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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 16:49:49 GMT
Wow, this is great fun. I loved the Bekdel test. The banter between River and Missy is great. Now just started Animal Instinct and Beevers is awesome, too. Great also to meet one of River's supposed students. Well the first story what can i say absolutely loved it.Michelle is such a great with a witty script and the gender change issue well done
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 19:12:54 GMT
Second Beevers story was just as good River does work well in the Universe.But Pause for now as i still haven’t listened to Series 8 The syndicate Masterplan i as usual waited for the cd to arrive which they did today.River i just really enjoy so no point in waiting
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Post by tuigirl on Jan 23, 2019 20:14:43 GMT
Well, just finished it and it was utterly brilliant. I am not even sure which one of the stories was my favorite. They were all great and certainly met my high expectations! Maybe I liked "The Lifeboat and the Deathboat" a bit less than the rest, just because it felt a bit jumpy and inconsistent in places, but you certainly cannot fault the actors. "The Bekdeltest", "Animal Instinct" and "Concealed Weapon" all were great. I loved the idea in "Concealed Weapon" of
{Spoiler} having the movie "Alien" play out... with the Master as the Alien monster.
That was genious!
Now I am really looking forward to the continuation of Missy's story in February!
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Post by Star Platinum on Jan 23, 2019 20:55:39 GMT
I’m surprised no one has commented on the first story “canonizing” the fatal death. I missed that. What did they say? I remember Missy saying something about Tersurus but I thought she was referencing The Two Masters. Missy says something along the lines of " I spent enough time crawling through sewers on Tersurus"
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Post by ollychops on Jan 23, 2019 21:14:33 GMT
I finished this in one evening, something that I haven't done with a BF release for a long time! I really enjoyed all the stories - the highlight for me was The Bekdel Test. Gomez and Kingston are brilliant together in that episode, they really bounce off each other - it makes me even more eager for Missy's upcoming boxset!
Loved hearing Roberts back too, in a more toned down version of his Master - hopefully we'll see him battling Eight at BF soon enough! Though, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed that BF didn't follow its own continuity, with Mastermind (especially since Jonathan Morris wrote Mastermind and he was a part of this boxset...) but that's a minor quibble for an otherwise great story.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 23, 2019 22:46:34 GMT
While Animal Instinct didn’t have the fizzy entergy of Gomez & Kingston, the Beavers & Kingston team-up offered its own set of pleasures. So far, so great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 23:00:34 GMT
Though, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed that BF didn't follow its own continuity, with Mastermind (especially since Jonathan Morris wrote Mastermind and he was a part of this boxset...) but that's a minor quibble for an otherwise great story. I could be wrong - and we all wrote our episodes independently, so I only found out the story on release too - but: {Spoiler} Is it not suggested that this Master is just as much a fragment of the original as the TARDIS is a fragment of its original? So conceivably this fragment's escaped, whilst the other does elsewhere, thus both entries are possible?
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Post by Digi on Jan 23, 2019 23:06:16 GMT
Though, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed that BF didn't follow its own continuity, with Mastermind (especially since Jonathan Morris wrote Mastermind and he was a part of this boxset...) but that's a minor quibble for an otherwise great story. I could be wrong - and we all wrote our episodes independently, so I only found out the story on release too - but: {Spoiler} Is it not suggested that this Master is just as much a fragment of the original as the TARDIS is a fragment of its original? So conceivably this fragment's escaped, whilst the other does elsewhere, thus both entries are possible? Two equally 'real' incarnations of the Master running around? Oh dear....
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Post by Star Platinum on Jan 23, 2019 23:25:54 GMT
Though, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed that BF didn't follow its own continuity, with Mastermind (especially since Jonathan Morris wrote Mastermind and he was a part of this boxset...) but that's a minor quibble for an otherwise great story. I could be wrong - and we all wrote our episodes independently, so I only found out the story on release too - but: {Spoiler} Is it not suggested that this Master is just as much a fragment of the original as the TARDIS is a fragment of its original? So conceivably this fragment's escaped, whilst the other does elsewhere, thus both entries are possible? You know, I was thinking about this today.
{Spoiler}
A master, with only one life, trapped in a human body, while another fully timelord version is running around.
I may not be a writer, but surely there is some story potential there.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jan 24, 2019 10:27:56 GMT
That was a great set. The Bekdel Test & Animal Instinct The first two stories were my favourite. The way the different Masters interact with River was a ton of fun. I appreciate how the first had a stronger emphasis on character interaction, while the second was more of a traditional Doctor Who adventure.
The Lifeboat & the Deathboat Cool story. Kind of reminded me of "Scenes From Her Life". It did a great job seeding clues through the story as to what's going on. And it was awesome getting Eric Roberts back. His sinister faux-father figure role was an interesting spin on the role.
I do have a couple of quibbles. While his calm and collected demeanor worked well for almost all of the story, I think Roberts he should have lost more of his cool towards the end: Let loose his more monstrous side. When he retains his controlled state as his whole plan is falling apart, it makes him sound a little bored. And there was something I didn't quite buy about psycho-lady.
Concealed Weapon The last story was good, but I would have liked more River and The Master. I know it was a deliberate choice, to have him talk the role of the alien in the shadows, but it wasn't quite doing it for me. It does pick up a lot past the half-way point.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 24, 2019 12:43:57 GMT
Strange to think that only as recently as 2016 when BF did The Two Masters, Beevers and McQueen were the only 2 Masters they had. Now they have too many for one boxset!
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Post by CookieMaster on Jan 24, 2019 15:56:21 GMT
I could be wrong - and we all wrote our episodes independently, so I only found out the story on release too - but: {Spoiler}Is it not suggested that this Master is just as much a fragment of the original as the TARDIS is a fragment of its original? So conceivably this fragment's escaped, whilst the other does elsewhere, thus both entries are possible? Two equally 'real' incarnations of the Master running around? Oh dear.... I am a huge fan of 'Mastermind' so naturally the last thing I want is for it to be erased and replaced. I am quite enjoying the idea that.. Esterath will eventually rescue the Master from the Time Vortex, as was shown in 'The Glorious Dead', albeit as a highly weakened essence. Eventually allowing Kroton to banish him to the Eye of Harmony, as has been suggested before.
However I will admit that the idea of the 'Mastermind' Master and the 'Lifeboat' Master being separated parts of a whole is interesting. That would make a genuine predicament for the Timelords to rescue him/them from.
Hopefully it gets acknowledged, as it's quite a glaring continuity error within bf media, especially if you are a Master fan. I guess this depends on follow up stories with Eric Roberts, which I am very much in favour of!
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 24, 2019 16:14:38 GMT
Though, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed that BF didn't follow its own continuity, with Mastermind (especially since Jonathan Morris wrote Mastermind and he was a part of this boxset...) but that's a minor quibble for an otherwise great story. I could be wrong - and we all wrote our episodes independently, so I only found out the story on release too - but: {Spoiler} Is it not suggested that this Master is just as much a fragment of the original as the TARDIS is a fragment of its original? So conceivably this fragment's escaped, whilst the other does elsewhere, thus both entries are possible? For some reason, I thought that this had already been the case with Mastermind, in that there were {Spoiler} already two separate versions of Eric Roberts. One who actually was the Master, and a human refraction. I guess that was something i had made up in my head?
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jan 24, 2019 21:50:27 GMT
I need mcqueen back!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 5:16:20 GMT
Well, just finished it and it was utterly brilliant. I am not even sure which one of the stories was my favorite. They were all great and certainly met my high expectations! Maybe I liked "The Lifeboat and the Deathboat" a bit less than the rest, just because it felt a bit jumpy and inconsistent in places, but you certainly cannot fault the actors. "The Bekdeltest", "Animal Instinct" and "Concealed Weapon" all were great. I loved the idea in "Concealed Weapon" of
{Spoiler} having the movie "Alien" play out... with the Master as the Alien monster.
That was genious!
Now I am really looking forward to the continuation of Missy's story in February!
Yes Michelle was a highlight of the Tv series and this script served her well on audio though i do miss seeing her ingenious facial expressions but could imagine them well
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Post by CookieMaster on Jan 25, 2019 9:03:45 GMT
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Post by Who Review on Jan 25, 2019 12:26:05 GMT
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Post by Digi on Jan 25, 2019 16:20:24 GMT
I've been thinking the same thing a lot over the last few months. There's a ton of great Master stuff being announced and released, but Macqueen is nowhere to be found. It's a massive hole/huge missed opportunity to introduce new listeners to audio-original characters, IMO. Plus I just really like his version of the Master.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jan 25, 2019 18:39:36 GMT
Recording my review tomorrow
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Post by Whovitt on Jan 26, 2019 10:10:20 GMT
Quite a good box set on the whole I'm odd in that I think the first series was the best and that the subsequent releases haven't been quite as good, but this set was a strong contender for top spot! The Bekdel Test was the first time I've genuinely enjoyed Missy (shock horror ). She was just fun here, as opposed to... whatever she was on TV, and her chemistry with River was just brilliant. I'm certainly a lot more excited about her solo release next month now! Animal Instinct was possibly my favourite of the set, though I'm not sure whether I liked it more than The Bekdel Test or not. Again, the chemistry between Beevers and Kingston was just so much fun to listen to, and I really liked getting to see the not-so-sassy/flirty River and more of the serious, I'm-doing-what-I-have-to-type River. I think when she's not in control of what's going on she feels a lot more real, as seeing her trying desperately to take charge and fail helps to remind me that she's supposed to be a real person and not some character that tends to get her way. The Lifeboat and the Deathboat was... interesting? I had a problem in that I couldn't recognise Roberts' voice to save my life, and I was too distracted trying to work out if it was actually him or someone else from the very beginning to properly enjoy it. I liked the concept of how he got out of the events of The Movie, but I've yet to hear Mastermind, so maybe I'll have issues with it later If nothing else, I'd personally probably consider this to be the "true" explanation purely because it actually features Roberts, giving it priority over an expositional piece. I enjoyed the story on the whole, but it was possibly the most lacklustre episode of the set. Concealed Weapon was pretty much a one hour summary of what I didn't like about The Master of Callous - I'm being expected to care for characters that I don't really care about, and the Master's only in half of the bloody thing! I get it, he's a master manipulator, but I'd like to actually "see" the character. Jacobi is phenomenal in the role, and to see him 'wasted' by having half his character's actions performed off-screen is just continually disappointing for me. Other than that, similarly to Animal Instinct, it was great to see River properly lose, if only because it doesn't seem to happen all that often and, when it does, it really sticks with you. Overall, a pretty enjoyable set! Looking forward to the next one
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