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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 22, 2019 17:07:45 GMT
Ooh I just remembered that in A Heart on Both Sides the Doctor said that he’s beginning to see evil on both sides of the conflict.
That would presumably place it before Lords of Terror where he pretty explicitly sees the Time Lords doing evil things for the War effort.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 12, 2019 13:35:55 GMT
Added Deeptime Frontier and Companion Piece to the Prelude.
Frontier has some mention of potential Time Lord future (and thematically links quite well to the Time Lords’ reputation in the war). Companion Piece features Bliss and River alludes to the War at one point.
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Post by sherlock on May 10, 2019 16:25:50 GMT
Big update-I’ve now added comics, novels and short stories. This has mainly impacted Acts 3 and 4, with some short stories and comics for eight and war Doc, and the Aftermath section (comics love to throw in Time War flashbacks it seems).
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Post by sherlock on Jul 3, 2019 14:50:41 GMT
Rage of the Time Lords has been added to Act 2.
I’ve put Concealed Weapon between episodes 2 and 3, as the Master’s aim there basically fits into Rage’s overarching plot (It could also go between episodes 1 and 2 as well, but I think it might fit better in the arc after episode 2).
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Post by Digi on Jul 3, 2019 23:37:47 GMT
I need a reminder: had the War Council been convened in Gallifrey Time War 1? At one point in Rage of the Time Lords, the Master specifically refers to them, so if they don't appear till GTW2, Rage would have to go after. Of course, if I've forgotten them in GTW1, this point is moot
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Post by sherlock on Jul 3, 2019 23:38:51 GMT
I need a reminder: had the War Council been convened in Gallifrey Time War 1? At one point in Rage of the Time Lords, the Master specifically refers to them, so if they don't appear till GTW2, Rage would have to go after. Of course, if I've forgotten them in GTW1, this point is moot The War Council appear right from the start of Time War 1.
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Post by Digi on Jul 3, 2019 23:47:19 GMT
I need a reminder: had the War Council been convened in Gallifrey Time War 1? At one point in Rage of the Time Lords, the Master specifically refers to them, so if they don't appear till GTW2, Rage would have to go after. Of course, if I've forgotten them in GTW1, this point is moot The War Council appear right from the start of Time War 1. Okay, scrub that thought then!
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Post by sherlock on Aug 17, 2019 21:16:05 GMT
Updated with Lies in Ruins and The Eighth Doctor: The Time War Series 3
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 18, 2019 1:16:49 GMT
Didn’t State of Bliss kinda indicate that Starship of Theseus wasn’t the beginning of the Time War from Eight’s perspective?
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Post by Digi on Aug 18, 2019 4:00:29 GMT
How so?
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Post by sherlock on Oct 1, 2019 12:10:41 GMT
Based on the observations by themeddlingmonk in the Eighth Doctor timeline thread, I’ve revisited the Eighth Doctor’s section. I’ve added a new Act 2 (Battered by the Storm) where the Eighth Doctor stories that fit better prior to the events of the Eighth Doctor: Time War series can go. It also gives the Doctor more of a presence in the early stages of the Time War saga, which I like. I’ve also added Mary’s Story to the prelude section.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 1, 2019 13:23:56 GMT
Oh neat. I definitely agree about the Doctor having more of a presence earlier on, and that lends credence to Romana saying that the Doctor refuses to get involved with the War in Solidier Obscura.
Something I noticed was that the sythes in State of Bliss also turn up in Gallifrey: Time War 2. Apologies if I’m way behind on this but is there any link between the two stories that could shed a little more light on the overal timeline?
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Post by sherlock on Oct 1, 2019 14:42:50 GMT
Oh neat. I definitely agree about the Doctor having more of a presence earlier on, and that lends credence to Romana saying that the Doctor refuses to get involved with the War in Solidier Obscura. Something I noticed was that the sythes in State of Bliss also turn up in Gallifrey: Time War 2. Apologies if I’m way behind on this but is there any link between the two stories that could shed a little more light on the overal timeline? I didn’t notice the connection between the two, though I did struggle to follow State of Bliss so that might be why. There were references in Gallifrey: Time War 2 which seemed to indicate the Eighth Doctor Series was set after it. Iirc a representative of the War Council mentions Ollistra getting special dispensation and that off-world training camps are being set up, which seemed designed to setup Ollistra’s authority in the Eighth Doctor series and the camp on Tenacity from The Conscript.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 1, 2019 14:52:14 GMT
Oh neat. I definitely agree about the Doctor having more of a presence earlier on, and that lends credence to Romana saying that the Doctor refuses to get involved with the War in Solidier Obscura. Something I noticed was that the sythes in State of Bliss also turn up in Gallifrey: Time War 2. Apologies if I’m way behind on this but is there any link between the two stories that could shed a little more light on the overal timeline? I didn’t notice the connection between the two, though I did struggle to follow State of Bliss so that might be why. There were references in Gallifrey: Time War 2 which seemed to indicate the Eighth Doctor Series was set after it. Iirc a representative of the War Council mentions Ollistra getting special dispensation and that off-world training camps are being set up, which seemed designed to setup Ollistra’s authority in the Eighth Doctor series and the camp on Tenacity from The Conscript. Ah for some reason I had it in my head that the reference to the special dispensation was in the first Gallifrey set for some reason. I’ve only heard the first episode of the second set so far. i think I’ve gotten my head around State of Bliss, having now heard it three or four times and having played certain scenes over and over to be sure. I think we follow three distinct Timelines: The “Lords of Terror” Bliss, where she never leaves Derilobia which is controlled by a Time Lord Dictatorship. The “Companion Piece” Bliss, from before the outbreak of the Time War who originally studied robotics and computing. Then there’s our Bliss. But it’s difficult to tell which timeline we’re in sometimes because Bliss suddenly becomes aware of all her possible timelines.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 21, 2019 11:31:23 GMT
Added An Ocean of Sawdust to the end of the Prelude.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 10, 2019 17:07:21 GMT
Revisiting the order ahead of War Master 4, I’ve added two TV Comic stories to the Prelude.
Return of the Daleks sees the Daleks working with Renegade Time Lord Shazar to build their own TARDISes, which is foiled by the Doctor and the manipulations of the High Council (curiously this story also refers to the Time Lord homeworld as ‘Jewel’). The Dalek Revenge sees the Time Lords directing the Doctor and Sarah to a world under Dalek occupation (which I guess we could theorise is a subtle counterattack on the Time Lords’ part). So in retrospect, I guess this is another early skirmish between the Daleks and the Time Lords.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 6:48:04 GMT
Revisiting the order ahead of War Master 4, I’ve added two TV Comic stories to the Prelude. Return of the Daleks sees the Daleks working with Renegade Time Lord Shazar to build their own TARDISes, which is foiled by the Doctor and the manipulations of the High Council (curiously this story also refers to the Time Lord homeworld as ‘Jewel’). The Dalek Revenge sees the Time Lords directing the Doctor and Sarah to a world under Dalek occupation (which I guess we could theorise is a subtle counterattack on the Time Lords’ part). So in retrospect, I guess this is another early skirmish between the Daleks and the Time Lords. Kind of makes me wonder if the Old High Gallifreyan word for 'jewel' or 'gem' is a gallifrey.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 11, 2019 12:12:56 GMT
Revisiting the order ahead of War Master 4, I’ve added two TV Comic stories to the Prelude. Return of the Daleks sees the Daleks working with Renegade Time Lord Shazar to build their own TARDISes, which is foiled by the Doctor and the manipulations of the High Council (curiously this story also refers to the Time Lord homeworld as ‘Jewel’). The Dalek Revenge sees the Time Lords directing the Doctor and Sarah to a world under Dalek occupation (which I guess we could theorise is a subtle counterattack on the Time Lords’ part). So in retrospect, I guess this is another early skirmish between the Daleks and the Time Lords. Kind of makes me wonder if the Old High Gallifreyan word for 'jewel' or 'gem' is a gallifrey.CANON!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 12:39:24 GMT
Kind of makes me wonder if the Old High Gallifreyan word for 'jewel' or 'gem' is a gallifrey.CANON!!!!!!!! I'd call that a resounding endorsement, I'll take it.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 17, 2019 19:14:18 GMT
Anti-Genesis has been added to Act 3. {Spoiler} The ending leads directly (unless I’m very much mistaken) into the events of Beneath the Viscoid.
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