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Post by grinch on Apr 14, 2021 9:06:11 GMT
That there is a Sherlock Holmes pastiche novel that crosses over with the Cenobites from the works of Clive Barker.
I know Sherlock Holmes has met a great many literary figures in the various pastiches that have been published over the years but this certainly wouldn’t have been my first choice.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 14, 2021 9:09:12 GMT
That there is a Sherlock Holmes pastiche novel that crosses over with the Cenobites from the works of Clive Barker. I know Sherlock Holmes has met a great many literary figures in the various pastiches that have been published over the years but this certainly wouldn’t have been my first choice. U had me at hello..
Whats the name of the novel?
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Post by grinch on Apr 14, 2021 9:13:26 GMT
That there is a Sherlock Holmes pastiche novel that crosses over with the Cenobites from the works of Clive Barker. I know Sherlock Holmes has met a great many literary figures in the various pastiches that have been published over the years but this certainly wouldn’t have been my first choice. U had me at hello..
Whats the name of the novel?
Here you go. www.amazon.co.uk/Sherlock-Holmes-Servants-Professor-English/dp/1781084556Sherlock Holmes and the Servants of Hell. Pretty odd choice of a crossover I think.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 5, 2021 9:23:59 GMT
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Post by number13 on May 5, 2021 10:54:14 GMT
Sounds interesting but the link isn't working JHD - goes to 'recent threads' on this forum.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 5, 2021 11:18:06 GMT
Sounds interesting but the link isn't working JHD - goes to 'recent threads' on this forum. Try this
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Post by number13 on May 5, 2021 11:20:08 GMT
Sounds interesting but the link isn't working JHD - goes to 'recent threads' on this forum. Try this Thank you!
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Post by grinch on May 5, 2021 17:14:44 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 14, 2021 9:20:38 GMT
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Post by mark687 on May 14, 2021 9:31:35 GMT
Most Bizarre film I've seen in recent years. Regards mark687
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 14, 2021 9:32:43 GMT
Most Bizarre film I've seen in recent years. Regards mark687 And now imagine it with Batman as Mario, on top of that. I hope Dafoe wasn't green.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 18:33:02 GMT
Just some food for thought. Psychedelia, Prog Rock, Glam Rock, Heavy Metal, Punk, New Wave, Synth Pop... The final Beatles, The Doors and Jimi Hendrix Albums. All of Led Zeppelins works. The golden era of Black Sabbath & Deep Purple. The Sex Pistols & The Clash. The Stranglers. Disco & Saturday Night Fever. All that Bowie. Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music. Adam & The Ants, Duran Duran, Human League, Kraftwerk, The Police. Pink Floyd. And that's just Popular Music.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 18:48:33 GMT
Just some food for thought. Psychedelia, Prog Rock, Glam Rock, Heavy Metal, Punk, New Wave, Synth Pop... The final Beatles, The Doors and Jimi Hendrix Albums. All of Led Zeppelins works. The golden era of Black Sabbath & Deep Purple. The Sex Pistols & The Clash. The Stranglers. Disco & Saturday Night Fever. All that Bowie. Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music. Adam & The Ants, Duran Duran, Human League, Kraftwerk, The Police. Pink Floyd. And that's just Popular Music.
At the risk of sounding like a jaded old sod who listens to music a great deal and cannot fathom what on earth ANYONE can get out of most of the popular music and styles over the past 20 years ... sorry, what was I talking about? Oh yes - that Tweet is bang on. Could it be that all styles of music have now been covered, or could it be that money has overcome any pretensions of art, and the post-Cowell generation has been conditioned to be happy listening to bland, listless, monotonous, meaningless wallpaper music - 'lift music', as Ace would call it? Has gaming superseded the excitement of sticking on a new album by a favourite artist for the first time? Have priorities changed? I remember the days when I used to know what was in the Top Twenty, and it actually mattered. Listening to John Peel and appreciating alternative music. Finding my comfort zone somewhere in the middle.
Thankfully, the internet allows me to access stuff that isn't fed through local radio and their 7-track daily listing. Or their DJ's who can't get through half-an-hour without saying Ed Sheeran's name three times. Bandcamp, YouTube and the like are go-to places now.
Two questions: what happened to music? Secondly, did you expect this rant when you posted?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 19:15:40 GMT
Just some food for thought. Psychedelia, Prog Rock, Glam Rock, Heavy Metal, Punk, New Wave, Synth Pop... The final Beatles, The Doors and Jimi Hendrix Albums. All of Led Zeppelins works. The golden era of Black Sabbath & Deep Purple. The Sex Pistols & The Clash. The Stranglers. Disco & Saturday Night Fever. All that Bowie. Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music. Adam & The Ants, Duran Duran, Human League, Kraftwerk, The Police. Pink Floyd. And that's just Popular Music.
At the risk of sounding like a jaded old sod who listens to music a great deal and cannot fathom what on earth ANYONE can get out of most of the popular music and styles over the past 20 years ... sorry, what was I talking about? Oh yes - that Tweet is bang on. Could it be that all styles of music have now been covered, or could it be that money has overcome any pretensions of art, and the post-Cowell generation has been conditioned to be happy listening to bland, listless, monotonous, meaningless wallpaper music - 'lift music', as Ace would call it? Has gaming superseded the excitement of sticking on a new album by a favourite artist for the first time? Have priorities changed? I remember the days when I used to know what was in the Top Twenty, and it actually mattered. Listening to John Peel and appreciating alternative music. Finding my comfort zone somewhere in the middle.
Thankfully, the internet allows me to access stuff that isn't fed through local radio and their 7-track daily listing. Or their DJ's who can't get through half-an-hour without saying Ed Sheeran's name three times. Bandcamp, YouTube and the like are go-to places now.
Two questions: what happened to music? Secondly, did you expect this rant when you posted? Not at all - I agree with you absolutely. The same goes for fashions of clothing. There is no 'out of fashion' anymore really. Beyond the boot cut flares revival around 2005, people seem to be back to wearing the same cut of jeans & squash trainers you would have seen in the mid 80's. A time traveller would be disorientated with the way people of all ages seem to pick their preferred era and still fit in. Back in the 80's someone who still wore flares or a Teddy Boy outfits was either too poor to buy new gear, or considered an odd ball. Fast forward to the era cited (2009 onwards) and I remember one student whose parents were 'suede heads' was the cock of the walk in his skinhead gear when permitted to come in out of uniform. It is seen as originality without being fresh or new. One must ask what have we to show for the past 12 years beyond technology? Does social media provide such an outlet to sound off our frustrations and neuroses that it removes the stimulus or creativity to enact change? Julie Burchill touched upon this point within an article I read earlier in the week, so I here is that too, for consideration (below). I found that that the instant accessibility of all ages of music meant that as a Teacher, intelligent, individualistic students, would prefer music from the past and shape their image accordingly. They could be seen as an original, just by digging into the past. As we look backwards, there is little impetus to move forwards. Its like television - we have seen all the best before, in conventional wisdom, and what is new is often a result of digging into the greatest hits for a cover version opportunity. So - as the prior tweet notes, I suspect that technology does factor in significantly. People work off their frustrations with instant gratification through an available and sympathetic audience, whilst one learns too easily, before getting going with anything, that actually it has all apparently been done before, alas... www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-role-models
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 19:43:09 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a jaded old sod who listens to music a great deal and cannot fathom what on earth ANYONE can get out of most of the popular music and styles over the past 20 years ... sorry, what was I talking about? Oh yes - that Tweet is bang on. Could it be that all styles of music have now been covered, or could it be that money has overcome any pretensions of art, and the post-Cowell generation has been conditioned to be happy listening to bland, listless, monotonous, meaningless wallpaper music - 'lift music', as Ace would call it? Has gaming superseded the excitement of sticking on a new album by a favourite artist for the first time? Have priorities changed? I remember the days when I used to know what was in the Top Twenty, and it actually mattered. Listening to John Peel and appreciating alternative music. Finding my comfort zone somewhere in the middle.
Thankfully, the internet allows me to access stuff that isn't fed through local radio and their 7-track daily listing. Or their DJ's who can't get through half-an-hour without saying Ed Sheeran's name three times. Bandcamp, YouTube and the like are go-to places now.
Two questions: what happened to music? Secondly, did you expect this rant when you posted? Not at all - I agree with you absolutely. The same goes for fashions of clothing. There is no 'out of fashion' anymore really. Beyond the boot cut flares revival around 2005, people seem to be back to wearing the same cut of jeans & squash trainers you would have seen in the mid 80's. A time traveller would be disorientated with the way people of all ages seem to pick their preferred era and still fit in. Back in the 80's someone who still wore flares or a Teddy Boy outfits was either too poor to buy new gear, or considered an odd ball. Fast forward to the era cited (2009 onwards) and I remember one student whose parents were 'suede heads' was the cock of the walk in his skinhead gear when permitted to come in out of uniform. It is seen as originality without being fresh or new. One must ask what have we to show for the past 12 years beyond technology? Does social media provide such an outlet to sound off our frustrations and neuroses that it removes the stimulus or creativity to enact change? Julie Burchill touched upon this point within an article I read earlier in the week, so I here is that too, for consideration (below). I found that that the instant accessibility of all ages of music meant that as a Teacher, intelligent, individualistic students, would prefer music from the past and shape their image accordingly. They could be seen as an original, just by digging into the past. As we look backwards, there is little impetus to move forwards. Its like television - we have seen all the best before, in conventional wisdom, and what is new is often a result of digging into the greatest hits for a cover version opportunity. So - as the prior tweet notes, I suspect that technology does factor in significantly. People work off their frustrations with instant gratification through an available and sympathetic audience, whilst one learns too easily, before getting going with anything, that actually it has all apparently been done before, alas... www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-role-modelsVery interesting article.
It's strange. Regarding music, you can categorise the 70s in a certain way, despite its huge diversity; the same with the 80s; the 90s not so much, and post 2000 not at all! To my memory - and this is going to sound ancient - the rot began to set in with the Three Who Rule - namely, Stock Aitken and Waterman. A trio of producers who became better known than a lot of their acts, who polished songs and made them sound exactly like each other. I remember someone on the radio suggested that Jason Donovan's singles actually used Kylie's voice and slowed it down! They were serious. Possibly even before that, Trevor Horn - whose early work I really like - became the 'name' behind Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Propaganda, The Art of Noise etc. I think following the blandness of the late 80s and beyond is down to artists becoming secondary to the people who 'pull their strings'. This is a generalisation of course, but the art of making everything sound like everything else seems to have smothered any sense of individuality and has actually become something to aim for! There's more chance of me playing Doctor Who than there ever being a second punk rock revolution. Those were the days!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 20:21:15 GMT
Not at all - I agree with you absolutely. The same goes for fashions of clothing. There is no 'out of fashion' anymore really. Beyond the boot cut flares revival around 2005, people seem to be back to wearing the same cut of jeans & squash trainers you would have seen in the mid 80's. A time traveller would be disorientated with the way people of all ages seem to pick their preferred era and still fit in. Back in the 80's someone who still wore flares or a Teddy Boy outfits was either too poor to buy new gear, or considered an odd ball. Fast forward to the era cited (2009 onwards) and I remember one student whose parents were 'suede heads' was the cock of the walk in his skinhead gear when permitted to come in out of uniform. It is seen as originality without being fresh or new. One must ask what have we to show for the past 12 years beyond technology? Does social media provide such an outlet to sound off our frustrations and neuroses that it removes the stimulus or creativity to enact change? Julie Burchill touched upon this point within an article I read earlier in the week, so I here is that too, for consideration (below). I found that that the instant accessibility of all ages of music meant that as a Teacher, intelligent, individualistic students, would prefer music from the past and shape their image accordingly. They could be seen as an original, just by digging into the past. As we look backwards, there is little impetus to move forwards. Its like television - we have seen all the best before, in conventional wisdom, and what is new is often a result of digging into the greatest hits for a cover version opportunity. So - as the prior tweet notes, I suspect that technology does factor in significantly. People work off their frustrations with instant gratification through an available and sympathetic audience, whilst one learns too easily, before getting going with anything, that actually it has all apparently been done before, alas... www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-role-modelsVery interesting article.
It's strange. Regarding music, you can categorise the 70s in a certain way, despite its huge diversity; the same with the 80s; the 90s not so much, and post 2000 not at all! To my memory - and this is going to sound ancient - the rot began to set in with the Three Who Rule - namely, Stock Aitken and Waterman. A trio of producers who became better known than a lot of their acts, who polished songs and made them sound exactly like each other. I remember someone on the radio suggested that Jason Donovan's singles actually used Kylie's voice and slowed it down! They were serious. Possibly even before that, Trevor Horn - whose early work I really like - became the 'name' behind Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Propaganda, The Art of Noise etc. I think following the blandness of the late 80s and beyond is down to artists becoming secondary to the people who 'pull their strings'. This is a generalisation of course, but the art of making everything sound like everything else seems to have smothered any sense of individuality and has actually become something to aim for! There's more chance of me playing Doctor Who than there ever being a second punk rock revolution. Those were the days!
Fully agree again. Though Propaganda are one of my all time favourites.. I remember clearly at the time the damage wrought by SAW. The dominance of tinny processed Potpourri music that took over the late 80's pop scene like virulent knotweed, was heightened by just what a sharp contrast Guns n Roses made with their Appetite For Destruction chart singles. It was like the Sex Pistols in 1977 again. I noted of myself how much I enjoyed the nostalgia trip of the early eighties TOTP reruns on BBC4, with circa 1982 being perhaps the peak and a long slow decline thereafter. The later eighties, when I have dipped in, have stood out as being a case of watching for the odd rare gem. The standouts. I watched the compilation edition intro to the current 1990/1991 re-runs and was struck by how many of the most memorable acts were effectively 'one hit wonders', such was the dominance of corporate pop music. Indeed, I read just last week, someone commenting that Blur's debut ' There's no other way' (which I bought on 7" as with Charley by the Prodigy) that it had one hit wonder written all over it, until their 'comeback' a few years later with 'Parklife'. Indeed The Prodigy were another act that had to wait a few years to catch on. The Happy Mondays reached the mainstream, but then imploded creatively after Kinky Afro and Step On... The good stuff wasn't what you were likely to hear on R1 or on TOTP - a cultural disconnect that we still seem to suffer from, whereby the Simon Cowell coterie of talent shows still push for Whitney Huston or Mariah Carey inspired wailing in place of genuine vocal talent or musical styles. That's the thing. I cannot watch these re-runs even after 30 years as they still seem clear in the memory for all the wrong reasons. Most of it was poor fare then and more so now. That's why, like it or hate it, 'Brit Pop' with the likes of Oasis really was a last hurrah for original and exciting music as a cultural phenomenon. And the hangers on weren't that bad either. They may have been under practiced and a bit precocious, but at least the record companies were signing up acts once again that they had not put together by committee... So yeah - we tolerated it and our children have been next....
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 21:05:58 GMT
Very interesting article.
It's strange. Regarding music, you can categorise the 70s in a certain way, despite its huge diversity; the same with the 80s; the 90s not so much, and post 2000 not at all! To my memory - and this is going to sound ancient - the rot began to set in with the Three Who Rule - namely, Stock Aitken and Waterman. A trio of producers who became better known than a lot of their acts, who polished songs and made them sound exactly like each other. I remember someone on the radio suggested that Jason Donovan's singles actually used Kylie's voice and slowed it down! They were serious. Possibly even before that, Trevor Horn - whose early work I really like - became the 'name' behind Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Propaganda, The Art of Noise etc. I think following the blandness of the late 80s and beyond is down to artists becoming secondary to the people who 'pull their strings'. This is a generalisation of course, but the art of making everything sound like everything else seems to have smothered any sense of individuality and has actually become something to aim for! There's more chance of me playing Doctor Who than there ever being a second punk rock revolution. Those were the days!
Fully agree again. Though Propaganda are one of my all time favourites.. I remember clearly at the time the damage wrought by SAW. The dominance of tinny processed Potpourri music that took over the late 80's pop scene like virulent knotweed, was heightened by just what a sharp contrast Guns n Roses made with their Appetite For Destruction chart singles. It was like the Sex Pistols in 1977 again. I noted of myself how much I enjoyed the nostalgia trip of the early eighties TOTP reruns on BBC4, with circa 1982 being perhaps the peak and a long slow decline thereafter. The later eighties, when I have dipped in, have stood out as being a case of watching for the odd rare gem. The standouts. I watched the compilation edition intro to the current 1990/1991 re-runs and was struck by how many of the most memorable acts were effectively 'one hit wonders', such was the dominance of corporate pop music. Indeed, I read just last week, someone commenting that Blur's debut ' There's no other way' (which I bought on 7" as with Charley by the Prodigy) that it had one hit wonder written all over it, until their 'comeback' a few years later with 'Parklife'. Indeed The Prodigy were another act that had to wait a few years to catch on. The Happy Mondays reached the mainstream, but then imploded creatively after Kinky Afro and Step On... The good stuff wasn't what you were likely to hear on R1 or on TOTP - a cultural disconnect that we still seem to suffer from, whereby the Simon Cowell coterie of talent shows still push for Whitney Huston or Mariah Carey inspired wailing in place of genuine vocal talent or musical styles. That's the thing. I cannot watch these re-runs even after 30 years as they still seem clear in the memory for all the wrong reasons. Most of it was poor fare then and more so now. That's why, like it or hate it, 'Brit Pop' with the likes of Oasis really was a last hurrah for original and exciting music as a cultural phenomenon. And the hangers on weren't that bad either. They may have been under practiced and a bit precocious, but at least the record companies were signing up acts once again that they had not put together by committee... So yeah - we tolerated it and our children have been next.... Absolutely. The Britpop thing was the last time there was any individuality, at least to my ears. And I loved some of it!
And yes, I loved Propaganda too. I resented the way Frankie got all the attention on that short era when ZTT seemed to promise great things. Dr Mabuse is, of course, a Faustian nightmare. A truly underrated gem. Claudia Brucken had/has the voice of a true angel. I'll have to watch the video again, I really will. Sell 'em your soul, indeed - the mantra of the modern chart act perhaps!
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Fully agree again. Though Propaganda are one of my all time favourites.. I remember clearly at the time the damage wrought by SAW. The dominance of tinny processed Potpourri music that took over the late 80's pop scene like virulent knotweed, was heightened by just what a sharp contrast Guns n Roses made with their Appetite For Destruction chart singles. It was like the Sex Pistols in 1977 again. I noted of myself how much I enjoyed the nostalgia trip of the early eighties TOTP reruns on BBC4, with circa 1982 being perhaps the peak and a long slow decline thereafter. The later eighties, when I have dipped in, have stood out as being a case of watching for the odd rare gem. The standouts. I watched the compilation edition intro to the current 1990/1991 re-runs and was struck by how many of the most memorable acts were effectively 'one hit wonders', such was the dominance of corporate pop music. Indeed, I read just last week, someone commenting that Blur's debut ' There's no other way' (which I bought on 7" as with Charley by the Prodigy) that it had one hit wonder written all over it, until their 'comeback' a few years later with 'Parklife'. Indeed The Prodigy were another act that had to wait a few years to catch on. The Happy Mondays reached the mainstream, but then imploded creatively after Kinky Afro and Step On... The good stuff wasn't what you were likely to hear on R1 or on TOTP - a cultural disconnect that we still seem to suffer from, whereby the Simon Cowell coterie of talent shows still push for Whitney Huston or Mariah Carey inspired wailing in place of genuine vocal talent or musical styles. That's the thing. I cannot watch these re-runs even after 30 years as they still seem clear in the memory for all the wrong reasons. Most of it was poor fare then and more so now. That's why, like it or hate it, 'Brit Pop' with the likes of Oasis really was a last hurrah for original and exciting music as a cultural phenomenon. And the hangers on weren't that bad either. They may have been under practiced and a bit precocious, but at least the record companies were signing up acts once again that they had not put together by committee... So yeah - we tolerated it and our children have been next.... Absolutely. The Britpop thing was the last time there was any individuality, at least to my ears. And I loved some of it!
And yes, I loved Propaganda too. I resented the way Frankie got all the attention on that short era when ZTT seemed to promise great things. Dr Mabuse is, of course, a Faustian nightmare. A truly underrated gem. Claudia Brucken had/has the voice of a true angel. I'll have to watch the video again, I really will. Sell 'em your soul, indeed - the mantra of the modern chart act perhaps!
One of the best things for me about Youtube has been the steady release of rare footage of bands such as Propaganda. Some really good videos get removed due to copyrights or replaced with inferior recordings, but some really showcase how they could play live very well indeed. Its a pity that the euro version of Frozen Faces seems to have vanished and there is only a VHS transfer of a mimed performance from The Tube, but the Rotterdam concert is brilliant. Just as good out of the studio: Edit: come to think of it, I have the original album on Vinyl in the collection somewhere....pretty low quality 80's thin grade pressing so no benefit playing over the CD remasters, but I wonder. It should be fairly rare ...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 21:47:20 GMT
Absolutely. The Britpop thing was the last time there was any individuality, at least to my ears. And I loved some of it!
And yes, I loved Propaganda too. I resented the way Frankie got all the attention on that short era when ZTT seemed to promise great things. Dr Mabuse is, of course, a Faustian nightmare. A truly underrated gem. Claudia Brucken had/has the voice of a true angel. I'll have to watch the video again, I really will. Sell 'em your soul, indeed - the mantra of the modern chart act perhaps!
One of the best things for me about Youtube has been the steady release of rare footage of bands such as Propaganda. Some really good videos get removed due to copyrights or replaced with inferior recordings, but some really showcase how they could play live very well indeed. Its a pity that the euro version of Frozen Faces seems to have vanished and there is only a VHS transfer of a mimed performance from The Tube, but the Rotterdam concert is brilliant. Just as good out of the studio: Edit: come to think of it, I have the original album on Vinyl in the collection somewhere....pretty low quality 80's thin grade pressing so no benefit playing over the CD remasters, but I wonder. It should be fairly rare ...Thanks for that!! Lovely Susanne Freytag as well. She was one of only two original members to contribute to their curious second album 1,2,3,4 - which I actually rather liked. It's a shame they all fell out with each other. I had an interest in Claudia's Act, er, act (Snobbery and Decay remains an amazing song) and OneTwo with Paul Humphreys - but Propaganda will always be the pinnacle.
To get back on topic. Today I learned ... that the first cut won't hurt at all !!
(But yes - regarding YouTube and the internet as a whole. How did we exist without it?)
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One of the best things for me about Youtube has been the steady release of rare footage of bands such as Propaganda. Some really good videos get removed due to copyrights or replaced with inferior recordings, but some really showcase how they could play live very well indeed. Its a pity that the euro version of Frozen Faces seems to have vanished and there is only a VHS transfer of a mimed performance from The Tube, but the Rotterdam concert is brilliant. Just as good out of the studio: Edit: come to think of it, I have the original album on Vinyl in the collection somewhere....pretty low quality 80's thin grade pressing so no benefit playing over the CD remasters, but I wonder. It should be fairly rare ...Thanks for that!! Lovely Susanne Freytag as well. She was one of only two original members to contribute to their curious second album 1,2,3,4 - which I actually rather liked. It's a shame they all fell out with each other. I had an interest in Claudia's Act, er, act (Snobbery and Decay remains an amazing song) and OneTwo with Paul Humphreys - but Propaganda will always be the pinnacle.
To get back on topic. Today I learned ... that the first cut won't hurt at all !!
(But yes - regarding YouTube and the internet as a whole. How did we exist without it?)
Pleased you enjoyed it - always worth doing a search now and again. I tend to bookmark things like that to save looking up again. I bought the second album myself about 1995 as one of my first CD's. Ministry of Fear was probably the closest to the first album, but it was quite good in its own right, though much of it has dated compared to the way the first album is of its own time. But yes - Susanne Freytag was always very easy on the eye, though Claudia Brücken had style herself that comes across better in the performances. I will look up the references you make to her other works... Its a pity that the HD version of P Machinery is no longer available but it is still a stylish video even in low res:
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