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Post by kurumais on Jan 25, 2018 21:51:29 GMT
the more i think about it the more i want a spinoff where susan regenerates into a kick ass dalek killer known as the WAR SUSAN who joins gallifrey's special forces
along with the war rani and the war monk
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 22:42:26 GMT
Doesn't appeal to me.
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Post by jasonward on Jan 25, 2018 23:24:19 GMT
"War" as a general prefix? The point of the War Doctor was to provide a break that allowed The Doctor to act and behave in ways The Doctor would normally not. Now whilst that is often the sort of thing you see in war (the unacceptable becomes acceptable) using the prefix that allowed that change in The Doctor devalues the whole thing, and breaks the sense of shock associated with it, prefixing Timelords with "War" makes them no different, and provokes no more thought than a "War Dalek".
So, I'm very much no on this idea.
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Post by Digi on Jan 26, 2018 0:27:42 GMT
"War" as a general prefix? The point of the War Doctor was to provide a break that allowed The Doctor to act and behave in ways The Doctor would normally not. Now whilst that is often the sort of thing you see in war (the unacceptable becomes acceptable) using the prefix that allowed that change in The Doctor devalues the whole thing, and breaks the sense of shock associated with it, prefixing Timelords with "War" makes them no different, and provokes no more thought than a "War Dalek". So, I'm very much no on this idea. Nitpick: "War Master"
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Post by jasonward on Jan 26, 2018 1:00:51 GMT
"War" as a general prefix? The point of the War Doctor was to provide a break that allowed The Doctor to act and behave in ways The Doctor would normally not. Now whilst that is often the sort of thing you see in war (the unacceptable becomes acceptable) using the prefix that allowed that change in The Doctor devalues the whole thing, and breaks the sense of shock associated with it, prefixing Timelords with "War" makes them no different, and provokes no more thought than a "War Dalek". So, I'm very much no on this idea. Nitpick: "War Master" For me, that's a mistake made by BF, not only because of the above, but because The Master doesn't even need a prefix, he needs no excuse or label to differentiate his normal persona from his wartime persona, I'm hoping that he acknowledges he is The Master, and "The War Master" isn't so much as name, as a label that denotes what he was doing, but we shall see.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 26, 2018 4:00:18 GMT
I’m waiting for the War Maxil personally. And, of course, the War Esmeralda.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 26, 2018 4:03:07 GMT
I’d have used “The Master at War” for the Jacobi boxset personally.... mind you he’s not ACTUALLY fighting the War in that boxset.
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Post by relativetime on Jan 26, 2018 4:35:22 GMT
I don't think "the War Susan" really has the same ring to it as "the War Doctor" or "the War Master." Best to leave the Time Lords who are more upfront about their real names alone - at least in terms of the naming department.
That aside, I think it'd be a wasted opportunity to not have Susan turn up during the Eighth Doctor Time War boxsets or a potential War Doctor Chronicles set (I'm still hopeful!). And I'm just interested in having the Eighth Doctor confront an incarnation of the Monk who's post-To the Death, so if that ends up being in the Time War, so be it. I think in general I would very much like to see more appearances from the Rani to continue fleshing the character out, but I never really thought of her as a major player in the Time War. Same with Drax and a lot of the other minor Time Lord characters (although, I have thought of an interesting idea to incorporate Maxil into a War Doctor story, should there ever be a War Doctor Chronicles set).
Omega could be a potentially interesting return and if Rassilon doesn't turn up in the Gallifrey: Time War boxsets (whether played by Timothy Dalton or not) I would be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 10:56:56 GMT
Well, when Big Finish have done with the inevitable The War Rani and The War Monk box sets, I might be interested in a War Davros box set, as just exactly what was Davros doing in the Time War is a question that all of fandom wants answered. (Really!)
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Post by constonks on Jan 26, 2018 16:48:20 GMT
I don't need to see The War Rani but I would like to see the Rani, Monk, etc. in the Time War - but I don't really buy the Rani as a series lead and if I wanted a Monk-led series (which I do), I'd rather see it be a non-Time War set, more of a mirror to your everyday Doctor Who. I'd rather see something like Gallifrey: Time War or The Eighth Doctor: The Time War include the characters, honestly. I mean mayyyybe Susan could carry a story herself, but I'd rather see her with Romana, Leela and Ace or the Eighth Doctor.
I would like to see a Dalek-sided Time War story, though. Humanoid Dalek agents doing what they have to do, working for Davros and the Daleks in the early stages of the War, leading to one of them turning against their friends for the side of good and trying to off Davros by flying his ship into the jaws of the Nightmare Child... Dalek Empire V: The Time War, maybe.
Oh and I agree calling Jacobi "The War Master" all the time seems silly, but I don't mind it as the title (along with "Only the Good") to match our good friend Sir John and his first boxset.
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Post by Digi on Jan 26, 2018 19:05:47 GMT
For me, that's a mistake made by BF, not only because of the above, but because The Master doesn't even need a prefix, he needs no excuse or label to differentiate his normal persona from his wartime persona, I'm hoping that he acknowledges he is The Master, and "The War Master" isn't so much as name, as a label that denotes what he was doing, but we shall see. Regardless of nitpicking - I do think you’re right. There’s no reason why we can’t see a ton of Time Lords that we know, turning up during the Time War. But the Doctor is a bit of a special case in that he let his chosen name die so he could do what he had to, and then disavowed it afterward. Not so much the case with most of the others.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 26, 2018 21:04:19 GMT
The Time War offers a big playing field for the known and unknown Timelords to play in.
I would like to hear new versions/incarnations of characters to appear including the Rani, the Monk and even Romana.
So I hope we hear more from the Timelords we already know, but just like with the Eleven and Ollistra I would like to hear from the Timelords we previously didn’t know about
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 31, 2018 17:18:31 GMT
I'm looking forward to the War War Chief boxset myself
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Post by mrperson on Jan 31, 2018 17:55:38 GMT
Count me with the people who find it a bit odd to have a "War" version of every timelord. In addition to what Jasonward said, I'd note that there really is no reason to think that every other Timelord spent just the one regeneration fighting the war. Maybe some managed not to die at all so only part of one regeneration was in the war. Maybe some spent five. Maybe some spent them all. It would be odd to say things were otherwise.
So while I'll certainly listen to more stories set in the War, I'd start rolling my eyes if everyone's a War Timelord.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 31, 2018 18:14:00 GMT
I’m happy just incorporating characters like The General and Ollistra into the Gallifrey: Time War series. Ohila too, though she’s not necessarily a Time Lord!
Before the Eighth Doctor Time War set became four and its own range, I was happy with the War Doctor range being the “bulk” of the Time War at Big Finish. The other sets, such as Gallifrey, The War Master, Eighth Doctor: TW, etc would serve as accompaniments to the War Doctor being the main. It barely scratches the surface of the Time War, but it’s still something substantial. I do sort of have that sentiment, but the Eighth now eclipsing The War Doctor sort of makes it a moot point.
I agree with the comments about The War Master. It works as a title for the set to differentiate it him from other incarnations in a potential Master range, but as the actual title of the character? Redundant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 5:09:58 GMT
I'll go against the flow and say that, even though the Master may not call himself that, I don't think it is a redundant title, because this is a very different incarnation of The Master who fought with his own people against the Daleks, and even tried his own (unsuccessful) scheme to stop the Time War once and for all. And much like the (War) Doctor, he was still who he was, but he was fighting his own nature to be something else as well. He only fled the War when he believed that all hope was lost, and couldn't face the consequences of his own actions.
I'd also argue that his experiences during the Time War scars and informs future versions of the character in a similar way that the War Doctor experiences do for the Doctor. For example, when the Simm Master seemingly sacrifices himself to stop Rassilon in The End of Time. Prior to the Time War I can't see any version of The Master making that kind of choice, as it was always about his own survival, no matter the cost.
Plus, let's face it, the War Doctor name is just for the fans. Nobody in universe calls him the War Doctor, they still refer to him as the Doctor, regardless of his protestations, and he doesn't appear to consider himself to want or have a permanent, proper name of any sort at all.
Regardless of what they are called, or how they are described, I do think there's genuine storytelling value in seeing Susan, The Monk, The Rani, Maxil and so on during the war, how they react to it, what they do, and what it does to them.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 18, 2018 11:06:34 GMT
I am now very much hoping for at least one Big Finish story where Rassilon and the Master square off against each other.
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Post by aztec on Mar 18, 2018 12:03:08 GMT
''No! not The War Mind Probe!''
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Post by aztec on Mar 18, 2018 12:04:23 GMT
I'm looking forward to the War War Chief boxset myself Featuring The War Warlords? or perhaps The War Rocket Men? Maybe even The War Zarbi
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 13:18:33 GMT
I'm looking forward to the War War Chief boxset myself Featuring The War Warlords? or perhaps The War Rocket Men? Maybe even The War Zarbi Nah, The War Daleks make much more sense!
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