The Last Great Time War

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Below is a listening/watching order for the Time War, as making a timeline for a war waged across time seemed a bit fruitless. I intend to update as more releases come.

The Saga of The Last Great Time War:
Prelude:
-Tensions between the Daleks and Time Lords build over centuries, as hints emerge of a coming temporal conflict
Fields of Terror
Across the Darkened City
The Bonfires of the Vanities
Falling
Day of the Daleks
Frontier in Space
Planet of the Daleks
Genesis of the Daleks
Terror of the Zygons
Return of the Daleks
The Dalek Revenge
The Revisionists
Resurrection of the Daleks
Shadow of the Daleks: Aimed at the Body
Shadow of the Daleks: Lightspeed
Shadow of the Daleks: The Bookshop at the End of the World
Shadow of the Daleks: Interlude
Shadow of the Daleks: Echo Chamber
Shadow of the Daleks: Towards Zero
Shadow of the Daleks: Castle Hydra
Shadow of the Daleks: Effect and Cause
The Reaping
The Apocalypse Element
Remembrance of the Daleks
The Target Storybook: The Slyther of Shoreditch
The Genocide Machine
Damaged Goods
Random Ghosts
The Lights of Skaro
The Company of Friends: Mary’s Story
The Time of the Daleks
Weapon of Choice
The Inquiry
A Blind Eye
Pandora
Insurgency
Imperiatrix
Panacea
Arbitration
Extermination
Renaissance
Ascension
Dark Eyes: The Great War
Dark Eyes: Fugitives
Dark Eyes: Tangled Web
Dark Eyes: X and the Daleks
Dark Eyes: Eyes of the Master
Dark Eyes: The Death of Hope
Dark Eyes: The Reviled
Dark Eyes: Masterplan
Dark Eyes: Rule of the Eminence
Doom Coalition: The Eleven
Doom Coalition: Scenes From Her Life
Doom Coalition: The Gift
Doom Coalition: The Sonomancer
Doom Coalition: Absent Friends
Doom Coalition: The Doomsday Chronometer
Doom Coalition: The Eighth Piece
Doom Coalition: The Crucible of Souls
Doom Coalition: Ship in a Bottle
Doom Coalition: Songs of Love
Doom Coalition: The Side of the Angels
Doom Coalition: Stop the Clock
Ravenous: Deeptime Frontier
Ravenous: Companion Piece
The Doctor Who Files: Birth of a Legend
The Master of Callous: Call for the Dead
The Master of Callous: The Glittering Prize
The Master of Callous: The Persistence of Dreams
The Master of Callous: Sins of the Father
An Ocean of Sawdust
The Wintertime Paradox: Father of the Daleks

The Conflict:
Act 1: Outbreak
-The Time Lords make a stand against the ascendant Dalek Empire
Time War: Celestial Intervention
Time War: Soldier Obscura

Act 2: The Master of War
-As the War escalates, the Master seeks opportunities amidst the chaos
Rage of the Time Lords: The Survivor
Rage of the Time Lords: The Coney Island Chameleon
Concealed Weapon
Rage of the Time Lords: The Missing Link
Rage of the Time Lords: Darkness and Light
Cyber-Reality: Telepresence
Cyber-Reality: Code Silver
Cyber-Reality: Master of Worlds
Hearts of Darkness: The Edge of Redemption
Hearts of Darkness: The Scaramancer
Hearts of Darkness: The Castle of Kurnos 5
Hearts of Darkness: The Cognition Shift
Anti-Genesis: From The Flames
Anti-Genesis: The Master’s Dalek Plan
Anti-Genesis: Shockwave
Anti-Genesis: He Who Wins
Only the Good: Beneath The Viscoid
Time War: The Devil You Know

Act 3: The Resurrection
-The founder of the Time Lords is resurrected to lead his people once more
Time War: Desperate Measures
Time War: Havoc
Time War: Partisans
Time War: Collateral
Time War: Assassins

Act 4: The Master’s Side Step
-Whilst one master plan is ongoing*, the Master targets the Stagnant Protocol
Killing Time: The Sincerest Form of Flattery
Killing Time: A Quiet Night In
Killing Time: The Orphan
Killing Time: Unfinished Business

Act 5: The Master Plan
-The Master enacts a scheme to end the War in his favour
Only the Good: The Good Master
Only the Good: The Sky Man
Self-Defence: The Forest of Penitence
Self-Defence: The Players
Self-Defence: Boundaries
Self-Defence: The Last Line
Only the Good: The Heavenly Paradigm

Act 6: An Unearthly Soldier
-Defying her grandfather, Susan answers her people’s call to arms
All Hands on Deck
Sphere of Influence
The Uncertain Shore
Assets of War
The Shoreditch Intervention

Act 7: The Doctor Falls
-The Doctor battles to save lives in a universe torn apart by war
Time War: The Starship of Theseus
Time War: Echoes of War
Time War: The Conscript
Time War: One Life
Time War: The Lords of Terror
Time War: Planet of the Ogrons
Time War: In the Garden of Death
Time War: Jonah
Time War: State of Bliss
Time War: The Famished Lands
Time War: Fugitive in Time
Time War: The War Valeyard
Time War: Palindrome
Time War: Dreadshade
Time War: Restoration of the Daleks
Twelve Doctors of Christmas: Ghost of Christmas Past
Snapshots: Osskah
The Scientific Secrets of Doctor Who: Natural Regression
A Heart on Both Sides
The Rulers of the Universe
The Sontaran Ordeal
Day of the Vashta Nerada
Death Will Not Part Us
The Legacy of Time: Lies in Ruins
Museum Peace
The Night of the Doctor

Act 8: The Warrior Rises
-From the ashes of the Doctor, a new incarnation has been born
Forged in Fire: Light the Flame
Forged in Fire: Lion Hearts
Forged in Fire: The Shadow Squad
Daleks-The Astounding Untold History: Ambush
Twelve Angels Weeping: The Third Wise Man
Warbringer: Consequences
Warbringer: Destroyer
Warbringer: Saviour
Battlegrounds: The Keeper of Light
Battlegrounds: Temmosus
Battlegrounds: Rewind

Act 9: The Exiled Resistance
-Exiled from Gallifrey, Romana and Narvin seek to make a difference in the War
Time War: Hostiles
Time War: Nevernor
Time War: Mother Tongue
Time War: Unity
Time War: Deception
Time War: Dissolution
Time War: Beyond
Time War: Homecoming

Act 10: The Final Days
-A man once known as the Doctor fights on as the War enters its final stages
The Shakespeare Notebooks: A Prologue
Only the Monstrous: The Innocent
Only the Monstrous: The Thousand Worlds
Only the Monstrous: The Heart of the Battle
Infernal Devices: Legion of the Lost
Infernal Devices: A Thing of Guile
Infernal Devices: The Neverwhen
Agents of Chaos: The Shadow Vortex
Agents of Chaos: The Eternity Cage
Agents of Chaos: Eye of Harmony
Casualties of War: Pretty Lies
Casualties of War: The Lady of Obsidian
Casualties of War: The Enigma Dimension
Daleks-The Astounding Untold History: Lost Patrol
The Target Storybook: Decoy
Heroes and Monsters: The Stranger
The Many Lives of Doctor Who: The Whole Thing’s Bananas
Engines of War
Trailer(The Companion Chronicles: The First Doctor Volume 2)
The Plague of Dreams
The Last Day
The Day of the Doctor

Epilogue: What Might Have Been
-A time war by its nature has many iterations and possibilities; in one such possibility the War ends in a very different form
Doctor Who and the Time War

Aftermath:
-Worlds have died and civilisations have burnt; survivors of the War pick up the pieces in a changed universe
The Bleeding Heart
The Oncoming Storm
Battle Scars
The Catalyst
Empathy Games
The Time Vampire
Rose
Revenge of the Nestene
The End of the World
The Unquiet Dead
Dalek
The Other Side
The Long Game
Father's Day
Weapons of Past Destruction
The Bidding War
Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways
I am a Dalek
The Futurists
School Reunion
Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel
Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
The Runaway Bride
Gridlock
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky
The Doctor’s Daughter
The Stolen Earth/Journey's End
The Forgotten
The Eyeless
Prisoner of the Daleks
Keeping Up With The Joneses
The Mad Woman in the Attic
Don’t Step on the Grass
The Waters of Mars
The End of Time
The Beast Below
Victory of the Daleks
Nothing O’Clock
The Then and The Now
Pull to Open
Outrun
The Judas Goatee
The One
Downtime
Running to Stay Still
First Rule
The Organ Grinder
Kill God
Fast Asleep
Gently Pulls The Strings
Physician, Heal Thyself
The Doctor's Wife
Time in a Bottle
Kings of Infinite Space
Whodunnit?
Someone I Once Knew
Sky Jacks
The Name of the Doctor
The Day of the Doctor
The Time of the Doctor
Divorced, Beheaded, Regenerated
The Broken Clock
Missy and the Monk: War Seed
Four Doctors
Dark Water/Death in Heaven
Face the Raven
Heaven Sent
Hell Bent
The Clockwise War

In Parallel: In another universe, another Time War rages.
Genesis: Dust Devil
Genesis: Aftershocks
Genesis: The Difference Office

*Strictly speaking Killing Time is a detour during The Sky Man for the Master. However for the purposes of a listening experience, there’s no benefit to pausing The Sky Man to listen to Killing Time, if anything it would probably undermine The Sky Man to do so.

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Post by Digi on Feb 28, 2018 0:11:44 GMT

You know what I've been pondering for the last week or so, is whether Random Ghosts & Lights of Skaro (from New Benny Vol 1) should be considered War stories. What I get hung up on in particular is that a) Ace is a CIA agent (in training?) in that box set, which fits with IE/EL/TW1-era Ace; and b) having a Gallifreyan operative time-lock Skaro seems like...well, a rather hostile act.

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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 3:26:41 GMT

Splendid work organising it all there.

Feb 28, 2018 0:11:44 GMT Digi said:

You know what I've been pondering for the last week or so, is whether Random Ghosts & Lights of Skaro (from New Benny Vol 1) should be considered War stories. What I get hung up on in particular is that a) Ace is a CIA agent (in training?) in that box set, which fits with IE/EL/TW1-era Ace; and b) having a Gallifreyan operative time-lock Skaro seems like...well, a rather hostile act.

You can make a solid argument for it. At a guess, I think the main distinction would come down to whether the lead-up stories to the War count as part of the engagement itself. :think

Like...

Genesis has the CIA interfering in the Daleks' development;
A Device of Death has the Doctor diverted again to kickstart what ultimately become the Movellans;
Resurrection has the Daleks manufacture assassins for the High Council (in response to Genesis or Device, maybe);
The Apocalypse Element has their first invasion of Gallifrey, and;
Remembrance blows up Skaro (or at least, a Skaro) with a Gallifreyan stellar manipulator.

Coupled with the Benny set, they're all important events between the Time Lords and the Daleks. But... can they be considered battles in the War itself?

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Feb 28, 2018 3:26:41 GMT @wolfie53 said:

Splendid work organising it all there.

Feb 28, 2018 0:11:44 GMT Digi said:

You know what I've been pondering for the last week or so, is whether Random Ghosts & Lights of Skaro (from New Benny Vol 1) should be considered War stories. What I get hung up on in particular is that a) Ace is a CIA agent (in training?) in that box set, which fits with IE/EL/TW1-era Ace; and b) having a Gallifreyan operative time-lock Skaro seems like...well, a rather hostile act.

You can make a solid argument for it. At a guess, I think the main distinction would come down to whether the lead-up stories to the War count as part of the engagement itself. :think

Like...

Genesis has the CIA interfering in the Daleks' development;
A Device of Death has the Doctor diverted again to kickstart what ultimately become the Movellans;
Resurrection has the Daleks manufacture assassins for the High Council (in response to Genesis or Device, maybe);
The Apocalypse Element has their first invasion of Gallifrey, and;
Remembrance blows up Skaro (or at least, a Skaro) with a Gallifreyan stellar manipulator.

Coupled with the Benny set, they're all important events between the Time Lords and the Daleks. But... can they be considered battles in the War itself?

I did consider putting in a prequels section including stories which either show hostilities between the Time Lords and Daleks or otherwise hint towards the War including:
Genesis of the Daleks
Resurrection of the Daleks
The Apocalypse Element
Patient Zero
Remembrance of the Daleks
Damaged Goods
Random Ghosts
The Lights of Skaro
The Time of the Daleks
Weapon of Choice
Square One
The Inquiry
A Blind Eye
Panacea
Arbitration
Extermination
Ascension
Dark Eyes 1
Dark Eyes 2
Doom Coalition 3
Doom Coalition 4

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Feb 28, 2018 3:26:41 GMT @wolfie53 said:

Splendid work organising it all there.

Feb 28, 2018 0:11:44 GMT Digi said:

You know what I've been pondering for the last week or so, is whether Random Ghosts & Lights of Skaro (from New Benny Vol 1) should be considered War stories. What I get hung up on in particular is that a) Ace is a CIA agent (in training?) in that box set, which fits with IE/EL/TW1-era Ace; and b) having a Gallifreyan operative time-lock Skaro seems like...well, a rather hostile act.

You can make a solid argument for it. At a guess, I think the main distinction would come down to whether the lead-up stories to the War count as part of the engagement itself. :think

Like...

Genesis has the CIA interfering in the Daleks' development;
A Device of Death has the Doctor diverted again to kickstart what ultimately become the Movellans;
Resurrection has the Daleks manufacture assassins for the High Council (in response to Genesis or Device, maybe);
The Apocalypse Element has their first invasion of Gallifrey, and;
Remembrance blows up Skaro (or at least, a Skaro) with a Gallifreyan stellar manipulator.

Coupled with the Benny set, they're all important events between the Time Lords and the Daleks. But... can they be considered battles in the War itself?

I'd say they are all part of a Temporal Cold War before the Last Great Time War kicks off

I'm a Doctor, but probably not the one you were expecting

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Post by polarbear on Mar 11, 2018 18:20:04 GMT

There's actually a great Time War story in, of all things, The Twelve Doctors of Christmas. The Eighth Doctor's story there, Ghost of Christmas Past, is remarkably good. He's solo, no companions. The Time War's been getting him down for a while, and he's really down about it.

To even say much about why I think it has the continuity I'd assign it would be spoilers, as it's kind of a mystery story, but (a) I suspect it's near The Sontaran Ordeal & Day of the Vashta Nerada, with how beaten down he is, and (b) there's a Short Trip you've placed near the outbreak of the Time War that almost definitely has to go after this short story, so there's a bit of a muddle to walk through.

Some really good stories in that Twelve Doctors of Christmas collection; I'd recommend it.

EDIT: Actually, one could also add the older Eighth Doctor's perspective from Mary's Story (main Range #153A). If you wanted to go crazy about it, you could even add the perspective of Leela-as-narrator in CC's The Catalyst/Empathy Games/The Time Vampire, where she's obviously narrating from a time subsequent to The War Doctor: Casualties of War: "The Lady of Obsidian," but before the time lock at the end of the Time War. But you might not want to get that crazy. :^)

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Mar 11, 2018 18:20:04 GMT polarbear said:

There's actually a great Time War story in, of all things, The Twelve Doctors of Christmas. The Eighth Doctor's story there, Ghost of Christmas Past, is remarkably good. He's solo, no companions. The Time War's been getting him down for a while, and he's really down about it.

To even say much about why I think it has the continuity I'd assign it would be spoilers, as it's kind of a mystery story, but (a) I suspect it's near The Sontaran Ordeal & Day of the Vashta Nerada, with how beaten down he is, and (b) there's a Short Trip you've placed near the outbreak of the Time War that almost definitely has to go after this short story, so there's a bit of a muddle to walk through.

Some really good stories in that Twelve Doctors of Christmas collection; I'd recommend it.

EDIT: Actually, one could also add the older Eighth Doctor's perspective from Mary's Story (main Range #153A). If you wanted to go crazy about it, you could even add the perspective of Leela-as-narrator in CC's The Catalyst/Empathy Games/The Time Vampire, where she's obviously narrating from a time subsequent to The War Doctor: Casualties of War: "The Lady of Obsidian," but before the time lock at the end of the Time War. But you might not want to get that crazy. :^)

I might be tempted to add an aftermath section including Leela's CCs and the New Series stories that deal with the war's aftermath. Mary's Story I was torn about which Doctor's perspective to place it, if younger in the prequels and if older I'd say soon before Night of the Doctor, given how grumpy and worn down he is.

At the moment I'm limiting the order to just TV and Big Finish (as that's what I'm mainly familiar with). If I get the time I might see if I can work in the prose stuff, and maybe Titan's comics. I might check out the Twelve Doctors collection at some point.

Edit: By the way, welcome to the forum!

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Post by shallacatop on Mar 19, 2018 20:10:48 GMT

This is great work and I’m glad to see stories like Genesis, Resurrection and Remembrance of the Daleks are all included, as well as audios like The Apocalypse Elemenf. I really like the term “Temporal Cold War”.

The only thing I would say is that I feel like The War Master set comes later on in the Time War, but I understand that you’ve done it to fit in with his appearance in Gallifrey, which I appreciate is clearly the very beginning of the Time War. Similar goes for the Time War interventions in the First Doctor Companion Chronicles, they’re seemingly happening on the Last Day of the Time War, but they’re effecting the First Doctor so you’ve listed them very early on. I suppose the debates and subjective placements only support how crazy the Time War should be!

As an aside, would, say, Terror of the Zygons be justified in going on the list? They’re on Earth following the destruction of their planet, which we later learn in The Day of the Doctor, was a result of the Time War.

I’ve just realised the finales of all of RTD’s series of Doctor Who all involve an enemy who’s escaped the Time War. The Emperor, The Cult of Skaro, the Master, Davros and Rassilon.

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Mar 19, 2018 20:10:48 GMT shallacatop said:

This is great work and I’m glad to see stories like Genesis, Resurrection and Remembrance of the Daleks are all included, as well as audios like The Apocalypse Elemenf. I really like the term “Temporal Cold War”.

The only thing I would say is that I feel like The War Master set comes later on in the Time War, but I understand that you’ve done it to fit in with his appearance in Gallifrey, which I appreciate is clearly the very beginning of the Time War. Similar goes for the Time War interventions in the First Doctor Companion Chronicles, they’re seemingly happening on the Last Day of the Time War, but they’re effecting the First Doctor so you’ve listed them very early on. I suppose the debates and subjective placements only support how crazy the Time War should be!

As an aside, would, say, Terror of the Zygons be justified in going on the list? They’re on Earth following the destruction of their planet, which we later learn in The Day of the Doctor, was a result of the Time War.

I’ve just realised the finales of all of RTD’s series of Doctor Who all involve an enemy who’s escaped the Time War. The Emperor, The Cult of Skaro, the Master, Davros and Rassilon.

My first impression of the War Master set was the same, but the Gallifrey set's tight chronology did away with that. Though given it's a Time War, I suppose it's conceivable they inadvertently summoned the Master from a later point in the War.

The First Doctor set was tricky, as far as I understand the only direct reference to the War is in the final story with hints of temporal meddling in the first three. So the first three appear in the prologue (which is ordered primarily from the Doctor's point of view) and the fourth is placed just before the stories set in the final days.

I hadn't thought of Terror of the Zygons but given the line in Day I suppose it belongs there. I will add it.

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Post by shallacatop on Mar 19, 2018 20:31:24 GMT

Sorry, I didn’t notice you’d put The Plague of Dreams in the final days, my mistake there. You’re absolutely right about the First Doctor Companion Chronicles set; the first three are meddling and the fourth is more explicit and set during the final days. On the subject of that, I suppose you should include The End of Time, as it’s happening concurrent with events in The Day of the Doctor.

Great list, as I said. I think I’ll spend some of this evening listening to All Hands on Deck again.

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Post by Digi on Mar 26, 2018 22:24:42 GMT

I just noticed - River 1.4 "The Rulers of the Universe" is missing from the list. As with most releases in this meta-series it's a bit difficult to place, so I'm opting just to plop it in right before The Sontaran Ordeal, for no more compelling reason than that River Vol 1 came out before CDNM Vol 1.

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Post by shallacatop on Mar 27, 2018 9:34:33 GMT

I agree with putting The Rulers of the Universe before The Sontaran Ordeal, but I’d argue that all Time War related Eighth Doctor stories should go after his first Time War set. The Starship of Theseus seems to be his first proper involvement with it.

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Mar 27, 2018 9:34:33 GMT shallacatop said:

I agree with putting The Rulers of the Universe before The Sontaran Ordeal, but I’d argue that all Time War related Eighth Doctor stories should go after his first Time War set. The Starship of Theseus seems to be his first proper involvement with it.

His comments in “Starship...” suggests that he knows of the War but is petulantly attempting to avoid it (unlike by the time of “Night of the Doctor” where it appears he’s trying to do good while the War raged).
So I think there are more “eight encounters the War for the first time” stories to come.

Romana is certain the Doctor isn’t going to fight in Gallifrey Time War, so they’ve obviously covered that ground in some encounter before the Balloon went up.

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Post by sherlock on Mar 27, 2018 10:17:47 GMT

Mar 27, 2018 9:34:33 GMT shallacatop said:

I agree with putting The Rulers of the Universe before The Sontaran Ordeal, but I’d argue that all Time War related Eighth Doctor stories should go after his first Time War set. The Starship of Theseus seems to be his first proper involvement with it.

However The Conscript suggests that he's been evading the war effort for some time. Theseus could be his first time in an active war zone, as the previous stories only show him skirting around the actual fighting, either picking up the pieces of a battle or being involved in side skirmishes. At the moment I'm sticking with release order for the Eighth Doctor's stories, though future Time War sets could change this.

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Post by Digi on Mar 27, 2018 11:07:33 GMT

Mar 27, 2018 10:17:47 GMT sherlock said:

Mar 27, 2018 9:34:33 GMT shallacatop said:

I agree with putting The Rulers of the Universe before The Sontaran Ordeal, but I’d argue that all Time War related Eighth Doctor stories should go after his first Time War set. The Starship of Theseus seems to be his first proper involvement with it.

However The Conscript suggests that he's been evading the war effort for some time. Theseus could be his first time in an active war zone, as the previous stories only show him skirting around the actual fighting, either picking up the pieces of a battle or being involved in side skirmishes. At the moment I'm sticking with release order for the Eighth Doctor's stories, though future Time War sets could change this.

I’m inclined to agree, but due to the companion situation - he’s picked one up and retained another in and by the end of Time War 1, whereas he’s travelling solo in River/CDNM.

I suppose that could change by the end of the 8/TW series, but for now, it’s my preferred read of the McGann chronology.

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Post by shallacatop on Mar 27, 2018 11:27:50 GMT

Fair points; the timeline not being completely linear works well for the Time War!

So I've had a little bit of downtime during work, and have compiled a list of stories that Big Finish have produced, explicitly involving the Time War, since their licence acquisition of it:

That's 33 stories so far, with another 12 to come just from the Eighth Doctor range, and presumably there's more Gallifrey to come. I find that amazing and I've enjoyed each and every one of them.

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Post by Digi on Mar 27, 2018 23:37:33 GMT

Fleeting thought: when the War Master story picks up again in his own box set in The Good Master, after The Devil You Know, there's probably enough wiggle room to bump the rest of the War Master set out after the end of GTW1.

I don't know if I like how that flows, but in Only the Good:

The Good Master

The Sky Man

The Heavenly Paradigm

However in GTW1:

Desperate Measures

It's not flawless, and as we well know, trying to come up with a timeline for a temporal war is going to be problematic at best, but it's something to consider.

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Post by sherlock on Mar 28, 2018 10:28:28 GMT

Mar 27, 2018 23:37:33 GMT Digi said:

Fleeting thought: when the War Master story picks up again in his own box set in The Good Master, after The Devil You Know, there's probably enough wiggle room to bump the rest of the War Master set out after the end of GTW1.

I don't know if I like how that flows, but in Only the Good:

The Good Master

The Sky Man

The Heavenly Paradigm

However in GTW1:

Desperate Measures

It's not flawless, and as we well know, trying to come up with a timeline for a temporal war is going to be problematic at best, but it's something to consider.

You make interesting points. I've moved it accordingly to just after The Devil You Know. I hope Big Finish do explore somehow the consequences of The Heavenly Paradigm, given its such a game-changer for the entire War according to the Master.

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