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Post by Digi on Aug 14, 2018 15:38:23 GMT
I get up early - around 5:30-6 (depending on how quickly I roll my sleepy ass out of bed), and don’t start work till 9. Tons of time to listen before my day gets started  I like a dark evening, don't know why as I close my eyes anyway, but it seems to add to the listening atmosphere. Listening to audios in the morning sounds strange to me! Rationally I understand that, but my body refuses to cooperate. If I'm laying down listening to an audio, it doesn't matter how good or engaging it is, I fall asleep 
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 15:44:40 GMT
I would like to listen to the monthly range stories one episode a week, preferably Saturday night. Do you know how many times I have achieved this? Never. Not in 241 releases (or at least the two hundred-odd I own). I have no self discipline whatsoever.
The appeal of Sylvester's Doctor is uniquely influenced by his companions, for me. I love the stories with his television companions (and Hex, at least at the beginning), but for some reason I find it difficult to enjoy the stories featuring his non-television companions (should we say 'friends' these days? No thank you). I'm not sure why this is.
Anyway all of this is off-topic because I haven't heard this - but I'm going to as soon as possible. In fact, from reading the words here, I'm very excited for it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 16:12:29 GMT
I would like to listen to the monthly range stories one episode a week, preferably Saturday night. Do you know how many times I have achieved this? Never. Not in 241 releases (or at least the two hundred-odd I own). I have no self discipline whatsoever.
The appeal of Sylvester's Doctor is uniquely influenced by his companions, for me. I love the stories with his television companions (and Hex, at least at the beginning), but for some reason I find it difficult to enjoy the stories featuring his non-television companions (should we say 'friends' these days? No thank you). I'm not sure why this is.
Anyway all of this is off-topic because I haven't heard this - but I'm going to as soon as possible. In fact, from reading the words here, I'm very excited for it!
As in all things personal preference varies my listening varies on strength of the writing .Good set ups initially that get me hooked.Strange with Sylvester I love his solo adventures Kingdom,House Blue Fire ,Valhalla,Robo and they get quite a few repeat listens.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 15, 2018 9:28:05 GMT
I always listen to Big Finish at night in the dark for extra atmosphere, the sounds seem to heighten ones senses.
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Post by omega on Aug 15, 2018 9:59:21 GMT
Possibly the best handling of this TARDIS team thus far, the only negative on that front is that until the last five minutes Ace only interacts with one other named character for the majority in her sub-plot, which turns out to be the most important part of the story! If we get more of this kind of thing, this trilogy will be the reintegration this TARDIS team needs. I've subbed to this trilogy and beyond, so I'll find out in the next few months. It's a high concept story that is memorable enough, but lacks that certain something to be a classic. All the ingredients are there, and interesting plot, decent enough guest characters and very atmospheric. Some of the touches are wonderful, like Mel's memories of the alternate timeline. The Eighth Doctor novel Reckless Engineering did something similar with companions Fitz and Anji being assimilated into the alternate world. The reset button effect is very subtle, and doesn't come off as a quick fix for the plot. I love the idea that it took the interference of the TARDIS crew to keep established history on track, and a previous audio has used this concept as well. Wonderfully script edited by guyadams, written by Una McCormack and directed by Jamie Anderson. It's nothing short of amazing to hear stories this interesting and fresh out of a range that's just turned 19 year old and released over 240 stories.
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Post by theotherjosh on Aug 16, 2018 15:01:22 GMT
I agree with omega . Best outing for this team so far! Sometimes the weaker entries in the Ace and Mel stories reminded me of the early Fifth Doctor scripts that had been written before the authors knew that Nyssa would be a part of the story and which had to be hastily adapted to include her. Mel too often seemed a tad superfluous, but that was absolutely not the case here. Bonnie even gets to sing! The best televised Seventh Doctor stories are the ones where Ace and the Doctor split up and they each have their own parallel adventures. I think that’s part of the reason why this story works as well as it does. Ace in one storyline and Mel and the Doctor works extremely well and was a very shrewd move on the part of McCormack. Writing Ace is a lot like making pizza, I think. Hard to get perfect, and even when it’s bad, it’s still pretty good, but at its best, it’s sublime, and Sophie is absolutely at the height of her game here. It reminded me of Requiem in Hell done right. Kudos for use of a word we’re hearing a lot in the news lately: 'Kompromat'. I assume that’s coincidence, as the 2017 setting leads me to believe that’s when the story was probably written, but it’s an interesting one. Recent stories have been a bit slow to get underway (there were a few that felt like they didn’t properly start until the episode 1 cliffhanger), but Red Planets begins with a bang and never lets up! The cover art was gorgeous, the direction was top notch, the leads were excellent, and the supporting cast were great. I especially enjoyed the exchange with Mel at the end, which promises interesting times ahead. I’m also a bit of a sucker for Russian accents, so I enjoyed those too. This had everything I want out of a Doctor Who story!
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Post by omega on Aug 17, 2018 8:46:15 GMT
There's also the last minute, where it looks like Mel's past is catching up with her. Glitz still causing trouble for her?
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Post by elkawho on Aug 17, 2018 21:15:32 GMT
This is one of those stories that gets in your head and doesn't want to leave. I love when that happens. I'll be listening to this one again soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 14:00:53 GMT
To begin with I was resigned to writing this off as being somewhat dull and talky - some feat for one of the most energetic TARDIS crews. But I'm glad I stuck with it. It is talky, it is a slow-burner - but there's every reason to keep listening, because the style of story-telling is compelling. It is restrained in its execution and in the way it is conveyed, and there's nothing wrong with that. In the latter half of the story, the characters we have come to know face some ever increasing 'timey-wimey' jeopardy and the tension increases. But this is, I think, an atmospheric character-lead piece (the various musical flourishes - choral, nu-series and Mel moments - add to this hugely). The regulars are especially well-served in this and put in some terrific performances. By its very nature, this is a very solid rather than spectacular entry into the monthly range - things don't become quite as exciting as you'd like them to. But it's a very worthwhile addition to Seven/Mel/Dorothy's adventures. Thoughtful. Contemplative. Something tells me this three-way partnership is coming to an end, and I really hope I'm wrong, because when they're this well written, they provide a 'winning combination' ... and the ending is great!
In the extras, Sylvester's reminiscence about his way of acting is exactly why I love his Doctor!
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 19, 2018 7:33:09 GMT
Excellent intriguing audio drama, might require a couple listens get all the plot points but this a cleverly conceived slow burner which maintained my interest as Big Finish deliver another fantastic audio drama.
I'd rate it 4/5.
From a monthly range which a couple years ago was looking tired this range now is back to full throttle.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 19, 2018 14:04:53 GMT
Yeah I think I need to listen to that again. I liked it a lot but it was a little timey-wimey even for me.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 22, 2018 19:26:40 GMT
Hhhmmmrm. A comment or two Context: discussion after conclusion amongst TARDIS team on whether or not the guy would have made it over the wall. Ace notes she convinced the guy (how did I forget the name? Tom maybe?) not to try to make it over the wall. She thought he wouldn't have made it, recall. Either Ace or Mel wonders if the team was the cause of the alternate timeline in light of her intervention. However, the Doctor notes Ace's earlier comment that she thought Tom was about to be shot and that's why she intervened. He remarks that that may have been the fix that preserved the original timeline. BUT..... ...but consider that for a moment. Might that not mean that in fact, what the Doctor considered "original timeline" was not the original timeline at all - it was an alternate timeline he created and protected in this very episode. He wouldn't have known it until then, in his earlier carnations. Three had no idea about future companion Ace in 11/1961, after all. But this "original timeline" would not have existed but for early-middle 7th Doc depositing Ace in 11/1961 in time to interfere. Further back, if Fenric hadn't moved Ace to Svartos in time for early-7th to arrive and pick her up (Dragonfire). See also Gods and Monsters Fenric's monologue, where he explains that everything going back to early-7th meeting Ace there - or farther, my memory isn't quite clear enough, but I thought the whole Sixie/Forge/Cass thing was the earliest point he referenced - was all part of his game with Waylan/Volune. In short: if the Doctor's remarks are right in this episode, what he considers the "original timeline" is an alternate timeline invented between him and Fenric, ensured here. Consider...
However, there seems to me to be a clear indication that more will follow from this story (or show what happened previously), in light of whatever that voice calling to Mel was at the end. Perhaps the Doctor is right and we don't know it for sure until we see who the "they" behind that voice is, since potentially that "they" did alter things such that Ace really did fix something in saving Tom rather than creating an alternate timeline (considered "original timeline") by doing so.
ie, maybe this "they" did things that caused extra guards to appear there to stop Tom when in the true original, he made it because those guards weren't there at that moment.
(In light of above comments, it might have been more mundane, in which case ignore this concluding set of sentences. I've already forgotten what exactly what it was that was said to Mel)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:46:24 GMT
For those thinking they might give this another listen to tie-up various things, I'd strongly recommend doing so. I enjoyed this the first time round, but took a while to get to grips with the way the story was told. Now fully aware of the form it will take, I am listening to Red Planets once again and enjoying it very much indeed. I'd go as far as to say it demands a second listen!
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Post by nottenst on Aug 24, 2018 14:20:38 GMT
Just finished listening to it. I thought it was quite good and I hope by the end of this mini-series of episodes we find out why the timeline was disrupted in the first place. The whole mist thing seems pretty weird as that would seem to imply something further back in the timeline disrupting things. Anyway, another strong entry and I am looking forward to the next.
One exciting thing was 3 cliffhangers at the end of part 3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 13:54:54 GMT
I think this has just pipped the excellent Serpent in the Silver Mask as my favourite monthly range release of the year.
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Post by slithe on Sept 2, 2018 14:17:50 GMT
The Monthly Range has been on top form since September 2017: an excellent 6th/Flip/Constance Trilogy, a fantastic 5th/Nyssa/Tegan/Adric trilogy and 3 excellent (pardon the pun) stories with Baker again. In short, a very good strike rate and a massive improvement in quality (with only the Mathew Sharpe story being a bit below par). So, it comes to McCoy's trilogy and I am suddenly feeling a bit queasy. Why? I think the 7th Doctor is just as good as the others and McCoy is a good actor - why did I anticipate his Doctor's return with mixed feelings? Well, if I'm honest, with the exception of probably 'We are the Daleks' and 'The Two Masters', most of the McCoy releases for several sets have been below par.
It was interesting, that before Red Planets was released, I was listening through the first Kline Trilogy. Wow! These three stories were HOW the 7th Doctor should have his adventures. Political, well written and allowing the character to show his manipulative side. Thankfully, Red Planets goes for this approach and it is probably the strongest 7th Doctor story in years. Certainly, the story is strong and well constructed - something which really helps here. The decision to divide the narrative into three parts: Ace in Berlin, the Doctor/Mel in London and the Phobos Mission on Mars is clever and keeps the listener engaged in the story. As ever, Doctor Who works best when the key characters are split up and here that allows the characters to play to their strengths. Ace 'works' in Berlin and is actually given a 'mission' to do (something that nods to the NA approach), whilst perhaps the use of 'mate' could be toned down, she is less of cliche here than in the past. Langford is miles better here than in her previous outings - Mel seems convinced that the alternate future is correct and spars well with McCoy in the first episode. Her subsequent concern for the Doctor after his capture is well developed as is the playfulness that she perhaps could assume the identity of 'a Doctor' for a change.
The Doctor is well developed here. McCoy's incarnation always works well in political situations and it is a good idea to script his adventures with this approach. McCoy gets to but heads with KGB/Security services and does this well. McCoy is also more believable here as the 'Dark' Doctor - his willingness to sacrifice people at the end of the story and the casual disregard for life, so long as there is a 'right' result allows us to see an angle to the character that is hinted at, but seldom explored very often. Whilst we get the feeling that the Doctor is a good man, his ethics and methods are not always so straightforward. He plays people off against each other and takes the mantle of 'Time's Champion' well here. Although McCoy often gets 'angry' in his audio adventures - here the listener is under no illusions that the Doctor is genuinely cross - it is effective rather than just show-offy/poor acting for McCoy. McCoy seems to have put a lot of thought into this one and it clearly shows - I also, perhaps wrongly, suspect that he is able to add some of his own political views into the performance (the hint about always turning left, 2017 being slightly better than the alternative future are just a few).
This is 'grown up' Doctor Who and the listener is spoiled here. Complexly plotted (this will repay several listens) with lots of red herrings - the title being the most obvious, the hint about who reveals the identity of the Doctor to the authorities in the alternative Britain (the Brig? Counter Measures?), whether the Doctor/Ace really saved the timeline or started it all and who is manipulating the timeline in the first place. There's plenty to keep this trilogy going - especially with the 'debt' Mel owes at the end and whether she really has 'forgotten' everyone (is she as innocent as she seems!)
Finally, the musical score is superb here. The choral pieces are a particular highlight and fit the mood well for this. The content is also very topical at the moment with the renewed interest in the left and extremism.
A great start to a new McCoy trilogy and, lets hope, this continues in the next release! Superb!
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 2, 2018 14:44:30 GMT
The Monthly Range has been on top form since September 2017: an excellent 6th/Flip/Constance Trilogy, a fantastic 5th/Nyssa/Tegan/Adric trilogy and 3 excellent (pardon the pun) stories with Baker again. In short, a very good strike rate and a massive improvement in quality (with only the Mathew Sharpe story being a bit below par). So, it comes to McCoy's trilogy and I am suddenly feeling a bit queasy. Why? I think the 7th Doctor is just as good as the others and McCoy is a good actor - why did I anticipate his Doctor's return with mixed feelings? Well, if I'm honest, with the exception of probably 'We are the Daleks' and 'The Two Masters', most of the McCoy releases for several sets have been below par. It was interesting, that before Red Planets was released, I was listening through the first Kline Trilogy. Wow! These three stories were HOW the 7th Doctor should have his adventures. Political, well written and allowing the character to show his manipulative side. Thankfully, Red Planets goes for this approach and it is probably the strongest 7th Doctor story in years. Certainly, the story is strong and well constructed - something which really helps here. The decision to divide the narrative into three parts: Ace in Berlin, the Doctor/Mel in London and the Phobos Mission on Mars is clever and keeps the listener engaged in the story. As ever, Doctor Who works best when the key characters are split up and here that allows the characters to play to their strengths. Ace 'works' in Berlin and is actually given a 'mission' to do (something that nods to the NA approach), whilst perhaps the use of 'mate' could be toned down, she is less of cliche here than in the past. Langford is miles better here than in her previous outings - Mel seems convinced that the alternate future is correct and spars well with McCoy in the first episode. Her subsequent concern for the Doctor after his capture is well developed as is the playfulness that she perhaps could assume the identity of 'a Doctor' for a change. The Doctor is well developed here. McCoy's incarnation always works well in political situations and it is a good idea to script his adventures with this approach. McCoy gets to but heads with KGB/Security services and does this well. McCoy is also more believable here as the 'Dark' Doctor - his willingness to sacrifice people at the end of the story and the casual disregard for life, so long as there is a 'right' result allows us to see an angle to the character that is hinted at, but seldom explored very often. Whilst we get the feeling that the Doctor is a good man, his ethics and methods are not always so straightforward. He plays people off against each other and takes the mantle of 'Time's Champion' well here. Although McCoy often gets 'angry' in his audio adventures - here the listener is under no illusions that the Doctor is genuinely cross - it is effective rather than just show-offy/poor acting for McCoy. McCoy seems to have put a lot of thought into this one and it clearly shows - I also, perhaps wrongly, suspect that he is able to add some of his own political views into the performance (the hint about always turning left, 2017 being slightly better than the alternative future are just a few). This is 'grown up' Doctor Who and the listener is spoiled here. Complexly plotted (this will repay several listens) with lots of red herrings - the title being the most obvious, the hint about who reveals the identity of the Doctor to the authorities in the alternative Britain (the Brig? Counter Measures?), whether the Doctor/Ace really saved the timeline or started it all and who is manipulating the timeline in the first place. There's plenty to keep this trilogy going - especially with the 'debt' Mel owes at the end and whether she really has 'forgotten' everyone (is she as innocent as she seems!) Finally, the musical score is superb here. The choral pieces are a particular highlight and fit the mood well for this. The content is also very topical at the moment with the renewed interest in the left and extremism. A great start to a new McCoy trilogy and, lets hope, this continues in the next release! Superb! Wow, what a great review! I was not very interested in this release since I am not the biggest fan of McCoy (especially in "comedy" episodes), but this sounds really good. I really like it when Doctor Who is a bit darker and "grown up" and when there is a bit more depth to it than the usual monster/ gimmick of the week. And this sounds as if it really challenges you to think. Might just get it, who knows, maybe I get to like McCoys Doctor a bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 14:47:50 GMT
I have always loved McCoys Doctor back in time when he got mysterious and manipulative in the tv show and was actually cruel mentally really to ACE thats when my interest in the show resparked...and then they cancelled it
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 2, 2018 15:15:32 GMT
I have always loved McCoys Doctor back in time when he got mysterious and manipulative in the tv show and was actually cruel mentally really to ACE thats when my interest in the show resparked...and then they cancelled it Since I just started getting into the Classic Series, I have not seen all of McCoys TV episodes yet (I think I heard more of his Big Finish). But I just do not seem to get into his Doctor. The first TV episode of his that I watched was "Curse of Fenric" because someone told me that this was his best episode and a must watch. I deliberately watched the directors cut since I was told beforehand that the original screening was a bit confusing. But, I am afraid to say, I did not like it at all. I was still a bit confused watching it and the mental cruelty of the Doctor which you mention really put me off. This was also the time I was reading the novel "Love and War" (because it introduces Benny) and I also did not like it (one of the reasons I did not get the Big Finish adaptation). The 7th Doctor really has it in for Ace, doesn't he? And he really appears to lack the compassion that make the other Doctors great. Maybe I just do not like that side of the Doctor? On the other hand, there is a polar opposite of the Big Finish New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield, where the 7th Doctor has a complete comedy outing on the first disc which I found equally dreadful. So maybe I just do not like McCoy? But, as a saving grace, I really liked the TV episode "Survival", that was absolutely amazing. "If we fight like animals, we die like animals!" Awesome.
So, yeah, I am pretty much sitting on the fence here.
But I am always willing to give him another chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 15:23:51 GMT
I have always loved McCoys Doctor back in time when he got mysterious and manipulative in the tv show and was actually cruel mentally really to ACE thats when my interest in the show resparked...and then they cancelled it Since I just started getting into the Classic Series, I have not seen all of McCoys TV episodes yet (I think I heard more of his Big Finish). But I just do not seem to get into his Doctor. The first TV episode of his that I watched was "Curse of Fenric" because someone told me that this was his best episode and a must watch. I deliberately watched the directors cut since I was told beforehand that the original screening was a bit confusing. But, I am afraid to say, I did not like it at all. I was still a bit confused watching it and the mental cruelty of the Doctor which you mention really put me off. This was also the time I was reading the novel "Love and War" (because it introduces Benny) and I also did not like it (one of the reasons I did not get the Big Finish adaptation). The 7th Doctor really has it in for Ace, doesn't he? And he really appears to lack the compassion that make the other Doctors great. Maybe I just do not like that side of the Doctor? On the other hand, there is a polar opposite of the Big Finish New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield, where the 7th Doctor has a complete comedy outing on the first disc which I found equally dreadful. So maybe I just do not like McCoy? But, as a saving grace, I really liked the TV episode "Survival", that was absolutely amazing. "If we fight like animals, we die like animals!" Awesome.
So, yeah, I am pretty much sitting on the fence here.
But I am always willing to give him another chance.
I think its script driven for McCoy this wee man with this weird personality is capable of the darker elements of the power a Time Lord Wields.He appears to manipulate Ace yes and initially it seems cruel but it brings her to a stronger place.I remember as Ghost Light aired and then Fenric people began discussing WHO again when that aspect had been missing remember this is long before internet lol side of fandom.I think they have to like they did with Tom Baker reign in his weirder comedy side .I find Tom Baker best in his dramatic persona not the comedic part.I think he is now getting that side back with BF.I never forget with Sylv that this is how he talks and this is how he is and probably when he gets angry in real life this is what he is like,we are just used to actors being rage rage. But when you followed these episodes as they began airing you started to really question who the Doctor really was?What he really was capable of.For me it worked
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