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Post by omega on Mar 24, 2018 23:47:51 GMT
Favorite Sixth Doctor TV story: Vengeance on Varos
Favorite Sixth Doctor TV companion: Peri
Yes, I know there's a lot less choice here. And no, McCoy in a wig at the start of Time and the Rani isn't an option. So what are your favorites from this all too short era?
Season 21:
The Twin Dilemma
Season 22:
Attack of the Cybermen
Vengeance on Varos
The Mark of the Rani
The Two Doctors
Timelash
Revelation of the Daleks
Season 23 (Trial of a Time Lord):
The Mysterious Planet
Mindwarp
Terror of the Vervoids
The Ultimate Foe
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 1:19:27 GMT
I went for season 23 as a whole as i class Trial as one story in my list of favorites anyway (on which it sits high). Though honestly i think Colins era on tv is vahstly underrated anyway. Save “Twin Dilemma” and maybes “Mark of the Rani”, i think all the storys are at least an eight or above (yes even timelash)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 2:56:15 GMT
I went for season 23 as a whole as i class Trial as one story in my list of favorites anyway (on which it sits high). Though honestly i think Colins era on tv is vahstly underrated anyway. Save “Twin Dilemma” and maybes “Mark of the Rani”, i think all the storys are at least an eight or above (yes even timelash) 's only real flaw is probably the same as The Web Planet. It's not necessarily bad storytelling, but just... the... endless... padding... It makes a cosy 25-minute two-parter when you strip away all those extraneous scenes. The Twin Dilemma, likewise, has a really nice story at the heart of it about the Doctor meeting a blackmailed old mentor who's seemingly fallen from grace. But again, it's the padding and pointless scenes that really hurt it. They were both really fun to re-edit (*cough* shameless plug *cough*), but I'd point to the end of The Twin Dilemma for fans of the Sixth Doctor. That penultimate scene between Colin Baker and Maurice Denham as Azmael slips away is everything the Sixth Doctor can be just in one scene. It's absolutely marvellous. My three are Vengeance on Varos, The Two Doctors and Revelation of the Daleks. One shows him in his own heroic element (with his own original elements), the next shows he can hold his own against his peers (and you can't really go wrong with Bob Holmes) and the last is just a really great story in general (very early Blake's 7 in tone). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 9:43:51 GMT
I went for season 23 as a whole as i class Trial as one story in my list of favorites anyway (on which it sits high). Though honestly i think Colins era on tv is vahstly underrated anyway. Save “Twin Dilemma” and maybes “Mark of the Rani”, i think all the storys are at least an eight or above (yes even timelash) 's only real flaw is probably the same as The Web Planet. It's not necessarily bad storytelling, but just... the... endless... padding... It makes a cosy 25-minute two-parter when you strip away all those extraneous scenes. The Twin Dilemma, likewise, has a really nice story at the heart of it about the Doctor meeting a blackmailed old mentor who's seemingly fallen from grace. But again, it's the padding and pointless scenes that really hurt it. They were both really fun to re-edit (*cough* shameless plug *cough*), but I'd point to the end of The Twin Dilemma for fans of the Sixth Doctor. That penultimate scene between Colin Baker and Maurice Denham as Azmael slips away is everything the Sixth Doctor can be just in one scene. It's absolutely marvellous. My three are Vengeance on Varos, The Two Doctors and Revelation of the Daleks. One shows him in his own heroic element (with his own original elements), the next shows he can hold his own against his peers (and you can't really go wrong with Bob Holmes) and the last is just a really great story in general (very early Blake's 7 in tone). Agree about the padding, a lot of stuff could be cut out and it things wouldnt change too much. Ill have to make sure to check some of your re-edits out and see if the twin dilemma becomes the masterpiece it was always meant to be  ) |
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Post by thethirddoctor on Mar 25, 2018 11:28:55 GMT
Not a great period.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 11:36:31 GMT
Had to make a tough decision between The Twin Dilemma and Timelash there, which is not something I'd expect most people will have to go through.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 12:09:01 GMT
I just voted for the Dalek story... the rest of that era is not for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 12:42:31 GMT
Timelash's only real flaw is probably the same as The Web Planet. It's not necessarily bad storytelling, but just... the... endless... padding... It makes a cosy 25-minute two-parter when you strip away all those extraneous scenes. The Twin Dilemma, likewise, has a really nice story at the heart of it about the Doctor meeting a blackmailed old mentor who's seemingly fallen from grace. But again, it's the padding and pointless scenes that really hurt it. They were both really fun to re-edit (*cough* shameless plug *cough*), but I'd point to the end of The Twin Dilemma for fans of the Sixth Doctor. That penultimate scene between Colin Baker and Maurice Denham as Azmael slips away is everything the Sixth Doctor can be just in one scene. It's absolutely marvellous. My three are Vengeance on Varos, The Two Doctors and Revelation of the Daleks. One shows him in his own heroic element (with his own original elements), the next shows he can hold his own against his peers (and you can't really go wrong with Bob Holmes) and the last is just a really great story in general (very early Blake's 7 in tone). Agree about the padding, a lot of stuff could be cut out and it things wouldnt change too much. Ill have to make sure to check some of your re-edits out and see if the twin dilemma becomes the masterpiece it was always meant to be ) Whoa, hey, let's not go crazy here.  Still, if you're interested, I hope you enjoy watching it. |
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Post by number13 on Mar 25, 2018 13:59:04 GMT
In broadcast order: Vengeance on Varos The Two Doctors Season 23 'The Trial of a Time Lord' My 'honourable mention' would be 'Timelash' which I think is ideas-packed and a lot of fun if you're in the right mood. Yes, really, I do!  |
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Post by sherlock on Mar 25, 2018 14:08:15 GMT
Of the sixth Doctor era I've seen Attack of the Cybermen (did not like it), Vengeance on Varos (can see why it's a classic), The Two Doctors (not bad) and The Trial of a Time Lord, which I watched in a one-day marathon. I really liked watching Trial as one long story, it even meant I liked Mel in her first scene just as a contrast to the bleakness of Mindwarp.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 21:10:21 GMT
In broadcast order: Vengeance on Varos The Two Doctors Season 23 'The Trial of a Time Lord' My 'honourable mention' would be 'Timelash' which I think is ideas-packed and a lot of fun if you're in the right mood. Yes, really, I do! Timelash is a massive amount of fun if you go in already knowing that it's a bit rubbish. It's also got a great Doctor vs monster confrontation about 2/3 of the way through part 2. All the nonsensical stuff (hammy acting, glittery space tunnel, H.G. Wells(!), the Borad coming back literally five minutes after being offed, the Bandrils, the idea that it's a sequel to a nonexistent Pertwee story, and, of course, the "I'll explain later" ending) adds up to a really great and bizarre hour and a half. Everything that should apparently work against the story genuinely works in it's favour once you realise what an oddity the whole thing is. |
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Post by constonks on Mar 27, 2018 15:46:05 GMT
In broadcast order: Vengeance on Varos The Two Doctors Season 23 'The Trial of a Time Lord' My 'honourable mention' would be 'Timelash' which I think is ideas-packed and a lot of fun if you're in the right mood. Yes, really, I do! Almost the same for me - but swap Vengeance & Timelash. Vengeance is probably a better story than any of the other three but personally I like Timelash more. It's trash but it's campy fun. Trial is so ambitious it's great even if the stories are a bit standard at times, and they also have some great lines. I love the bit in Mysterious Planet about the three books that are left on Ravalox and Colin's "absolute power" speech is obviously great. The Ultimate Foe is terrible, of course. There's still ambition in its Matrix plot but it's left over from Deadly Assassin and it just makes no sense. As for Two Doctors, that's all Troughton and Jamie, even if it's too long and the Doctor literally murders someone with poison. None of these are my favourite Sixth Doctor stories though - those are all books and audios and comics. He's always been an EU Doctor for me. (Mayyyybe Trial would make a top twenty??) |
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