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Post by bobod on Jan 9, 2018 22:20:23 GMT
It's a design TRIUMPH!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 22:24:54 GMT
Completely and utterlly unironically with Sean on this. The Kandyman is wonderfully nasty.
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Post by Max Kashevsky on Jan 9, 2018 22:40:28 GMT
If they'd filmed The Happiness Patrol in black and white, I think more fans would "get" what it was doing.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:05:24 GMT
Just look at him! Pathetic!  If by pathetic you mean BRILLIANT then yes, I agree completely. No I don't. If I meant brilliant I would have said brilliant not pathetic. |
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Post by dorney on Jan 9, 2018 23:06:10 GMT
I think the Happiness Patrol in general suffered from fans deciding in advance it was going to be silly rubbish and embarassing (after a divisive 24th season) and not noticing that it’s a lot more sophisticated than that. Even now, I think that lingers. But the design, the script, everything about it, really, is brilliant, in my opinion. One of the best things old Doctor Who ever did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:06:24 GMT
If they'd filmed The Happiness Patrol in black and white, I think more fans would "get" what it was doing. Doubt it, they would have probably wondered why a programme that had been broadcast in colour was suddenly now in b & w. With a pathetic silly baddie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:29:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 23:31:18 GMT
Forgive the size, I'm not very good at uploading pictures, but this ^ is my own drawing of The Kandyman. Surely that's the stuff of child's nightmares?  |
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Post by pazzer on Jan 9, 2018 23:32:08 GMT
Loved the Kandyman at the time and think he sounds great in the trailer.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 10, 2018 0:32:54 GMT
That's amazing, that is quite creepy. With this and the black and white photo above, I think that The Happiness Patrol would be a lot more appreciated. |
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 10, 2018 0:36:14 GMT
I think the Happiness Patrol in general suffered from fans deciding in advance it was going to be silly rubbish and embarassing (after a divisive 24th season) and not noticing that it’s a lot more sophisticated than that. Even now, I think that lingers. But the design, the script, everything about it, really, is brilliant, in my opinion. One of the best things old Doctor Who ever did. Very well said. I stand by the fact that Happiness Patrol is actually top of the line 7th Doctor, if not the best. On the costume, however, I can definitely tell you that as a kid, this is one of the scariest monsters from the 80's based on it being so recognizable as something you love, but horribly homicidal and evil. |
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Post by mrperson on Jan 10, 2018 0:47:52 GMT
I think the Happiness Patrol in general suffered from fans deciding in advance it was going to be silly rubbish and embarassing (after a divisive 24th season) and not noticing that it’s a lot more sophisticated than that. Even now, I think that lingers. But the design, the script, everything about it, really, is brilliant, in my opinion. One of the best things old Doctor Who ever did. I think if it had been done in audio, it would have gone over much better. (Edit: Well, for me. Others seem to love the guy). It's strangely divisive, especially the Kandyman. I didn't like it as a kid and I didn't like it as an adult, even though the overall themes were quite good. (Then again, I'm a bit of an odd one. As a kid, mind you, I actually cheered at Earthshock's conclusion. I think I must have been the only one). Something or some things about the episode continually rubbed me the wrong way, particularly the way it looked - and, I'm well aware of the silliness in objecting to the way things looked in the classical series. "Ark in Space" bubble-wrap? "Creature from the Pit" Etc. Nonetheless, the Kandyman struck me as simply absurd-looking. I just couldn't get past it. |
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Post by escalus5 on Jan 10, 2018 2:25:53 GMT
"The Happiness Patrol" is one of my favorites of the McCoy era (I also love the much derided "Paradise Towers," another one shot entirely on cheesy sound stages) and the Kandy Man is unforgettable, like him or not. I don't find the character very frightening, but every time he shrieks "GILBERT!!" I nearly fall out of my chair laughing. Also, McCoy using lemonade to pin the Kandy Man's feet to the floor is classic stuff.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 10, 2018 9:15:35 GMT
Now we got another four more box sets with the Eighth Doctor, when i said Big Finish take my debit card i didn't mean literally milk it, still it's Christmas money well spent though.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 10, 2018 9:17:32 GMT
Looks nothin like Tony Todd  , seriously though this is awesome. |
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Post by rran on Jan 10, 2018 9:18:31 GMT
Upcoming birthday present for me  |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 10, 2018 12:52:01 GMT
I've never really understood the hate for the Kandyman. I always found him incredibly chilling and unnerving, to be honest (and that voice :shivers:) and he's exactly something Moffatt would have done during his reign. Just look at him! Pathetic! In the bblack and white pics and drawings people have posted he looks freaky. Here though he looks like he's saying
"I'm getting really tired of your s**t Margaret"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 14:44:00 GMT
In the bblack and white pics and drawings people have posted he looks freaky. Here though he looks like he's saying
"I'm getting really tired of your s**t Margaret"
Haha! To be fair to the man of Kandy, I think if you took a picture of virtually any Doctor Who monster waiting for his cue, or in rehearsels (as this pic seems to be), it wouldn't be particularly flattering. I'm not saying he wasn't a controversial looking fellow, but he usually looks more dynamic than this. Poor old Kandy flower - he looks positively wilted  |
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Post by number13 on Jan 10, 2018 14:44:45 GMT
I've enjoyed reading this Kandyman thread (as it has become) even if I don't agree with the praise of him! The bulk of seasons 24 & 25 are my only really bad memory of classic 'Doctor Who'. Whatever they were trying to do with the show in those seasons, I didn't like what it did for the science fiction and I doubt it helped the show's chances of survival. By this point I'd sat through three (IMO) bad to very bad Seventh Doctor stories, then enjoyed 'Dragonfire' which cheered me up at season 24's end and gave me hope for the next season. Then the excellence (and it was a huge relief to see 'Doctor Who' still had it) of 'Remembrance of the Daleks'. The Seventh Doctor's 'Talons' - his best story which eventually gave us a brilliant spin-off in 'Counter-Measures'. And Ace biffing a Dalek! And then came 'The Happiness Patrol'. For the first time in the classic era I actually didn't watch the rest of the season and very nearly gave up 'Doctor Who' completely with unhappiness at the direction it was going. And I wasn't the only one. The irony is that (presumably thanks to stories like this in the previous two years), by the start of season 26 audiences for 'Doctor Who' were at their lowest ever, so the big improvement of the final season came too late to save it because people simply weren't watching any more. The much-discussed return of the Brig. tempted me back for 'Battlefield' so I was there to enjoy season 26 before the end; not all perfect but some of it came very close. But classic 'Doctor Who' was still brought down as we all now know and I still believe that those two seasons provided if not the reason, at least the perfect excuse. (Having said all that, I have considerable faith that BF can make any element from the show work on audio. Maybe even that one!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 14:53:19 GMT
I've enjoyed reading this Kandyman thread (as it has become) even if I don't agree with the praise of him! The bulk of seasons 24 & 25 are my only really bad memory of classic 'Doctor Who'. Whatever they were trying to do with the show in those seasons, I didn't like what it did for the science fiction and I doubt it helped the show's chances of survival. By this point I'd sat through three (IMO) bad to very bad Seventh Doctor stories, then enjoyed 'Dragonfire' which cheered me up at season 24's end and gave me hope for the next season. Then the excellence (and it was a huge relief to see 'Doctor Who' still had it) of 'Remembrance of the Daleks'. The Seventh Doctor's 'Talons' - his best story which eventually gave us a brilliant spin-off in 'Counter-Measures'. And Ace biffing a Dalek! And then came 'The Happiness Patrol'. For the first time in the classic era I actually didn't watch the rest of the season and very nearly gave up 'Doctor Who' completely with unhappiness at the direction it was going. And I wasn't the only one. The irony is that (presumably thanks to stories like this in the previous two years), by the start of season 26 audiences for 'Doctor Who' were at their lowest ever, so the big improvement of the final season came too late to save it because people simply weren't watching any more. The much-discussed return of the Brig. tempted me back for 'Battlefield' so I was there to enjoy season 26 before the end; not all perfect but some of it came very close. But classic 'Doctor Who' was still brought down as we all now know and I still believe that those two seasons provided if not the reason, at least the perfect excuse. My memory - and I'm sorry for straying - is that Series 24 marked a huge improvement in Doctor Who. I'd loved Series 22, felt that Series 23 was more of the same, just heavily diluted, and Series 24 was redefining the series as a kind of moving comic-strip version of Doctor Who with a very visual new Doctor who managed to be quite unlike any Who had gone before. Time and the Rani still baffles me, but looks great. Paradise Towers, Delta and Dragonfire all seemed to be pushing in a new direction for the show - still managing to contain scary elements, but far more subtley than the recent years that had apparently earned the ire of Michael Grade. Series 25 and 26 did what Doctor Who does best for me - a hugely varied selection of stories and styles. Only Who could follow the spectacular crowd-pleasing excellence of Remembrance of the Daleks with the almost surreal child's nightmare of the Happiness Patrol (which also manged to contain a veiled satire on the current political regime at the time). I loved Who throughout this era - even when the budget affected it adversely, I could still enjoy what it was trying to do. Sorry to go on, but The Kandyman was/is a shining example of that (never predictable, never safe, even down to his soft centre), and for that reason I'm really looking forward to Ravenous (see, I managed to steer it back on topic)! |
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, seriously though this is awesome.
