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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:12:49 GMT
I have seen it said elsewhere that Phil Ford has said SJA audios will never happen, and it has been suggested that he, RTD and GR decided after Elisabeth's passing that the show would not be continued in any format.
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Post by omega on Jan 3, 2018 18:18:40 GMT
I think a good comparison to Class is Stargate Universe. Both shows were treated well by the network broadcasting them and did start out with valid criticisms, but improved. SGU got really good in the second season, delivering some fantastic episodes in that last stretch (Epilogue is masterful and touching). Enough time has passed to judge the episodes as they are, not just in the circumstances they were broadcast in (SyFy was broadcasting wrestling!). I'm sure Class will be reevaluated in the same way. Do you mean 'weren't' treated well? Because Class was treated very poorly. Putting it on BBC3 Online was a mistake. Phone typing, we all make typos.
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Post by omega on Jan 3, 2018 18:22:11 GMT
The BBC invested time and money in its creation, promoted it and broadcast it. They can't force people to watch if they think it's rubbish. Advertising was sparse, and adverts failed to make it clear that it's a Doctor Who spin-off. Nobody was ever going to watch it after the terrible promotion it got. It got a DVD and Blu Ray release in the US before TV broadcasts (notable considering how fast Doctor Whomis shown overseas after initial broadcast now).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:25:05 GMT
BBC Three's first online-only drama, Thirteen, was a great success because of its release schedule, promotion, prompt broadcasts on BBC2 primetime and high quality. That proved that new shows on the online-only BBC3 could be a great success if handled right. Although not dramas, Cuckoo, People Just Do Nothing and Josh have also continued to have success since the online move.
Class failed because of a muddled release schedule, poor promotion, receiving late-night broadcasts on BBC1 months afterwards, and low quality.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 18:28:59 GMT
I have seen it said elsewhere that Phil Ford has said SJA audios will never happen, and it has been suggested that he, RTD and GR decided after Elisabeth's passing that the show would not be continued in any format. That's a shame. Hopefully if so they change their minds before long and see a one-off audio drama box set as a nice tribute to Elisabeth Sladen rather than a disrespectful release.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 18:53:19 GMT
BBC Three's first online-only drama, Thirteen, was a great success because of its release schedule, promotion, prompt broadcasts on BBC2 primetime and high quality. That proved that new shows on the online-only BBC3 could be a great success if handled right. Although not dramas, Cuckoo, People Just Do Nothing and Josh have also continued to have success since the online move. Class failed because of a muddled release schedule, poor promotion, receiving late-night broadcasts on BBC1 months afterwards, and low quality. Compared to Amazon Prime and Netflix shows which BBC3 Online is competing for attention with that's nothing. I think if you compared all three's streaming views you'd find BBC3 Online would be the least watched. I don't think the BBC should be even attempting to compete with Amazon Prime and Netflix, and nobody will ever change my mind on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:53:18 GMT
BBC Three's first online-only drama, Thirteen, was a great success because of its release schedule, promotion, prompt broadcasts on BBC2 primetime and high quality. That proved that new shows on the online-only BBC3 could be a great success if handled right. Although not dramas, Cuckoo, People Just Do Nothing and Josh have also continued to have success since the online move. Class failed because of a muddled release schedule, poor promotion, receiving late-night broadcasts on BBC1 months afterwards, and low quality. Compared to Amazon Prime and Netflix shows which BBC3 Online is competing for attention with that's nothing. I think if you compared all three's streaming views you'd find BBC3 Online would be the least watched. I don't think the BBC should be even attempting to compete with Amazon Prime and Netflix, and nobody will ever change my mind on that. But BBC3 isn't trying to compete with Prime or Netflix though, nor is the BBC. In facct they are collaborating with both on shows.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 3, 2018 21:00:15 GMT
Compared to Amazon Prime and Netflix shows which BBC3 Online is competing for attention with that's nothing. I think if you compared all three's streaming views you'd find BBC3 Online would be the least watched. I don't think the BBC should be even attempting to compete with Amazon Prime and Netflix, and nobody will ever change my mind on that. But BBC3 isn't trying to compete with Prime or Netflix though, nor is the BBC. In facct they are collaborating with both on shows. Any streaming service is technically competing with Amazon Prime and Netflix, just like any TV channel is technically competing with the other channels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:24:28 GMT
But BBC3 isn't trying to compete with Prime or Netflix though, nor is the BBC. In facct they are collaborating with both on shows. Any streaming service is technically competing with Amazon Prime and Netflix, just like any TV channel is technically competing with the other channels. Well then that makes your argument pointless as it is now reduced to such a vague technical definition. Anyway, back on topic. There will be no SJA audio drama. There is not an audience for it.
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Post by relativetime on Jan 4, 2018 4:33:50 GMT
I think there's a case to be made for giving Jo Jones her own boxset and bringing in the kids from The Sarah Jane Adventures set after Series 5. Having an entire boxset following some of the adventures Jo got up to around 2005 would be a lot of fun, actually. I don't think I'd want an entire range out of it and I would much rather have more Third Doctor Adventures sets instead, but I see some definite potential there.
But having an entire boxset set during The Sarah Jane Adventures with no Sarah Jane and only members of the supporting cast to hold it up? I'm not all that interested, frankly. I'm not saying the remaining cast of the series doesn't have a place at Big Finish, but I don't think them by themselves have as much of a draw as the companions do in Doctor Who.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 4, 2018 10:39:38 GMT
I think there's a case to be made for giving Jo Jones her own boxset and bringing in the kids from The Sarah Jane Adventures set after Series 5. Having an entire boxset following some of the adventures Jo got up to around 2005 would be a lot of fun, actually. I don't think I'd want an entire range out of it and I would much rather have more Third Doctor Adventures sets instead, but I see some definite potential there. I suppose the problem there is that you're effectively replacing Sarah Jane. I think they could have done it on TV whilst Elisabeth Sladen was alive though, and renamed it after each companion. That way the show could have gone on forever.
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Post by constonks on Jan 8, 2018 16:21:27 GMT
Honestly I think the best option for continuing this series is not audio or TV (where the lack of Lis is always going to be an issue and a spectre looming over the releases) but novels or short stories. While the BBC will probably never do that, a company like Candy Jar might see a benefit of building their own SJA novel series. The only issue would be, as with Lethbridge-Stewart, Erimem, Bernice Summerfield, Time Hunter, etc... there could be no mentions of or appearances by the Doctor.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 8, 2018 18:53:08 GMT
Honestly I think the best option for continuing this series is not audio or TV (where the lack of Lis is always going to be an issue and as spectre looking over the releases) but novels or short stories. While the BBC will probably never do that, a company like Candy Jar might see a benefit of building their own SJA novel series. The only issue would be, as with Lethbridge-Stewart, Erimem, Bernice Summerfield, Time Hunter, etc... there could be no mentions of or appearances by the Doctor. For the win.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 8, 2018 23:40:51 GMT
Honestly I think the best option for continuing this series is not audio or TV (where the lack of Lis is always going to be an issue and a spectre looming over the releases) but novels or short stories. While the BBC will probably never do that, a company like Candy Jar might see a benefit of building their own SJA novel series. The only issue would be, as with Lethbridge-Stewart, Erimem, Bernice Summerfield, Time Hunter, etc... there could be no mentions of or appearances by the Doctor. They can get around that by referring to a man wearing an unusually long scarf, or a woman wearing a stripey graphic shirt.
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Post by constonks on Jan 9, 2018 1:58:28 GMT
Honestly I think the best option for continuing this series is not audio or TV (where the lack of Lis is always going to be an issue and a spectre looming over the releases) but novels or short stories. While the BBC will probably never do that, a company like Candy Jar might see a benefit of building their own SJA novel series. The only issue would be, as with Lethbridge-Stewart, Erimem, Bernice Summerfield, Time Hunter, etc... there could be no mentions of or appearances by the Doctor. They can get around that by referring to a man wearing an unusually long scarf, or a woman wearing a stripey graphic shirt. Well yes they can do that (as Candy Jar mentions a Cosmic Hobo) but of course it couldn't be anything more than little references - Sarah says "when I was travelling, I went to the planet X..." etc. We couldn't have another Wedding of Sarah Jane or Death of the Doctor. But those were never the main thrust of the SJA anyway.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 9, 2018 8:09:31 GMT
I wouldn’t mind seeing Titan take on SJA, but I’m not really interested in any audios that don’t have Sladen. Overall, I can live without more SJA. The show was fine, but I never really loved it. It was still infinitely better than Class though.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 9, 2018 10:05:04 GMT
They can get around that by referring to a man wearing an unusually long scarf, or a woman wearing a stripey graphic shirt. Well yes they can do that (as Candy Jar mentions a Cosmic Hobo) but of course it couldn't be anything more than little references - Sarah says "when I was travelling, I went to the planet X..." etc. We couldn't have another Wedding of Sarah Jane or Death of the Doctor. But those were never the main thrust of the SJA anyway. She could pass a man with sneakers and a long coat in the street.
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Post by omega on Jan 9, 2018 10:08:45 GMT
I wouldn’t mind seeing Titan take on SJA, but I’m not really interested in any audios that don’t have Sladen. Overall, I can live without more SJA. The show was fine, but I never really loved it. It was still infinitely better than Class though. Drop the Torchwood title and do a Sarah Jane title, I'd go in for that. Testing the waters by adapting one of the three unmade series 5 stories in the comic strip medium would be cool.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 10, 2018 8:32:12 GMT
Maybe Luke could turn up in the next UNIT on work experience with Osgood?:-)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 10, 2018 8:48:08 GMT
Maybe Luke could turn up in the next UNIT on work experience with Osgood?:-) That would be cool. Clyde could be in a Time War box set too, with the Time Lord's trying to use his arton energy as a weapon and the Eighth Doctor protecting him.
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