Particularly if you know the whole story around why it was written and the Doctor's role in it. There are little nods and winks like that all over the New Adventures. I think Legacy might be the most prominent being based on an AV that was planned, but never recorded.)
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Post by newt5996 on Jan 15, 2020 2:45:43 GMT
Yeah the prologue with a touch of added dialogue makes a terrifying pre-credits sequence, and the tone overall is some of the harshest. I originally didn't like it as much as others, but I think that was because some of the deeper themes were lost on me as well as just how dark Lane and Mortimore go. They made a good pair, it kind of reminded me of Graeme Harper's work on Star Cops. A used, bruised future where you can feel the ship shake whenever it breaks orbit. Lucifer Rising feels like an essential New Adventure. The opening chapter where they start off writing it in a Target novelisation style, then add to it bit-by-bit until we get NA-style depth is very well-realised. As are the scenes where the Adjudicator runs through the Doctor's interactions with one of the guest characters and changes the tone of the scene by how the dialogue is organised. The space elevator's collapse is probably one of the range's best written action scenes. (It's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, but there's a brief mention of music -- Grigori Glasst's Requiem -- playing while one of the characters mourns in their quarters. That music actually exists. It was composed by Jim Mortimore for the end of an Audio Visual story by Andy Lane. It's a deeply sad and moving song. Particularly if you know the whole story around why it was written and the Doctor's role in it. There are little nods and winks like that all over the New Adventures. I think Legacy might be the most prominent being based on an AV that was planned, but never recorded.) Oh it most definitely is and the style really helps a lot making it such an easy read. Honestly in adapting it I'm planning of being as true as I can. Now that I've finished reading, I've finally gotten back to reading the BBC Books! I stopped mainly because December was really busy for me. I'm reading Revolution Man which is great so far. It deals with drug abuse and social unrest in a way that I feel is incredibly relevant to today and works as a great reflection of the mid/late 1960s.
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Post by constonks on Jan 21, 2020 7:13:31 GMT
Finished and reviewed Beltempest last night and while I genuinely enjoyed it, of all Mortimore's work it may be the weakest. There just aren't that many interesting characters which is odd considering his usual track record. Alright that's Beltempest done for me as well. I agree that the characters are the weakest part but the IDEAS - man. That is a book that goes to some strange, strange places and it goes there with confidence. Occasionally hard to wrap your head around and definitely worth a second read, Mortimore's story manages to contain a truly fascinating narrative for Sam and asks some interesting questions about life, death, religion without providing anything close to a prescriptive answer.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 21, 2020 13:13:44 GMT
I really want Titan to adapt some of the books as limited series
also reminds me i need to get back and finish Nightshade
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Post by constonks on Jan 22, 2020 9:08:16 GMT
I really want Titan to adapt some of the books as limited series also reminds me i need to get back and finish Nightshade I had a thought a while back about how it's a shame that DWM stopped doing their Virgin New Adventures comics during the Ace-and-Benny days, because we never got Chris and Roz in a comic - there's something about FUTURE SPACE COPS that screams comic book and yet...
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 22, 2020 12:35:55 GMT
I really want Titan to adapt some of the books as limited series also reminds me i need to get back and finish Nightshade I had a thought a while back about how it's a shame that DWM stopped doing their Virgin New Adventures comics during the Ace-and-Benny days, because we never got Chris and Roz in a comic - there's something about FUTURE SPACE COPS that screams comic book and yet... Definitely. I'd also just love an adapt of So Vile A Sin. That would be a huge comic
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Post by newt5996 on Jan 22, 2020 21:55:19 GMT
I had a thought a while back about how it's a shame that DWM stopped doing their Virgin New Adventures comics during the Ace-and-Benny days, because we never got Chris and Roz in a comic - there's something about FUTURE SPACE COPS that screams comic book and yet... Definitely. I'd also just love an adapt of So Vile A Sin. That would be a huge comic And an incredibly sad one. If I ever track down a copy of my own I'm rereviewing it with Damaged Goods because I don't think I did either of them justice
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Post by constonks on Jan 22, 2020 22:20:11 GMT
Definitely. I'd also just love an adapt of So Vile A Sin. That would be a huge comic And an incredibly sad one. If I ever track down a copy of my own I'm rereviewing it with Damaged Goods because I don't think I did either of them justice "If I ever" - isn't that the truth? The only two VNAs I haven't found - that and Happy Endings...
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Post by newt5996 on Jan 22, 2020 23:18:00 GMT
And an incredibly sad one. If I ever track down a copy of my own I'm rereviewing it with Damaged Goods because I don't think I did either of them justice "If I ever" - isn't that the truth? The only two VNAs I haven't found - that and Happy Endings... Amazon occasionally has decent prices in happy endings
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Post by constonks on Jan 23, 2020 1:35:57 GMT
"If I ever" - isn't that the truth? The only two VNAs I haven't found - that and Happy Endings... Amazon occasionally has decent prices in happy endings The lowest I've seen on .ca was still CDN$40 - doubt I'd go above $15 so I'll have to wait for a miracle. (That reminded me to do my daily check on my High Priority Amazon list - Happy Endings is currently $91.45! But it doesn't beat So Vile a Sin at $335.57!!)
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 23, 2020 14:43:04 GMT
Luckily got both of them lol
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 7, 2020 20:23:28 GMT
Continuing my journey through the comics.
Got Sixie and Frobisher in the "World Shapers". I really liked "Voyager" and adore the art work on Sixie and his companions. There seems to be a consensus on review sites that "World Shapers" is not as good as "Voyager", but I am now to find out. It has Sixie, Frobisher and Peri- how bad can it be?
Then I also got "Ground Zero"- exclusively for the 7th Doctor story and the (since then retconned) death (!!) of Ace. Not sure about the other stories, but the art looks alright.
And then there is "Emperor of the Daleks" featuring Abslom Daak and a team-up of Sixie and Seven. And apparently there is Benny in there, too. Plus, there are stories by Paul Cornell and Dan Abnett, whose writing I have adored in the past.
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 7, 2020 22:37:10 GMT
Continuing my journey through the comics. Got Sixie and Frobisher in the "World Shapers". I really liked "Voyager" and adore the art work on Sixie and his companions. There seems to be a consensus on review sites that "World Shapers" is not as good as "Voyager", but I am now to find out. It has Sixie, Frobisher and Peri- how bad can it be? Then I also got "Ground Zero"- exclusively for the 7th Doctor story and the (since then retconned) death (!!) of Ace. Not sure about the other stories, but the art looks alright. And then there is "Emperor of the Daleks" featuring Abslom Daak and a team-up of Sixie and Seven. And apparently there is Benny in there, too. Plus, there are stories by Paul Cornell and Dan Abnett, whose writing I have adored in the past. I love both volumes of the Sixth Doctor comics. Voyager (The story, not the volume) is just magnificent but The World Shapers has got some gems in it as well. The whole run only features a couple of duds, IMNSHO. I especially adore Warlord and (Name)’s Story as they try really hard to be deep but decide to settle on just being great fun instead. Both books are my comic book comfort reads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 0:45:43 GMT
Continuing my journey through the comics. Got Sixie and Frobisher in the "World Shapers". I really liked "Voyager" and adore the art work on Sixie and his companions. There seems to be a consensus on review sites that "World Shapers" is not as good as "Voyager", but I am now to find out. It has Sixie, Frobisher and Peri- how bad can it be? Then I also got "Ground Zero"- exclusively for the 7th Doctor story and the (since then retconned) death (!!) of Ace. Not sure about the other stories, but the art looks alright. And then there is "Emperor of the Daleks" featuring Abslom Daak and a team-up of Sixie and Seven. And apparently there is Benny in there, too. Plus, there are stories by Paul Cornell and Dan Abnett, whose writing I have adored in the past. I love both volumes of the Sixth Doctor comics. Voyager (The story, not the volume) is just magnificent but The World Shapers has got some gems in it as well. The whole run only features a couple of duds, IMNSHO. I especially adore Warlord and (Name)’s Story as they try really hard to be deep but decide to settle on just being great fun instead. Both books are my comic book comfort reads. Same. I think you have to be prepared for a style change between the two Voyager and The World Shapers volumes. Everything becomes a lot more grounded. Well, "grounded" in the Whovian sense. The way the stories are told is much closer to the sci-fi of the television series than Parkhouse's high fantasy, but there's tonnes to enjoy. The sheer variety on display makes it feel like there's something new every week. Oh, Emperor of the Daleks is brilliant. By every conceivable metric, it shouldn't work as a story. But, it's Paul Cornell (and it's Doctor Who's 30 th anniversary), so it does so with flying colours. I think it was his first full-length Dalek story too.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 12, 2020 21:22:47 GMT
The second release of the 10th/ 13th Doctor crossover. Taking place in 1969 while Martha and 10 were marooned during Blink. This is very well done. It might sound as a gimmick at first, but it is well written and paced and the art is decent. Everybody gets something to do, even Yaz is up to her series 12 recklessness. And it is faithful and creative with the source material (Blink). I wonder where they are going with this and how they are going to resolve this to preserve the series 3 timeline.
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