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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 22:16:55 GMT
Doctor Ogron boxset please.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 25, 2018 11:56:07 GMT
I have finished the stories and have just voted on this poll...I think I have probably bought the ratings average down, because average is very much how I feel about this set of stories.
Plus I am disappointed that there were no alternative covers for the individual discs. However I have got to say that the new logo and layout are vast improvements. I just wish they had adopted it at the beginning of these Paul McGann boxsets.
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Post by Ela on Jul 26, 2018 19:53:37 GMT
Finished this set this afternoon and loved loved loved it.
Doctor Ogron was the best. We definitely need more of him.
And the Twelve was brilliant! Hope we have more of her, too.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 27, 2018 22:10:33 GMT
As I recall I wasn't entirely thrilled with volume 1 but felt like volume 2 was a great leap forward. Each story had a different flavor and yes, Planet of the Ogrons[/i] gave us a taste of 8's more lighthearted days that was much appreciated but Jonah? A submarine story with Daleks? Yes and thank you.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 28, 2018 5:14:17 GMT
Awesome review, bang on the money.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 28, 2018 8:20:14 GMT
Now I’m wondering what the Thirteen would be like. If the Twelve is able to control the voices to a degree, perhaps the Thirteen would be able to do so fully?
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Post by kinghumble on Jul 28, 2018 20:56:26 GMT
Now I’m wondering what the Thirteen would be like. If the Twelve is able to control the voices to a degree, perhaps the Thirteen would be able to do so fully? I kind of think the 13 would need to go in an opposite direction, just creatively speaking
Maybe they could do a sort-of Alzheimer's analogy? The 13 constantly loses focus, fails to understand their surroundings, gets lost in the memories and experiences of past incarnations... A tragic villain?
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Post by kinghumble on Jul 28, 2018 20:59:26 GMT
Also, am I the only one who wants to see the Seventh Doctor's story vs the 11?
Or other, earlier Doctors vs earlier incarnations of the time-lord-not-yet-known-as-11?
I'd be willing the bet the 2 would have had a fairly traumatic experience the first few weeks of his/her regeneration, trying to adjust to that personality disorder conflict without any idea what was happening; my dream-story would have Frazier Hines as the 2nd Doctor trying and failing to help the 2 to acclimatize
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 29, 2018 16:29:35 GMT
Also, am I the only one who wants to see the Seventh Doctor's story vs the 11? Or other, earlier Doctors vs earlier incarnations of the time-lord-not-yet-known-as-11? I'd be willing the bet the 2 would have had a fairly traumatic experience the first few weeks of his/her regeneration, trying to adjust to that personality disorder conflict without any idea what was happening; my dream-story would have Frazier Hines as the 2nd Doctor trying and failing to help the 2 to acclimatize YANA I am surprised that we haven’t already had a Seventh Doctor and the Eleven boxset yet. Plus I am really look forward to hearing an earlier incarnation where they have fewer personalities in their head. Something like (say) the Four where the incumbent has no control over his previous selfs, so any version could turn up at any time. Not so much a Swiss army knife more Russian Roulette.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 29, 2018 22:28:10 GMT
Now I’m wondering what the Thirteen would be like. If the Twelve is able to control the voices to a degree, perhaps the Thirteen would be able to do so fully? I kind of think the 13 would need to go in an opposite direction, just creatively speaking
Maybe they could do a sort-of Alzheimer's analogy? The 13 constantly loses focus, fails to understand their surroundings, gets lost in the memories and experiences of past incarnations... A tragic villain?
Ohh I like that.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Aug 10, 2018 9:40:27 GMT
My take on Time War 2 is now up at CultBox - in short, another cracking release and nice to hear a couple of different writer's takes... plus I loved the Twelve and Doctor Ogron!
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Post by Digi on Aug 10, 2018 16:53:44 GMT
I enjoyed this set, but not quite as much as I was expecting. The outliers, for me, were Garden and Jonah.
I thought Garden was....well, to call it a tired trope would be being kind. Every sci-fi show, for whatever reason, feels the need to do a show where all the main characters are in a prison or a factory and they don’t know who they are. To me it’s not interesting, it’s definitey not original, and it’s exhausting to sit through iteration #2847 of the same thing. It wasn’t a total wash though, as I liked how Adams used that to advance the Twelve and her inhibitor implant—I thought that was a clever idea and well-executed.
And Jonah, wow. What a triumph of brooding, claustrophobic storytelling and sound design. Doctor Who does Das Boot. An absolute treat of a way to end this set.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 10, 2018 22:03:54 GMT
I forgot to post my thoughts on Planet of the Ogrons last night; too gripped with the football! Really loved the story. Paul and Rakhee are on good form, Julia McKenzie and Jon Culshaw are both wonderful. Nick Briggs is great as The Overseer Dalek too. The throwbacks to past stories used an interesting slant and didn’t feel there for the sake of it. Love how the story balances between light and dark, with a few chuckles but also some grim stuff. The latter of which makes me think we’re due a Dalek Empire: Time War surely? I want the follow-up to DE3 first.
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Post by Digi on Aug 10, 2018 23:05:08 GMT
I forgot to post my thoughts on Planet of the Ogrons last night; too gripped with the football! Really loved the story. Paul and Rakhee are on good form, Julia McKenzie and Jon Culshaw are both wonderful. Nick Briggs is great as The Overseer Dalek too. The throwbacks to past stories used an interesting slant and didn’t feel there for the sake of it. Love how the story balances between light and dark, with a few chuckles but also some grim stuff. The latter of which makes me think we’re due a Dalek Empire: Time War surely? I want the follow-up to DE3 first. It took me a second to realize you meant “Dalek Empire” rather than “Dark Eyes” (confusion!) but now that I’ve worked that out - I’m completely on board with that. I’d love a Dalek Empire: Time War set, but I desperately want an actual conclusion to the original Dalek Empire series first. Unfortunately I just don’t think that’s in the cards - Dalek Empire 5 (assuming it happens) will most likely be a Time War set.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 11, 2018 2:25:18 GMT
Ok, I finished it. General comment: I see people saying they don't really want 8 to go dark, etc.
This is the Time War. It is bitter and something pushes him to the point where he, eight, answers "a warrior." (And, hey, he has the war intro). I'd say if ever the time is for bitter, here it is. Make it every bit as bad as 10 said.
"You weren't there in the final days of the war. You never saw what was born. But if the time lock's broken then everything is coming through not just the Daleks, but the Skaro Degredations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been King with his army of meanwhiles and never-weres, the war turning to hell. And that's what you've opened, right above the Earth. Hell is descending!"
I'd say roughly the same thing about 'high-concept': baffle me.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 11, 2018 2:33:07 GMT
I enjoyed this set, but not quite as much as I was expecting. The outliers, for me, were Garden and Jonah. I thought Garden was....well, to call it a tired trope would be being kind. Every sci-fi show, for whatever reason, feels the need to do a show where all the main characters are in a prison or a factory and they don’t know who they are. To me it’s not interesting, it’s definitey not original, and it’s exhausting to sit through iteration #2847 of the same thing. It wasn’t a total wash though, as I liked how Adams used that to advance the Twelve and her inhibitor implant—I thought that was a clever idea and well-executed. And Jonah, wow. What a triumph of brooding, claustrophobic storytelling and sound design. Doctor Who does Das Boot. An absolute treat of a way to end this set. I'd part company with you and say the way Morris framed the device was rather interesting and the way the cast executed it was spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 5:16:38 GMT
Ok, I finished it. General comment: I see people saying they don't really want 8 to go dark, etc. This is the Time War. It is bitter and something pushes him to the point where he, eight, answers "a warrior." (And, hey, he has the war intro). I'd say if ever the time is for bitter, here it is. Make it every bit as bad as 10 said. "You weren't there in the final days of the war. You never saw what was born. But if the time lock's broken then everything is coming through not just the Daleks, but the Skaro Degredations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been King with his army of meanwhiles and never-weres, the war turning to hell. And that's what you've opened, right above the Earth. Hell is descending!"
I'd say roughly the same thing about 'high-concept': baffle me. I have to admit, I haven't really looked at the Eighth Doctor beyond Dark Eyes for this same reason. Part of his appeal is that character development, he has a very well-defined character arc that leads (in one form or another) into the Time War. At the end, too light a tone just doesn't feel appropriate. We should be in the second half of Lawrence of Arabia now, after his ordeal with the Turkish Bey in Teraa, where the shock of the event has fundamentally changed him. And if you want to see how a lightsome, fun and cheerful character like Eight could be shattered, I'd look at that film. Lawrence and Eight are startlingly similar when it starts and where Lawrence goes by its end, feels very natural for Eight to echo. We were on that road from as far back as 2007 (maybe earlier if you count the books), all the way up To the Death, but now... Well, we seem to be going in a different direction. Which is fine, people look to be having a lot of fun with it, but I don't think it's for me personally. Although, I think I'm still on the fence. What do you reckon, would you recommend the set?
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Post by mrperson on Aug 11, 2018 18:03:38 GMT
Ok, I finished it. General comment: I see people saying they don't really want 8 to go dark, etc. This is the Time War. It is bitter and something pushes him to the point where he, eight, answers "a warrior." (And, hey, he has the war intro). I'd say if ever the time is for bitter, here it is. Make it every bit as bad as 10 said. "You weren't there in the final days of the war. You never saw what was born. But if the time lock's broken then everything is coming through not just the Daleks, but the Skaro Degredations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been King with his army of meanwhiles and never-weres, the war turning to hell. And that's what you've opened, right above the Earth. Hell is descending!"
I'd say roughly the same thing about 'high-concept': baffle me. I have to admit, I haven't really looked at the Eighth Doctor beyond Dark Eyes for this same reason. Part of his appeal is that character development, he has a very well-defined character arc that leads (in one form or another) into the Time War. At the end, too light a tone just doesn't feel appropriate. We should be in the second half of Lawrence of Arabia now, after his ordeal with the Turkish Bey in Teraa, where the shock of the event has fundamentally changed him. And if you want to see how a lightsome, fun and cheerful character like Eight could be shattered, I'd look at that film. Lawrence and Eight are startlingly similar when it starts and where Lawrence goes by its end, feels very natural for Eight to echo. We were on that road from as far back as 2007 (maybe earlier if you count the books), all the way up To the Death, but now... Well, we seem to be going in a different direction. Which is fine, people look to be having a lot of fun with it, but I don't think it's for me personally. Although, I think I'm still on the fence. What do you reckon, would you recommend the set?
I've enjoyed all the McGann releases, so I'd definitely recommend them. I just want the Time War to be more confusing and bitter. I suppose there's simply a large resistance to making Who relentlessly bitter.
But then...it's the Time War. If they're going to tackle, it they should dive deeper.
We know that in the end, Eight chooses to become a warrior and War commits double-genocide. Something has to drive him there and I certainly didn't see anything that bad in the War Doctor series. They were good stories, but to me they largely felt like Doctor Who but with the Timelords regularly misbehaving too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 22:52:32 GMT
I have to admit, I haven't really looked at the Eighth Doctor beyond Dark Eyes for this same reason. Part of his appeal is that character development, he has a very well-defined character arc that leads (in one form or another) into the Time War. At the end, too light a tone just doesn't feel appropriate. We should be in the second half of Lawrence of Arabia now, after his ordeal with the Turkish Bey in Teraa, where the shock of the event has fundamentally changed him. And if you want to see how a lightsome, fun and cheerful character like Eight could be shattered, I'd look at that film. Lawrence and Eight are startlingly similar when it starts and where Lawrence goes by its end, feels very natural for Eight to echo. We were on that road from as far back as 2007 (maybe earlier if you count the books), all the way up To the Death, but now... Well, we seem to be going in a different direction. Which is fine, people look to be having a lot of fun with it, but I don't think it's for me personally. Although, I think I'm still on the fence. What do you reckon, would you recommend the set?
I've enjoyed all the McGann releases, so I'd definitely recommend them. I just want the Time War to be more confusing and bitter. I suppose there's simply a large resistance to making Who relentlessly bitter.
But then...it's the Time War. If they're going to tackle, it they should dive deeper.
We know that in the end, Eight chooses to become a warrior and War commits double-genocide. Something has to drive him there and I certainly didn't see anything that bad in the War Doctor series. They were good stories, but to me they largely felt like Doctor Who but with the Timelords regularly misbehaving too. I think it comes in waves and arcs. At the moment, it's not in the current mood of the show to follow stories like Creatures of Beauty, The Peterloo Massacre or Damaged Goods*. The ethos will change as inevitably all things do, but whether that's sooner or later will depend ultimately on what happens TV-wise. Relentlessly grim can work, The Daleks Master Plan is testament to that (and the kids love it, we did), but right now may not be seen as the right time for it (which is fair enough). That said, Who tends to do bittersweet really well regardless of the era. Stories like The Wormery or The Aztecs are very good at viewing some deeply personal tragedies through an optimistic lens. Ahh... Yeah, the War Doctor's a separate problem for me. Mainly that we have incarnations far more dark, devious, dangerous and deadly than War is portrayed to be. You have a problem when your shunned persona is being outdone not by someone like the Valeyard, but by the Second Doctor (his calculated attempt at genocide in Evil still remains frighteningly ruthless). If it stays as it has, I can definitely see the reason why War was shunned transforming from the terrible things he did to what he ultimately didn't do. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing, and so forth. I can believe he stood by and watched as atrocities happened, but his actions so far don't make me think him capable of something that would shun him from memory. Not if other incarnations get out unscathed (Seven's life seems ripe for the same kind of treatment, but he gets out unscathed). * - as an aside, apparently the 90s are coming back into vogue, so maybe the Novel Adaptations were just a couple years early?
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 18, 2018 12:55:10 GMT
Listened to this last week. Very enjoyable.
Did anyone else think the admiral was going to be revealed as Davros? Definitely sounded like him. I thought Nick had cast himself as the War Davros but it turned out not to be the case.
My only gripe is that we have the Time War narrative proceeding along 2 parallel tracks - Gallifrey/War Master on one hand and 8th Dr on the other. Are the 2 never going to cross?
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