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Post by david on Nov 7, 2015 2:15:50 GMT
I'm sure we've all read online reports that next year there would be specials - or even just Christmas - and that Capaldi may leave at the end of 2016 having done only 2 full series. Even recent reports were that Capaldi had signed for the calendar year but not neccessarily a number of stories. So it's refreshing to read these words from Steven Moffat: www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-06/steven-moffat-can-confirm-absolutely-that-there-will-be-a-full-series-of-doctor-who-next-year""We’re making a full series. I can confirm that," said Moffat. "I’m making a full series of 12 episodes, plus a Christmas special. I don’t know when it goes out. That’s up to someone else. And even if I did know – which I genuinely don’t – I wouldn’t be allowed to say so as I have absolutely no say in it whatsoever. [But] it’s not being reduced in size. We’re not making fewer episodes. That’s all complete bunk. I can confirm that absolutely." Now...he's not in charge of scheduling so we may not get ALL 13 eps next year but he's pretty clear there's a full series 10. For me that's the key - a third full series of Capaldi. I'd hate, hate, hate to lose him so soon. This was also from the Radio Times and is interesting: www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-06/is-doctor-who-on-too-late-steven-moffat-thinks-so" [Scheduling] is entirely in Charlotte Moore’s control, a very fine controller of BBC1. We have conversations about it. I’ve expressed my views. We’re all pretty much agreed that the bold experiment of being on too late isn’t a great idea. There’s not a big controversy. I am not exercising my non-existent muscle at the BBC. I have literally none. But I think we’re agreed that we’re not going to do that again. If you look at consolidated [ratings], we’re fine. We’re slightly down because we’re on a later slot, which I don’t think is the smartest move we’ve ever made. No one’s to blame for it but I don’t think 8:25pm is right for Doctor Who." Capaldi agrees: “I feel it’s slightly used as a pawn in a Saturday night warfare. I feel as if it should go out at 7.30pm or around that time. I see a lot of kids and a lot of families and these families who all love Doctor Who want to sit down and watch it together." www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/06/doctor-who-scheduling-pawn-bbc-peter-capaldiThere's NO way in hell Doctor Who gets anywhere near 6.30-8.30pm in the Autumn - Strictly Come Dancing is getting the biggest ratings in the country in that spot. About 10 million a week even before I-Player is added. A juggeraut. It's getting better ratings than David Tennants peak series did so that's not getting shifted. Showing Who earlier than that means it would need to be on about 5.30 and that's a dead slot. So a move back to the Spring seems like an obvious fix. There's no Strictly to block it. It's impossible for Spring 2016 of course but speculating..... If I can play fantasy BBC Scheduler/Who Showrunner......then I'd love a full series every year and Capaldi stays for at least 3 more years. Being a realist however, my guess is that the following happens: Autumn 2016 - Series 10 Part 1. Not ideal but it's the soonest we can expect Who. 5 eps. Christmas 2016 - Christmas Special Spring 2016 - Series 10 Part 2. 7 eps. Christmas 2016 - Christmas Special and Capaldi's regeneration Spring 2017 - Series 11 FULL Series. New Doctor. 12 eps Now, that's going to be a decent sized gap between Series 10 and 11 (though it's the same as the gap from Series 6-Series 7) but it gives the chance for an entire series to be written,shot, post-produced the show to get back to the timeslot it does best in and - potentially - a new showrunner and Doctor to bed in. |
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Post by apdalek22 on Nov 7, 2015 5:19:56 GMT
Really hope Capaldi does a couple more seasons he is really getting entrenched in the role would like to see him once he gets his new companion
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 7:56:09 GMT
I hope you're right, doing a full series every 14 months is so much better than every third or fourth year only being specials or half seasons.
This theor doesn't need to be a split series either, it could just start mod November. however, Moffat has to be involved in the scheduling if there's to be a 2016 Christmas special because he needs to know where in the series it sits. If he just makes the traditional 12 episodes with a Christmas special narratively set after, then the series has to conclude before 25.12.16
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Post by constonks on Nov 7, 2015 11:38:06 GMT
Summer 2016 maybe??
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2015 11:38:12 GMT
This theor doesn't need to be a split series either, it could just start mod November. however, Moffat has to be involved in the scheduling if there's to be a 2016 Christmas special because he needs to know where in the series it sits. If he just makes the traditional 12 episodes with a Christmas special narratively set after, then the series has to conclude before 25.12.16 That, though, would miss the point about Moffat and Capaldi both saying the timeslot is wrong for Who and leading to lower ratings. If you air for 12 eps starting it next November, it's still going to be on in that same late slot at least till Ep 8 or so. Moving it to November from October doesn't fix anything going forward. |
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2015 11:39:49 GMT
There's not enough time now. Takes nearly 9 months from filming to air a series. For that to have been possible Capaldi and Moffat would have had to have gone from Series 9 straight into 10 and that's something even the workaholic RTD wouldn't have done. |
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Post by mark687 on Nov 7, 2015 12:08:47 GMT
Promotion for the general audience is what needed, someone at the BBC MUST see the irony that the only regular general promotion DW gets now is on the Radio show of the guy who judges on the show DW's up against every week! Yet every other drama is promoted weekly during its run, with star interviews/ on set reports in all the Daytime Lifestyle TV shows. The main actress is leaving the show for crying out loud. Will she be killed off? Will she just walk away? Have they cast her replacement? These are all questions that could be raised for a general audience to consider.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 12:21:36 GMT
This theor doesn't need to be a split series either, it could just start mod November. however, Moffat has to be involved in the scheduling if there's to be a 2016 Christmas special because he needs to know where in the series it sits. If he just makes the traditional 12 episodes with a Christmas special narratively set after, then the series has to conclude before 25.12.16 That, though, would miss the point about Moffat and Capaldi both saying the timeslot is wrong for Who and leading to lower ratings. If you air for 12 eps starting it next November, it's still going to be on in that same late slot at least till Ep 8 or so. Moving it to November from October doesn't fix anything going forward. Ttue, but the point I'm trying to make is that fot Moffat to make a 2016 Christmas special he has to know if it's set before, during or after series 10. So he has to know what the likely scheduling is |
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2015 12:34:15 GMT
That, though, would miss the point about Moffat and Capaldi both saying the timeslot is wrong for Who and leading to lower ratings. If you air for 12 eps starting it next November, it's still going to be on in that same late slot at least till Ep 8 or so. Moving it to November from October doesn't fix anything going forward. Ttue, but the point I'm trying to make is that fot Moffat to make a 2016 Christmas special he has to know if it's set before, during or after series 10. So he has to know what the likely scheduling is Certainly. More pertinently, Capaldi's not signing up for more without an idea of when its filming. He's a working actor and director. I'm sure there's plenty Moffat can't say right now and we'll get a better idea when casting calls and filming slots are booked. He had a similiar problem in 2011 with the split season and got round it by writing a solo Doctor story with just a cameo for Amy and Rory (who it wasn't sure would be on board post-Series 6). That could easily be done again but not, of course as you imply, if there's anything too arc-y in there. The Snowmen, for one, had to be in a set postion for the overall Clara arc. Plus...that workaround in 2011 was Doctor, The Widow And The Wardrobe and I'm not sure any of us would want to see that again.  |
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Post by aztec on Nov 7, 2015 14:11:01 GMT
Relieved that Capaldi is signed on for a 3rd series (though I'm hoping he does a 4th and 5th personally), but I think it's very likely series 10 is going to be split across winter/spring 2016-17 due to his and Moffat's prior commitments with other projects, I share Capaldi's concerns about the current timeslot for who, and assuming Series 10 is Moffat's last as showrunnner, hopefully the delay will give him more time to plan his exit so he goes out on a high.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 7, 2015 16:05:34 GMT
What I find strange, especially with this series being made up of two parters is that there is no longer a repeat showing of the latest episode on (for example) a Friday. They used to do that on BBC Three. Or have I just missed that?
I am one of those 10 million who love Strictly and that takes all my attention on a Saturday night. The good Doctor is recorded for watching at a later (often a much later) date.
So what would be so wrong about scheduling a series in the new year? The Christmas Special could act like an opening introduction to that series and as it would be scheduled soon afterwards could keep that Christmas audience. January - March would be ideal to my mind. And no dancing show to mess-up the 7pm time slot.
The only downside I can think of is the fact you would have to go from April to Christmas without any new episodes, but that is the same issue we have waiting from Christmas to September.
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2015 16:27:32 GMT
Interesting scheduling development this afternoon. The show that is currently in the 7pm January-April slot is The Voice. This afternoon the BBC announced they have lost the rights to it after next year due to being unwilling to compete with another broadcaster. So..that's January-June 2017 completely open after The Voice leaves. We know Atlantis isn't coming back so that frees up the post-Voice pre-summer weeks
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Post by mark687 on Nov 7, 2015 16:41:16 GMT
Interesting scheduling development this afternoon. The show that is currently in the 7pm January-April slot is The Voice. This afternoon the BBC announced they have lost the rights to it after next year due to being unwilling to compete with another broadcaster. So..that's January-June 2017 completely open after The Voice leaves. We know Atlantis isn't coming back so that frees up the post-Voice pre-summer weeks But with all the mucking about with the Charter no one can be Absolutely sure of the remit/format of the BBC post December 2016 so how can program commitments be made for then in the first place?
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Post by jasonward on Nov 7, 2015 16:45:29 GMT
Clearly, for whatever reason, the BBC feel that they are able, or indeed must, commit to things beyond the end of the current Charter, if the BBC were to sit on their hands waiting for a new Charter before committing to anything an awful lot about the BBC would just unravel.
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2015 16:58:26 GMT
Interesting scheduling development this afternoon. The show that is currently in the 7pm January-April slot is The Voice. This afternoon the BBC announced they have lost the rights to it after next year due to being unwilling to compete with another broadcaster. So..that's January-June 2017 completely open after The Voice leaves. We know Atlantis isn't coming back so that frees up the post-Voice pre-summer weeks But with all the mucking about with the Charter no one can be Absolutely sure of the remit/format of the BBC post December 2016 so how can program commitments be made for then in the first place?
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Yes we can. The Tories will not be allowed to dismantle the BBC. Some things would push the public too far. That's one. As Jason says - are the BBC supposed to just not have any developments for post-2016? That would be suicidal. An extension to the licence fee freeze and the loss of BBC4 and some radio stations are a much more likely result of the Tory War on the Beeb. It's really smoke and mirrors to disguise the damage, the critical damage, they're doing to other public services like welfare and healthcare. BBC One is going nowhere, Doctor Who is going nowhere. |
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Post by mark687 on Nov 7, 2015 17:26:25 GMT
But with all the mucking about with the Charter no one can be Absolutely sure of the remit/format of the BBC post December 2016 so how can program commitments be made for then in the first place?
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Yes we can. The Tories will not be allowed to dismantle the BBC. Some things would push the public too far. That's one. As Jason says - are the BBC supposed to just not have any developments for post-2016? That would be suicidal. An extension to the licence fee freeze and the loss of BBC4 and some radio stations are a much more likely result of the Tory War on the Beeb. It's really smoke and mirrors to disguise the damage, the critical damage, they're doing to other public services like welfare and healthcare. BBC One is going nowhere, Doctor Who is going nowhere. I'm Paraphrasing here but a couple of Gov soundbites
"No need for a BBC on-line News service"
"Commercial TV is the proper platform for original Drama"
and of course that scathing open letter from ITV.
You both right and common sense should prevail but all this aggressive posturing I feel a significant comprise in remit and or content is more likely then not.
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Post by Timelord007 on Nov 8, 2015 9:43:54 GMT
Simply put Doctor Who on around 6:30pm on Sunday's before the Strictly results show, there's no rule the show has to been shown on Saturday nights.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 8, 2015 16:53:41 GMT
As Doctor Who is one of the BBC's flagship shows there should be some support programming around it.
With Game of Thrones last year SKY put on an hours "fan show" after each episode with guests and chat about what had just happened and what might happen next. And the BBC already have programmes like "An Extra Slice" to support "The Great British Bake Off" plus "It Takes Two" for "Strictly Come Dancing", so why not something similar for Doctor Who?
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 8, 2015 18:37:28 GMT
Seriously
I really don't think there will be any tv who in 2016 until Xmas.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 8, 2015 20:34:41 GMT
Seriously I really don't think there will be any tv who in 2016 until Xmas. Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine on a wet and miserable Sunday night!  What is it that makes you think that? |
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