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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 10:40:10 GMT
Totally agree. Also, the whole John Drake theory. What does it add to the show? If he is John Drake does it make anything more interesting? On the surface the show is about an individual who works for some important government agency resigning & being kidnapped in order to find out why he resigned. But that isn't really what the show is about. Nope, but it paints an interesting picture of both series and adds a bit more texture. No less valid than say The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's efforts at intertextuality, pairing up King Solomon's Mines, Dracula, Twenty Thousand Leagues, Jekyll and Hyde and scores of other stories, which I'm sure the authors never intended should meet. That said, no one is forcing either idea on anyone. I'm very content in the "Drake is No. 6" concept. Maybe. But don't see the example of League being valid. A very different idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 10:51:33 GMT
The thing is the prisoner is an allegory series, its not about the big mystery's like whos number 6 or number 1 or whatever. Its simply a vehicle to tell interesting and thought provoking stories on a range of subjects. Yeah you can say 6 is danger man but personally i think that idea cheapens the show a bit or at best adds little.
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Post by paulh on Nov 10, 2018 11:20:10 GMT
The discussion here has only convinced me further that any attempt to fill in No 6's back story and reveal his identity - whether he be John Drake or someone else - would be a mistake. Far better to leave it ambiguous so people can have their own theories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 12:14:41 GMT
Nope, but it paints an interesting picture of both series and adds a bit more texture. No less valid than say The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen's efforts at intertextuality, pairing up King Solomon's Mines, Dracula, Twenty Thousand Leagues, Jekyll and Hyde and scores of other stories, which I'm sure the authors never intended should meet. That said, no one is forcing either idea on anyone. I'm very content in the "Drake is No. 6" concept. Maybe. But don't see the example of League being valid. A very different idea. Kinda... League borrows quite a bit from the original stories as well as extrapolating what came after. We don't see Dracula, but we get some of its after effects in the first volume, sure. But the second volume's definitely set during The War of the Worlds with the red weed that invades London. What makes League different is that it throws as much as it can into that same story all at once. Bond teaming up with Emma Night (soon to be Peel), who ends up being the Judi Dench-inspired M and so on. (As an aside: I love how Bond ends up being the one to kill Bulldog Drummond, the character who inspired him in the first place. It's a rather endearing bit of dramatic irony.) The discussion here has only convinced me further that any attempt to fill in No 6's back story and reveal his identity - whether he be John Drake or someone else - would be a mistake. Far better to leave it ambiguous so people can have their own theories. That's the fun bit. Anything definitive in the text itself would be very un- Prisoner like (why directly affirm No. 6's identity? He's a non-person in the Village, it's part of his punishment), but it's cool to speculate. I'm largely of the same mind when it comes to Doctor Who. Just referring to the Doctor as a foundling works for me, it offers a lot of The Importance of Being Earnest gags ("Yes, Lady President. I was in a picnic hamper--a somewhat large, brown wicker hamper, with handles to it--an ordinary hamper in fact.").
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Post by paulh on Nov 10, 2018 12:33:21 GMT
Maybe. But don't see the example of League being valid. A very different idea. Kinda... League borrows quite a bit from the original stories as well as extrapolating what came after. We don't see Dracula, but we get some of its after effects in the first volume, sure. But the second volume's definitely set during The War of the Worlds with the red weed that invades London. What makes League different is that it throws as much as it can into that same story all at once. Bond teaming up with Emma Night (soon to be Peel), who ends up being the Judi Dench-inspired M and so on. (As an aside: I love how Bond ends up being the one to kill Bulldog Drummond, the character who inspired him in the first place. It's a rather endearing bit of dramatic irony.) The discussion here has only convinced me further that any attempt to fill in No 6's back story and reveal his identity - whether he be John Drake or someone else - would be a mistake. Far better to leave it ambiguous so people can have their own theories. That's the fun bit. Anything definitive in the text itself would be very un- Prisoner like (why directly affirm No. 6's identity? He's a non-person in the Village, it's part of his punishment), but it's cool to speculate. I'm largely of the same mind when it comes to Doctor Who. Just referring to the Doctor as a foundling works for me, it offers a lot of The Importance of Being Earnest gags ("Yes, Lady President. I was in a picnic hamper--a somewhat large, brown wicker hamper, with handles to it--an ordinary hamper in fact."). League of Extraordinary Gentleman was quite unique. It seemed almost every major cult character turned up in it at some point, including Cathy Gale, Tara King and Purdey from The Avengers and Lonely and David Callan. I can't remember if No6 appeared, but it feels as though he should have!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 1:46:18 GMT
Kinda... League borrows quite a bit from the original stories as well as extrapolating what came after. We don't see Dracula, but we get some of its after effects in the first volume, sure. But the second volume's definitely set during The War of the Worlds with the red weed that invades London. What makes League different is that it throws as much as it can into that same story all at once. Bond teaming up with Emma Night (soon to be Peel), who ends up being the Judi Dench-inspired M and so on. (As an aside: I love how Bond ends up being the one to kill Bulldog Drummond, the character who inspired him in the first place. It's a rather endearing bit of dramatic irony.) That's the fun bit. Anything definitive in the text itself would be very un- Prisoner like (why directly affirm No. 6's identity? He's a non-person in the Village, it's part of his punishment), but it's cool to speculate. I'm largely of the same mind when it comes to Doctor Who. Just referring to the Doctor as a foundling works for me, it offers a lot of The Importance of Being Earnest gags ("Yes, Lady President. I was in a picnic hamper--a somewhat large, brown wicker hamper, with handles to it--an ordinary hamper in fact."). League of Extraordinary Gentleman was quite unique. It seemed almost every major cult character turned up in it at some point, including Cathy Gale, Tara King and Purdey from The Avengers and Lonely and David Callan. I can't remember if No6 appeared, but it feels as though he should have! It's rather glorious, isn't it? I did a reread of The Black Dossier and there is a reference to "a special village in Wales" as a souvenir from Ingsoc days. Night Industries end up making dream inducers and the rovers for it. A few pages later, Mina and Allan lament that they can't find anything on the agency's new boys: "like Drake and Meres" ('lo Callan's partner). A-ha! Found Drake in his suit-and-tie, he's coming up the stairs just outside M's office. One of the great things I love about writing is subtext. Characters can know things that the audience doesn't as much as vice versa. George Markstein, the show's original co-creator and script editor thought that No. 6 was Drake, but he never put in anything more than a nod and a wink. I very much enjoy the idea that Six is aware of everything, but he's not going to tell the audience because we are unintentionally in collusion with the Village. We often know what they're up to before he does. Actually, now that I think about it maybe the phrase "No. 6 was Drake" is more accurate. By the end of The Prisoner, I'm not entirely certain Six knows who he is, was or could be anymore. I think he's done his best to forget. The past's little more than a collection of stagelit set pieces for an unmutual without name. Was he a man called Drake? He'll never tell. In the Village, he is the Free Man, what else is there?
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Post by paulh on Nov 11, 2018 10:51:55 GMT
It's rather glorious, isn't it? I did a reread of The Black Dossier and there is a reference to "a special village in Wales" as a souvenir from Ingsoc days. Night Industries end up making dream inducers and the rovers for it. A few pages later, Mina and Allan lament that they can't find anything on the agency's new boys: "like Drake and Meres" ('lo Callan's partner). A-ha! Found Drake in his suit-and-tie, he's coming up the stairs just outside M's office.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 18:40:03 GMT
Maybe. But don't see the example of League being valid. A very different idea. Kinda... League borrows quite a bit from the original stories as well as extrapolating what came after. We don't see Dracula, but we get some of its after effects in the first volume, sure. But the second volume's definitely set during The War of the Worlds with the red weed that invades London. What makes League different is that it throws as much as it can into that same story all at once. Bond teaming up with Emma Night (soon to be Peel), who ends up being the Judi Dench-inspired M and so on. (As an aside: I love how Bond ends up being the one to kill Bulldog Drummond, the character who inspired him in the first place. It's a rather endearing bit of dramatic irony.) The discussion here has only convinced me further that any attempt to fill in No 6's back story and reveal his identity - whether he be John Drake or someone else - would be a mistake. Far better to leave it ambiguous so people can have their own theories. That's the fun bit. Anything definitive in the text itself would be very un- Prisoner like (why directly affirm No. 6's identity? He's a non-person in the Village, it's part of his punishment), but it's cool to speculate. I'm largely of the same mind when it comes to Doctor Who. Just referring to the Doctor as a foundling works for me, it offers a lot of The Importance of Being Earnest gags ("Yes, Lady President. I was in a picnic hamper--a somewhat large, brown wicker hamper, with handles to it--an ordinary hamper in fact."). League is set in a universe where characters from established fiction, initially 19th century fiction, are real. Nothing at all like or comparable to The Prisoner
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 11, 2018 18:49:32 GMT
It is also worth mentioning that co-creator George Markstein has always maintained that Drake was Number 6.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 22:58:32 GMT
Kinda... League borrows quite a bit from the original stories as well as extrapolating what came after. We don't see Dracula, but we get some of its after effects in the first volume, sure. But the second volume's definitely set during The War of the Worlds with the red weed that invades London. What makes League different is that it throws as much as it can into that same story all at once. Bond teaming up with Emma Night (soon to be Peel), who ends up being the Judi Dench-inspired M and so on. (As an aside: I love how Bond ends up being the one to kill Bulldog Drummond, the character who inspired him in the first place. It's a rather endearing bit of dramatic irony.) That's the fun bit. Anything definitive in the text itself would be very un- Prisoner like (why directly affirm No. 6's identity? He's a non-person in the Village, it's part of his punishment), but it's cool to speculate. I'm largely of the same mind when it comes to Doctor Who. Just referring to the Doctor as a foundling works for me, it offers a lot of The Importance of Being Earnest gags ("Yes, Lady President. I was in a picnic hamper--a somewhat large, brown wicker hamper, with handles to it--an ordinary hamper in fact."). League is set in a universe where characters from established fiction, initially 19th century fiction, are real. Nothing at all like or comparable to The Prisoner Oh, I dunno, it's wildly experimental, genre-snapping, happy to play with your perceptions of what it's supposed to be vs. what it actually is (a graphic novel that abandons being a graphic novel and becomes a full-prose novella in significant parts). The Prisoner has structurally been a marked influence on all of Moore's work since he was thirteen. He calls it a masterpiece. It is also worth mentioning that co-creator George Markstein has always maintained that Drake was Number 6. This here could be of personal interest, it's the Danger Man site's theory of which episodes, in hindsight, could have thematically lead into The Prisoner.
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Post by Star Platinum on Feb 6, 2019 17:28:02 GMT
Delayed until August.
Disappointing, but unsurprising.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:01:55 GMT
Delayed until August. Disappointing, but unsurprising. So that's Jekyll and Hyde, Charley Pollard, War of the Worlds, Prisoner 2, presumably Human Frontier. All delayed, and all by the same writer. 'Just saying.'
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Post by axelotl38 on Feb 7, 2019 12:22:56 GMT
I could be wrong, but with Human Frontier, wasn't it a matter that they're waiting for Nick's #1 casting choices to be available? And also with Martian Invasion, waiting for Richard Armitage?
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Post by mark687 on Feb 7, 2019 12:28:55 GMT
I could be wrong, but with Human Frontier, wasn't it a matter that they're waiting for Nick's #1 casting choices to be available? And also with Martian Invasion, waiting for Richard Armitage? Correct
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:34:33 GMT
Delayed until August. Disappointing, but unsurprising. So that's Jekyll and Hyde, Charley Pollard, War of the Worlds, Prisoner 2, presumably Human Frontier. All delayed, and all by the same writer. 'Just saying.' Why not delay minor stuff like that? Dalek Empire: The Time War (Vol.1) should get priority!
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Post by mark687 on Feb 7, 2019 12:41:15 GMT
So that's Jekyll and Hyde, Charley Pollard, War of the Worlds, Prisoner 2, presumably Human Frontier. All delayed, and all by the same writer. 'Just saying.' Why not delay minor stuff like that? Dalek Empire: The Time War (Vol.1) should get priority! NO it should be Bandrill Empire: The Time War!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Feb 7, 2019 12:43:31 GMT
So that's Jekyll and Hyde, Charley Pollard, War of the Worlds, Prisoner 2, presumably Human Frontier. All delayed, and all by the same writer. 'Just saying.' Why not delay minor stuff like that? Dalek Empire: The Time War (Vol.1) should get priority! It should! I'm just saddened that Mark won't get to outdo McGoohan in episodes.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 7, 2019 12:49:18 GMT
Why not delay minor stuff like that? Dalek Empire: The Time War (Vol.1) should get priority! It should! I'm just saddened that Mark won't get to outdo McGoohan in episodes. He might the "Official Statement" on the delay was somewhat ambiguous on that.
An update on The Prisoner 3 from director and creator of the Prisoner audio series, Nicholas Briggs, ‘I’m very sorry to say that pressures of work on other projects at Big Finish have meant that my work on The Prisoner Volume 3 has been delayed. The good news is that I’ve returned to writing it and with this extra time in the schedule, I’m looking forward to getting into studio with something that sounds spookily like a finale? Or is it?’
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 19:43:30 GMT
Vol. 3 is recording next week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 9:27:25 GMT
November will,be my most anticipated month What with Ravenous wrapping up and also this release. Am secretly hoping it’s not a Finale but leads somewhat closer to an ending that’s original and not like the TV show.
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