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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 24, 2018 17:23:15 GMT
There's been a lot of discussion lately about the idea of a new series pure historical. What would yours be?
Personally, I've got P.T. Barnum on my brain now after seeing The Greatest Showman so I would probably opt for:
"The Woman Who Fell From The Sky"
Doctor: Jodie Whittaker Companions: Graham, Yasmin, Ryan Guest actors: Brian Conley (P.T. Barnum), Catherine Zeta-Jones (Bearded Lady), Warwick Davies (Tom Thumb), Brían F. O'Byrne (Irish Giant), Ruth Lorenzo (Jenny Lind)
Plot: The TARDIS has another fit, causing the Doctor (Jodie Whittaker) to fall from great height into the middle of 19th Century America. P.T. Barnum (Brian Conley) witnesses this extraordinary event and invites her to join his circus as 'The Woman Who Fell From The Sky'.
There she meets the Bearded Lady (Catherine Zeta-Jones), Tom Thumb (Warwick Davies) and the Irish Giant (F. O'Byrne), 'freaks' in P.T. Barnum's circus. Barnum wants the Doctor's act to be 'a spectacular display of strength and invulnerability as The Woman Who Fell From The Sky is blasted out of a cannon and into the air, landing with great precision as the crowd applaud her miraculous survival!'
Meanwhile, the TARDIS rematerialises in Buckingham Palace during the 19th Century with Graham, Yasmin and Ryan on-board. They didn't fall out as they were deeper inside the TARDIS among the corridors a long way from the doors during the ship's fit. They overhear Queen Victoria (cameo role) express her desire to meet P.T. Barnum to one of her consorts.
P.T. Barnum receives a summons to meet the Queen. He agrees, but upon receiving a text from Ryan stating the TARDIS took them to Buckingham Palace the Doctor insists that they as his acts all join him too. Upon arrival, the Doctor joins back up with Graham, Yasmin and Ryan and they follow P.T. Barnum and gang through to meet the Queen. P.T. Barnum asks Ryan to join the circus. Ryan asks why and P.T. Barnum says 'people pay good money to see freaks at my show'. The Doctor interjects and threatens to quit the circus if Barnum displays any more racist behaviour towards his companions.
At Buckingham Palace, Barnum meets opera singer Jenny Lind (Ruth Lorenzo) and offers to take her back to perform in America. She agrees, and the Doctor offers to transport them all in the TARDIS.
After Jenny's first opera performance, the freaks are dismayed when Barnum doesn't allow them to mingle with the guests because of their differences. The Doctor tries to reason with Barnum, but he refuses to let the freaks anywhere near the guests. The freaks are furious and start revolting, and a riot breaks out which the Doctor and her companions try to break up. Many - both freaks and guests - end up with serious injuries.
The riots make all the newspapers the next day, and Barnum sacks the Doctor, believing her to be the cause. The newspapers leave the locals unsettled by the freaks and come night they protest outside Barnum's circus with flame torches. A massive fight breaks out between the freaks and the protesters, with Graham, Ryan and Yasmin trying to break it up whilst the Doctor enters the circus to inform Barnum of what's going on.
Barnum leaves in full ringmaster garb and instructs the freaks to stop. They obey; Barnum stands inbetween the freaks and the protesters and pleads them to leave his 'family' alone. The Doctor whirrs her Sonic to scare them [as in the protesters, just struck me that could be unclear] off and they scarper at the sound of 'witchcraft'.
Later, Barnum apologises to his group of freaks for how he has treated them and offers to give the Doctor her job at the circus back. She refuses his offer and leaves with her companions in the TARDIS.
What would your pure historical be?
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 24, 2018 20:51:26 GMT
Ohh,dear!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 24, 2018 21:03:54 GMT
That's not a new series historical idea.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 24, 2018 21:08:58 GMT
“The Great Game”
It’s 1857 and the Great Game, politics on a grand scale, rages between Britain and the Russians. One man, Lord Fenton Rutherbridge, tries to build a bridge between the two nations in the name of his Queen. He invites trusted representatives of all involved parties to his estate ... only for them to be murdered one by one. A suspect was caught, but surely a woman couldn’t be responsible for such heanous crimes, even if she does have the affrontery to claim to be a Doctor ....
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 24, 2018 21:25:56 GMT
Ah yes, the Batlle of Ohh'Dearr: 1852, fought between the Sixty-fifth Coalition and the United Egyptian-Irish Empire on the plains of West Surrey. Napoleon the 28th scored a decisive victory over President Garfield McKinnon when his Peanut Butter Brigade rallied and obliterated the President's Hot Butter Unit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 21:36:23 GMT
1931, the dawning of talking movies, or 'talkies' as they were known. Many actors, prominent in the silent era, found themselves unable to make the transition from silents to talkies, whilst others managed to combine both without a problem. But there was a problem - talking pictures, especially the horror films, frightened cinema-goers unreasonably. Rows of audience members could not get used to the sounds of wind, rain, approaching footsteps and disembodied voices, and were peering round the stalls to see where the noise was coming from.
Some said that talking pictures was a demonic concept, possessed of evil spirits, that beings from other dimensions were trying to infiltrate the minds of the innocent. Of course, this was all debunked as nonsense by reasonable-thinking movie pioneers, eager not to let bad press sabotage their expensive filmic projects. And after all, we all know that sounds in these early movies were always the whims and arrangements of artistic types - actors, producers, directors, etc. - and not some crazed, paranoid dream of other-worldly suggestion ...
... don't we?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 22:25:09 GMT
There's been a lot of discussion lately about the idea of a new series pure historical. What would yours be? Personally, I've got P.T. Barnum on my brain now after seeing The Greatest Showman so I would probably opt for: "The Woman Who Fell From The Sky" Doctor: Jodie Whittaker Companions: Graham, Yasmin, Ryan Guest actors: Brian Conley (P.T. Barnum), Catherine Zeta-Jones (Bearded Lady), Warwick Davies (Tom Thumb), Brían F. O'Byrne (Irish Giant), Ruth Lorenzo (Jenny Lind) Plot: The TARDIS has another fit, causing the Doctor (Jodie Whittaker) to fall from great height into the middle of 19th Century America. P.T. Barnum (Brian Conley) witnesses this extraordinary event and invites her to join his circus as 'The Woman Who Fell From The Sky'. There she meets the Bearded Lady (Catherine Zeta-Jones), Tom Thumb (Warwick Davies) and the Irish Giant (F. O'Byrne), 'freaks' in P.T. Barnum's circus. Barnum wants the Doctor's act to be 'a spectacular display of strength and invulnerability as The Woman Who Fell From The Sky is blasted out of a cannon and into the air, landing with great precision as the crowd applaud her miraculous survival!' Meanwhile, the TARDIS rematerialises in Buckingham Palace during the 19th Century with Graham, Yasmin and Ryan on-board. They didn't fall out as they were deeper inside the TARDIS among the corridors a long way from the doors during the ship's fit. They overhear Queen Victoria (cameo role) express her desire to meet P.T. Barnum to one of her consorts. P.T. Barnum receives a summons to meet the Queen. He agrees, but upon receiving a text from Ryan stating the TARDIS took them to Buckingham Palace the Doctor insists that they as his acts all join him too. Upon arrival, the Doctor joins back up with Graham, Yasmin and Ryan and they follow P.T. Barnum and gang through to meet the Queen. P.T. Barnum asks Ryan to join the circus. Ryan asks why and P.T. Barnum says 'people pay good money to see freaks at my show'. The Doctor interjects and threatens to quit the circus if Barnum displays any more racist behaviour towards his companions. At Buckingham Palace, Barnum meets opera singer Jenny Lind (Ruth Lorenzo) and offers to take her back to perform in America. She agrees, and the Doctor offers to transport them all in the TARDIS. After Jenny's first opera performance, the freaks are dismayed when Barnum doesn't allow them to mingle with the guests because of their differences. The Doctor tries to reason with Barnum, but he refuses to let the freaks anywhere near the guests. The freaks are furious and start revolting, and a riot breaks out which the Doctor and her companions try to break up. Many - both freaks and guests - end up with serious injuries. The riots make all the newspapers the next day, and Barnum sacks the Doctor, believing her to be the cause. The newspapers leave the locals unsettled by the freaks and come night they protest outside Barnum's circus with flame torches. A massive fight breaks out between the freaks and the protesters, with Graham, Ryan and Yasmin trying to break it up whilst the Doctor enters the circus to inform Barnum of what's going on. Barnum leaves in full ringmaster garb and instructs the freaks to stop. They obey; Barnum stands inbetween the freaks and the protesters and pleads them to leave his 'family' alone. The Doctor whirrs her Sonic to scare them off and they scarper at the sound of 'witchcraft'. Later, Barnum apologises to his group of freaks for how he has treated them and offers to give the Doctor her job at the circus back. She refuses his offer and leaves with her companions in the TARDIS. What would your pure historical be? Kids won't be interested in this.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 24, 2018 22:37:16 GMT
Barnum leaves in full ringmaster garb and instructs the freaks to stop. They obey; Barnum stands inbetween the freaks and the protesters and pleads them to leave his 'family' alone. The Doctor whirrs her Sonic to scare them off and they scarper at the sound of 'witchcraft'. Later, Barnum apologises to his group of freaks for how he has treated them and offers to give the Doctor her job at the circus back. She refuses his offer and leaves with her companions in the TARDIS. What would your pure historical be? Kids won't be interested in this. No, no, no, we are not doing this routine again. Thank you.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 24, 2018 22:40:25 GMT
Avoiding that car crash, I would like to finally see a TV Houdini story. In fact, we haven't really done something about stage magic in Who in.... ooh.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 24, 2018 23:41:43 GMT
I can't win here. I try to create a thread humouring an idea I don't agree with, and people still get in little digs about what I said RE not believing a new series historical could work in the other thread.
If you don't like my P.T. Barnum idea, fine. But I feel like some on here are starting to gang up and it's becoming uncomfortably personal; why don't we all act like adults and post in a reasonable way?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 5:41:23 GMT
It's an incredibly vague idea, but I'd be interested in seeing something done with Bactria. It was a province in Afghanistan that carried on Greek traditions for three centuries in isolation after Alexander conquered it:
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 25, 2018 13:57:33 GMT
It's an incredibly vague idea, but I'd be interested in seeing something done with Bactria. It was a province in Afghanistan that carried on Greek traditions for three centuries in isolation after Alexander conquered it: Or the Hellenestic Period in general. Ptolomies and Selucids could be cool.
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Post by fingersmash on Jan 25, 2018 14:28:44 GMT
It's an incredibly vague idea, but I'd be interested in seeing something done with Bactria. It was a province in Afghanistan that carried on Greek traditions for three centuries in isolation after Alexander conquered it: Or the Hellenestic Period in general. Ptolomies and Selucids could be cool. The kidnapping of Helen of Sparta (better known as Helen of Troy but I want a realistic) would be an interesting pure historical. Actually, there are a lot of pure and pseudo historicals I'd like to see. What happened to the (insert any lost civilization here)? I'd actually like to see a P.T. Barnum story but I think if any historical should have a monster, it'd be one with P.T. Barnum The Chinese Civil War would be an interesting era to see. How has Ghandi or the British rule of India not appeared on Doctor Who yet? Virginia Wolf and the Doctor walk into a bar... Joseph McCarthy and the Communist Witch hunt anyone? And bouncing off that, a James Bond Cold War spy thriller set between Washington DC and Moscow. So many historical stories the Doctor hasn't come to yet...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:36:59 GMT
Or the Hellenestic Period in general. Ptolomies and Selucids could be cool. How has Ghandi or the British rule of India not appeared on Doctor Who yet? BUDGET! Sadly, due to Brexit, I don't think we're going to see Doctor Who film overseas anytime soon.... I doubt the revival is ever going to do a pure historical story. That's not what Doctor Who is known for, sadly, although who knows, maybe in a novel one day?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 26, 2018 9:51:17 GMT
How has Ghandi or the British rule of India not appeared on Doctor Who yet? BUDGET! Sadly, due to Brexit, I don't think we're going to see Doctor Who film overseas anytime soon.... I doubt the revival is ever going to do a pure historical story. That's not what Doctor Who is known for, sadly, although who knows, maybe in a novel one day? You mean after this Series?
They've just spent over 2 weeks in South Africa
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:53:57 GMT
BUDGET! Sadly, due to Brexit, I don't think we're going to see Doctor Who film overseas anytime soon.... I doubt the revival is ever going to do a pure historical story. That's not what Doctor Who is known for, sadly, although who knows, maybe in a novel one day? You mean after this Series?
They've just spent over 2 weeks in South Africa
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I CAN BE WRONG. I AM SO HAPPY TO BE WRONG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 10:15:45 GMT
You mean after this Series?
They've just spent over 2 weeks in South Africa
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I CAN BE WRONG. I AM SO HAPPY TO BE WRONG I'm reeeeally curious if Cape Town is going to play directly into an upcoming story or if it's another stand-in location like Lanzarote being the Moon. Either way, it's looking very good.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 27, 2018 1:39:53 GMT
a James Bond Cold War spy thriller set between Washington DC and Moscow. Yeah, I can actually see it. A fun romp full of intrigue and double cross, while sneaking nuggets about all the real life espionage, gadgets and networks spies of the time employed. Maybe even find a way to squeeze Ian Fleming in there, somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 9:02:43 GMT
a James Bond Cold War spy thriller set between Washington DC and Moscow. Yeah, I can actually see it. A fun romp full of intrigue and double cross, while sneaking nuggets about all the real life espionage, gadgets and networks spies of the time employed. Maybe even find a way to squeeze Ian Fleming in there, somewhere. If not for the New Series, there's a very Third Doctor-style tale in that somewhere. Maybe tie that into the blown operation with Eugene Karp, who was killed on and dumped from the Orient Express with papers about blown States' undercover operations in the Eastern Bloc. Something in those papers links to Fleming's naval days, pulling him in from Goldeneye in Jamaica and the Doctor as well. It'd give Jo the ability to use her training as a spy or Liz her skills as a scientist. Fleming wrote a tonne about a diamond smuggling ring out of South Africa which could be incorporated too. It'd be cute if the titular car from Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang was inadvertently inspired by Bessie.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 31, 2018 11:52:38 GMT
I would like to finally see a TV Houdini story. In fact, we haven't really done something about stage magic in Who in.... ooh. Or Walford Bodie. Read him up, interesting guy. Pioneer of electricity in magic acts.
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