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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 9:11:19 GMT
How would you fix the TV movie?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 14, 2018 9:25:41 GMT
No appearance by the seventh Doctor, no regeneration. The Eighth Doctor arrives, fully formed, ready to be introduced to a new audience.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Apr 14, 2018 9:34:57 GMT
How would you fix the TV movie? How would you fix the TV movie?
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 14, 2018 10:08:20 GMT
Change the prologue so that it isn't quite as baffling to a new audience or infuriating to fans: maybe have 7 sitting in a small cafe drinking some tea with the Master's urn also on the table, chatting to the waiter/ress about how he's taking the ashes of an old friend back home, then have him walk back to the TARDIS and get shot on the way. The urn falls, smashes and the ashes mixes with some of the Doctor's blood and we get Bruce "infected" by accidentally touching it: the reveal that it's the Master should be more of a surprise for the viewer, I feel. I'd lose the comedy hospital workers and the "half-human" line. I'd change the ending so that it doesn't involve a reset button: maybe have the Master's regenerative energy bounce back into Grace and Chang's bodies and revive them instead rather than what we got. I don't mind the rest of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 11:20:49 GMT
Fix? The TVM is okay as it is. Yes, even the wig and fancy dress costume! It was good TV entertainment for a bank holiday Monday. I'd probably take out the Master facing trial on Skaro bit and stupid Dalek voices, but I liked the rest of it.
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Post by glutamodo on Apr 14, 2018 13:44:56 GMT
Hmm, maybe a magnetic videotape erasing device?
Nahh, there's really only a very few words I could have lived without in it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 17:18:14 GMT
I didn't realise it was broken!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 17:52:02 GMT
Other than making the actual finale a little clearer ('think alarm clock!'), I wouldn't presume to 'fix' the TV Movie at all. The cast are great, McGann is instantly 'the Doctor' and Grace is a great companion for him. I really enjoyed it. The only reason I feel sad watching it is because it never lead to a series (well, not for ten years).
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Post by mrperson on Apr 14, 2018 20:43:39 GMT
Chuck the idea about the Daleks putting the Master on trial, executing him, and him surviving as some kind of kind of translucent sludge. In fact, completely change the performance of the master. Perhaps more like BF tends to handle him. In the movie, he wasn't the same panto villain from the original series, but he felt like a stereotypical bad guy.
Chuck the half-human bit.
Overall, it didn't really feel like a Who story to me. More like a somewhat Hollywood-ified interpretation.
Edit: Right, the romance (see below). I wanted to make that comment but wasn't sure I recalled much more than that kiss ...or whatever. But that also gets to "Hollywood-ified", as I said above. Seems like just about every movie today has to check off a few boxes. A fight, some romance, etc. At least they didn't include sex in the Who movie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 20:54:19 GMT
No romance between The Doctor and Grace and have it be strictly platonic. Hold back on Grace's backstory and have their dynamic be more modern day Doctor/Sarah Jane and focus on the sadness in Grace's life, rather then how she can't keep a man because she has to do her job and trauma (BRIAN WAS NOT A LOSS). As Asian fans have often pointed, give Chang Lee a name other then Chang Lee!
No Master, no Time Lord reveal, nothing. For budget sake, have the monsters-of-the-week eventually be revealed to be a scouting party for an alien invasion. A journey into the inexplicable and the unknown. No 'Doomsday clock' or easy time reset. No Hollywood TARDIS.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 15, 2018 0:16:25 GMT
Now there we disagree. I loved that console room! I'd use that for Mondays and Tuesdays, something grander for Wed-Fri, and Sat-Sun could be the original (or rather, the more pristine original from Hell Bent).
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Post by glutamodo on Apr 15, 2018 0:27:15 GMT
Now there we disagree. I loved that console room! Yar, that was a good'un.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Apr 15, 2018 1:11:35 GMT
The problem with "fixing" the TV movie was that the reason it wasn't picked up for a series had nothing to do with the contents. It got excellent ratings on the BBC, even if the reviews were mixed, and flopped on FOX because it was shoved into a terrible timeslot with no advertising. Nothing anyone could do to the story to make it appeal to general audiences would help. So, with that in mind, if I was doing the TV movie I'd just do whatever story I wanted to do because it didn't matter. Keep the incredible TARDIS and McGann, but toss out almost everything else. No regeneration, but plenty of past references to make it clear that yes, this IS the same Doctor, so don't go decanonizing him. The story would probably be a mix of Tom Baker's early run and the more off-beat, mature ideas from the Wilderness Years with just a dash of Moffat-esque time travel insanity. It would certainly not be mostly set on the present day Earth. The appeal of Doctor Who is that it can go anywhere and anywhen. Present-day Earth can act as an introduction, but that's all it is. Don't downplay the big selling point of the show.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 15, 2018 2:05:21 GMT
Keep: McGann, that console room, Amazing Grace, “please give me the keys before I shoot myself”. Ditch: The Master, thr TARDIS destroying the world, the regeneration. Add: a quiet invasion (Autons perhaps).
We open with a strangely dressed, unconscious “vagrant” being taken into hospital for examination by a police officer. Grace has just had a blazing row with her superiors and gets saddled with examining the “vagrant”, who has strange blood, two hearts and an allergic reaction to penicillin. He wakes, his mind addled and tells Grace a fractured story, she runs to get the police but the Doctor has disappeared. Cut to the scene at her place with the letterbox. The Doctor has settled and Grace cautiously listens. They’re attacked by whoever is hunting the Doctor, cue stealing a police bike etc etc. Now we reach the TARDIS. Grace now believes him. The Doctor says he’s tracked the centre of the Auton invasion, but needs something to disable them - the Atomic Clock. They go to the gala, steal the badge etc. but thr gala is attacked by the Autons. Another car case, lots of stuff blowing up and Autons attack the TARDIS. It’s indestructible so they’re safe BUT they need to leave that safety to save the world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 3:51:32 GMT
Now there we disagree. I loved that console room! Yar, that was a good'un. It's just so overdone for me and far too 'magical'. It's the American TV executives (not Americans themselves) version of what the TARDIS should be. I prefer the more stripped back approach of the original console - distincitly alien, but inviting, the promise of the unknown. I think the modern consoles have kind of struck a nice balance between them - going for the big visuals for today's kids and yet still honouring the past.
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Post by barnabaslives on Apr 15, 2018 7:02:23 GMT
Retain: Sylvester, backstory, the Regeneration, The Master, Grace, Chang Lee Discard: Dying in something so vulgarly pedestrian as a senseless alleyway shooting, half-human, stitches, snogging, Eric Roberts (der SchwarzenMaster?), the TARDIS threatening the world (some debut - saving us all from himself) Unsure: Eye of Harmony
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 15, 2018 10:38:24 GMT
Now there we disagree. I loved that console room! I'd use that for Mondays and Tuesdays, something grander for Wed-Fri, and Sat-Sun could be the original (or rather, the more pristine original from Hell Bent). I agree - the TV movie gave us the best Tardis interior ever!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 11:59:26 GMT
Only thing I would change is the half-human bit.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 15, 2018 12:08:37 GMT
Only thing I would change is the half-human bit. Agreed but nothing desperately needs changing,
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Post by thethirddoctor on Apr 15, 2018 13:46:42 GMT
How would you fix the TV movie? Introduce McGann a lot quicker. No kissing. Different TARDIS interior. No half human stuff. The story isn't great, and I have seen worse DW. It's a decent starting off point for a series.
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