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Post by sherlock on Oct 14, 2020 13:07:47 GMT
Shadow of the Daleks 1 has been added to the Prelude. I’ve only heard the first episode, but I’m guessing it’s pretty vague about Time War involvement (given the whole premise is the mysterious influence of the Daleks)? If it gets more explicit, I might add it to the main saga.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 14, 2020 13:23:47 GMT
Shadow of the Daleks 1 has been added to the Prelude. I’ve only heard the first episode, but I’m guessing it’s pretty vague about Time War involvement (given the whole premise is the mysterious influence of the Daleks)? If it gets more explicit, I might add it to the main saga. I'd agree with that. EP 3 Bookshop at the End of the World has the most explicit reference Regards mark687
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Post by jahawk2009 on Oct 28, 2020 15:23:51 GMT
Interested to hear people's thoughts on Hearts of Darkness. There's a direct reference by the Master to the reincarnation of Rassilon in a flashback scene, which places the flashback scene as well as the bulk of the story after Gallifrey TW1, but that doesn't fit with Only the Good 2-3 being a direct continuation of Devil You Know from GTW1, unless they're creating a gap between the two.
The other possibility is that I've misinterpreted the Rassilon mention and it's placed between Rage of the Time-Lords and Anti-Genesis (as AG leads directly into Beneath the Viscous if I remember rightly)
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Post by sherlock on Oct 28, 2020 15:34:17 GMT
Interested to hear people's thoughts on Hearts of Darkness. There's a direct reference by the Master to the reincarnation of Rassilon in a flashback scene, which places the flashback scene as well as the bulk of the story after Gallifrey TW1, but that doesn't fit with Only the Good 2-3 being a direct continuation of Devil You Know from GTW1, unless they're creating a gap between the two. The other possibility is that I've misinterpreted the Rassilon mention and it's placed between Rage of the Time-Lords and Anti-Genesis (as AG leads directly into Beneath the Viscous if I remember rightly) I haven’t listened to it myself but it’s worth noting that Titan’s Eleventh Doctor strips introduced an incarnation of the Master who fought in the War Doctor’s era and regenerated into Jacobi’s Master. So despite Jacobi’s Master interacting with early Time War Time Lords, he’s actually experienced later points in the War already (if you take Titan into account).
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Post by jahawk2009 on Oct 28, 2020 15:37:59 GMT
Interested to hear people's thoughts on Hearts of Darkness. There's a direct reference by the Master to the reincarnation of Rassilon in a flashback scene, which places the flashback scene as well as the bulk of the story after Gallifrey TW1, but that doesn't fit with Only the Good 2-3 being a direct continuation of Devil You Know from GTW1, unless they're creating a gap between the two. The other possibility is that I've misinterpreted the Rassilon mention and it's placed between Rage of the Time-Lords and Anti-Genesis (as AG leads directly into Beneath the Viscous if I remember rightly) I haven’t listened to it myself but it’s worth noting that Titan’s Eleventh Doctor strips introduced an incarnation of the Master who fought in the War Doctor’s era and regenerated into Jacobi’s Master. So despite Jacobi’s Master interacting with early Time War Time Lords, he’s actually experienced later points in the War already (if you take Titan into account). That's interesting - I wasn't actually aware of that. How confusing 😂
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Post by theillusiveman on Oct 28, 2020 15:49:17 GMT
I Thought Hearts of Darkness was a prequel To Rage of The Time Lords hence why 8 forgets This incarnation of The Master entirely to line up with Utopia
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Post by jahawk2009 on Oct 28, 2020 15:50:34 GMT
I Thought Hearts of Darkness was a prequel To Rage of The Time Lords hence why 8 forgets This incarnation of The Master entirely to line up with Utopia Hmm that could work. But in Rage I don't think he recognises this incarnation of the Master? Or am I misremembering
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Post by x2magneto on Oct 28, 2020 15:55:39 GMT
I Thought Hearts of Darkness was a prequel To Rage of The Time Lords hence why 8 forgets This incarnation of The Master entirely to line up with Utopia Hmm that could work. But in Rage I don't think he recognises this incarnation of the Master? Or am I misremembering Listened to Rage recently. 8 doesn't know who he is. He mentions that whoever Master(who wants him to guess) is, he could be one of 12 people that he knows, I think. After he finds out, the info is erased in the final moments of the final story.
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Post by jahawk2009 on Oct 28, 2020 15:57:41 GMT
Hmm that could work. But in Rage I don't think he recognises this incarnation of the Master? Or am I misremembering Listened to Rage recently. 8 doesn't know who he is. He mentions that whoever Master(who wants him to guess) is, he could be one of 12 people that he knows, I think. After he finds out, the info is erased in the final moments of the final story. I thought so! Rage is a closed loop. This could be before or after, but if before would require yet another 8/War Master mindwipe scenario
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Post by sherlock on Oct 28, 2020 16:00:06 GMT
I’ve added Hearts of Darkness to Act 2, inbetween Cyber-Reality and Anti-Genesis.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 4, 2021 17:49:32 GMT
There’s some references in Gallifrey: Time War 4 which imply the Doctor has become the War Doctor. So I’ve shuffled Volumes 3 and 4 (which kinda tie together) to after The Night of the Doctor.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 6, 2021 13:59:32 GMT
There’s some references in Gallifrey: Time War 4 which imply the Doctor has become the War Doctor. So I’ve shuffled Volumes 3 and 4 (which kinda tie together) to after The Night of the Doctor.Did you think that they alluded to the War Doctor in Beyond, but it strangely seemed to be Eight in Homecoming? I guess you could put it down to Romana & Leela being out of the loop, but it did stick out to me.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 6, 2021 14:06:16 GMT
There’s some references in Gallifrey: Time War 4 which imply the Doctor has become the War Doctor. So I’ve shuffled Volumes 3 and 4 (which kinda tie together) to after The Night of the Doctor.Did you think that they alluded to the War Doctor in Beyond, but it strangely seemed to be Eight in Homecoming? I guess you could put it down to Romana & Leela being out of the loop, but it did stick out to me. I thought it was consistently War Doctor. Romana claims to have heard that the Doctor’s changed for the worse in Beyond. Then in Homecoming Leela makes a remark about the Doctor’s disapproval of weapons but Romana counters something to effect of “not anymore” (need to relisten for exact wording). So I get the sense that Romana is aware of the War Doctor but Leela is out of the loop. I could be misremembering.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 6, 2021 14:29:30 GMT
Honestly the biggest disappointment of Gallifrey time war ending is now we never will get to see The 8th Doctor ever meeting Romana 2
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 14:46:33 GMT
Honestly the biggest disappointment of Gallifrey time war ending is now we never will get to see The 8th Doctor ever meeting Romana 2 She can meet him anytime really prior to the events though (not counting Shada)...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 14:47:11 GMT
Am I the only one really bored of the Time War?
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 6, 2021 14:57:26 GMT
Honestly the biggest disappointment of Gallifrey time war ending is now we never will get to see The 8th Doctor ever meeting Romana 2 She can meet him anytime really prior to the events though (not counting Shada)... Not really Gallifrey 1 stated that basically 8 turned his back on romana and Gallifrey by not helping of course this is offscreen and such
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 6, 2021 14:58:13 GMT
Am I the only one really bored of the Time War? Yeah honestly the time war has lost its mystique Then agian I blame Moffatt for that with Night and Day of the Doctor
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 15:04:04 GMT
Am I the only one really bored of the Time War? Yeah honestly the time war has lost its mystique Then agian I blame Moffatt for that with Night and Day of the Doctor Nah I blame Bf hahahaha am not even the slightest bit interested in the young war Doctor series let’s be done with it and move on hahaha
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 6, 2021 15:14:23 GMT
Did you think that they alluded to the War Doctor in Beyond, but it strangely seemed to be Eight in Homecoming? I guess you could put it down to Romana & Leela being out of the loop, but it did stick out to me. I thought it was consistently War Doctor. Romana claims to have heard that the Doctor’s changed for the worse in Beyond. Then in Homecoming Leela makes a remark about the Doctor’s disapproval of weapons but Romana counters something to effect of “not anymore” (need to relisten for exact wording). So I get the sense that Romana is aware of the War Doctor but Leela is out of the loop. I could be misremembering. Ah, I think it might have been me mishearing that exchange between Romana & Leela in Homecoming as I thought Romana said something in response that alluded to the Doctor still not fighting, which implied Eight to me. What you’ve said makes more sense!
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