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Post by mark687 on Nov 9, 2015 10:39:53 GMT
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 9, 2015 19:29:38 GMT
A script by Steve Lyons is always welcome. I'm watching this one closely as far as keeping a release date. If this one gets pushed back, I'm going to have to look really hard at pre-ordering off the beaten path ranges that BF offers.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 9, 2015 19:46:09 GMT
I am really surprised that Jonny Morris isn't involved in this!
I thought that Vienna was very much his creation?
The one off initial release and the first box set were brilliant, but I found that the second box set digressed too much from what had been set up before. I recently re-listened to that second box set and enjoyed it more than I did initially, but it still didn't compare favourable to the original. Now the write ups to this third set and the loss of Jonny Morris really isn't selling this boxset to me.
I recall saying on the old forum that Big Finish missed a trick not discounting the two set bundle in some way, becuase I only ordered the second set and am still undecided about pre-order the third.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 9, 2015 21:00:16 GMT
I am really surprised that Jonny Morris isn't involved in this! I thought that Vienna was very much his creation? The one off initial release and the first box set were brilliant, but I found that the second box set digressed too much from what had been set up before. I recently re-listened to that second box set and enjoyed it more than I did initially, but it still didn't compare favourable to the original. Now the write ups to this third set and the loss of Jonny Morris really isn't selling this boxset to me. I recall saying on the old forum that Big Finish missed a trick not discounting the two set bundle in some way, becuase I only ordered the second set and am still undecided about pre-order the third. I was surprised by his name not being listed as one of the writers as well. And I agree, the second box set was a step down from the first. Like you I gave it a second listen and warmed to it much more the second go through.
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Post by omega on Nov 10, 2015 2:31:19 GMT
There's a slight mistake in the Written By:/Directed By: bit.
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Post by OneTen on Nov 10, 2015 9:18:58 GMT
The one off initial release and the first box set were brilliant, but I found that the second box set digressed too much from what had been set up before. My feeling too. Yes, I'd have bought the bundle, but after the second box I'd decided to bail out. Now I'm tempted again because I generally like Steve Lyon's stuff, but I'll probably wait for the reviews to see if it is still the more standard cop/buddy setup, or back to the more uncompromising 'nobody hears my name and lives' assassin stuff.
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Post by jonnymorris on Nov 10, 2015 10:27:23 GMT
mbt66 said:
Hiya,
I can assure you I was very much involved with this, in a script editor/showrunner capacity, working alongside producer Cav Scott. All the scripts have had my input (for good or for bad!) and because I haven't written them I can say without fear of aggrandisement that they are three extremely exciting, original and surprising stories, all adding to the Vienna universe whilst being completely true to it. It's the series of Vienna I'm most proud of. Part of the attraction of this series for me is the chance to bring in writers new to the series and get more ideas thrown into the mix.
After our sojourn on Earth, we're also back to intergalactic adventures like the first series. Three extraordinary, strange new worlds!
Jonny
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 10, 2015 13:07:03 GMT
Looking forward to this, like the Vienna range.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 11, 2015 20:12:48 GMT
mbt66 said: Hiya, I can assure you I was very much involved with this, in a script editor/showrunner capacity, working alongside producer Cav Scott. All the scripts have had my input (for good or for bad!) and because I haven't written them I can say without fear of aggrandisement that they are three extremely exciting, original and surprising stories, all adding to the Vienna universe whilst being completely true to it. It's the series of Vienna I'm most proud of. Part of the attraction of this series for me is the chance to bring in writers new to the series and get more ideas thrown into the mix. After our sojourn on Earth, we're also back to intergalactic adventures like the first series. Three extraordinary, strange new worlds! Jonny Thank you for the update - that is very good to hear.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 13, 2015 0:11:58 GMT
mbt66 said: Hiya, I can assure you I was very much involved with this, in a script editor/showrunner capacity, working alongside producer Cav Scott. All the scripts have had my input (for good or for bad!) and because I haven't written them I can say without fear of aggrandisement that they are three extremely exciting, original and surprising stories, all adding to the Vienna universe whilst being completely true to it. It's the series of Vienna I'm most proud of. Part of the attraction of this series for me is the chance to bring in writers new to the series and get more ideas thrown into the mix. After our sojourn on Earth, we're also back to intergalactic adventures like the first series. Three extraordinary, strange new worlds! Jonny Also thanks for joining us here after the official forum closed Anywhere where we can wedge Vienna into 8's life? HINT!
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Post by omega on Nov 13, 2015 1:43:18 GMT
Also thanks for joining us here after the official forum closed Anywhere where we can wedge Vienna into 8's life? HINT! Well that would for the admins at TARDIS Wikia to reconsider their approach towards Vienna. Can we get a definitive answer as to whether or not her spin-off is still in the Whoniverse?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 13, 2015 1:54:15 GMT
Also thanks for joining us here after the official forum closed Anywhere where we can wedge Vienna into 8's life? HINT! Well that would for the admins at TARDIS Wikia to reconsider their approach towards Vienna. Can we get a definitive answer as to whether or not her spin-off is still in the Whoniverse? It plainly is, them miscontruing a statement that it is its own thing when that just means she has her own adventures without the Doctor or constantly running into the Doctor's friends is ridiculous. You may as well say that about the Cyberman series, in which none of the characters has ever interacted with the Doctor, is not in the Who universe, but they don't do that. It's one admin's personal canon that they want to enforce. We all have those in one way or another, I for one dislike the constant attempts to fit all the NAs/EDAs into the same continuity as BF's material, getting highly fed up with statements along the lines of "how does such and such line up with such and such NA/EDA?" when BF put out a story, but if you're admining a wiki then that isn't your call to make, just that the information provided is accurate and up-to-date, not to put my spin on it. If it was my own personal thing then maybe, but it isn't. But perhaps a definitive statement from BF would help. An email to Vortex perhaps if Jonny is too busy.
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Post by omega on Nov 13, 2015 2:06:14 GMT
Well that would for the admins at TARDIS Wikia to reconsider their approach towards Vienna. Can we get a definitive answer as to whether or not her spin-off is still in the Whoniverse? It plainly is, them miscontruing a statement that it is its own thing when that just means she has her own adventures without the Doctor or constantly running into the Doctor's friends is ridiculous. You may as well say that about the Cyberman series, in which none of the characters has ever interacted with the Doctor, is not in the Who universe, but they don't do that. It's one admin's personal canon that they want to enforce. We all have those in one way or another, I for one dislike the constant attempts to fit all the NAs/EDAs into the same continuity as BF's material, getting highly fed up with statements along the lines of "how does such and such line up with such and such NA/EDA?" when BF put out a story, but if you're admining a wiki then that isn't your call to make, just that the information provided is accurate and up-to-date, not to put my spin on it. If it was my own personal thing then maybe, but it isn't. But perhaps a definitive statement from BF would help. An email to Vortex perhaps if Jonny is too busy. They did drop the timeline section saying what story is next ages ago. For me the best way to avoid a headache is to go with the explanation given in Zagreus, that the different media are set in alternate continuities. It's really ironic how the snarled and tangled continuity that would normally be anathema to obsessive fans (apologies to such fans) ends up drawing them in. They try to find patterns where there are none, typical humans.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 13, 2015 2:14:32 GMT
It plainly is, them miscontruing a statement that it is its own thing when that just means she has her own adventures without the Doctor or constantly running into the Doctor's friends is ridiculous. You may as well say that about the Cyberman series, in which none of the characters has ever interacted with the Doctor, is not in the Who universe, but they don't do that. It's one admin's personal canon that they want to enforce. We all have those in one way or another, I for one dislike the constant attempts to fit all the NAs/EDAs into the same continuity as BF's material, getting highly fed up with statements along the lines of "how does such and such line up with such and such NA/EDA?" when BF put out a story, but if you're admining a wiki then that isn't your call to make, just that the information provided is accurate and up-to-date, not to put my spin on it. If it was my own personal thing then maybe, but it isn't. But perhaps a definitive statement from BF would help. An email to Vortex perhaps if Jonny is too busy. They did drop the timeline section saying what story is next ages ago. For me the best way to avoid a headache is to go with the explanation given in Zagreus, that the different media are set in alternate continuities. It's really ironic how the snarled and tangled continuity that would normally be anathema to obsessive fans (apologies to such fans) ends up drawing them in. They try to find patterns where there are none, typical humans. That works for me For me BF ARE canon in a way that the novels never were, even though licensed, due to BF ensuring they don't contradict established TV continuity and, something the novels didn't strive for, or if they did it wasn't enforced, and then most importantly, being actually performed by the Doctors and Companions!
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Post by OneTen on Nov 13, 2015 10:01:37 GMT
Well that would for the admins at TARDIS Wikia to reconsider their approach towards Vienna. Can we get a definitive answer as to whether or not her spin-off is still in the Whoniverse? I guess I've missed some controversy somewhere - but what's the case for saying it's not in the Whoniverse? Vienna has met the Doctor. There are slithergee in The Memory Box, surely they are Doctor Who monsters since they were introduced in Flip Flop, a Doctor Who story?. I'm guessing you also think it is set in the Whoniverse, but I'm interested why some people might not.
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Post by omega on Nov 13, 2015 10:14:39 GMT
Well that would for the admins at TARDIS Wikia to reconsider their approach towards Vienna. Can we get a definitive answer as to whether or not her spin-off is still in the Whoniverse? I guess I've missed some controversy somewhere - but what's the case for saying it's not in the Whoniverse? Vienna has met the Doctor. There are slithergee in The Memory Box, surely they are Doctor Who monsters since they were introduced in Flip Flop, a Doctor Who story?. I'm guessing you also think it is set in the Whoniverse, but I'm interested why some people might not. The reason cited on the character page goes back to a Christmas podcast from 2012. I do believe there's no in-story evidence to exclude from the Doctor Who universe (or Whoniverse). Time and space is huge, there is a high possibility that the people the Doctor meets, like Vienna for example, can have their own adventures without the Doctor getting involved. Benny has her own range with time and space shenanigans, Jago and Litefoot have their infernal investigations without the Doctor and UNIT fought the Nestene Consciousness in Extinction. He can't be everywhere and when (among other things it would make his personal timeline very, very confusing). The Memory Box also mention to Kylo and Aliona from The Shadow Heart.
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Post by jonnymorris on Nov 13, 2015 10:47:12 GMT
Well that would for the admins at TARDIS Wikia to reconsider their approach towards Vienna. Can we get a definitive answer as to whether or not her spin-off is still in the Whoniverse? Well, not from me, I'm afraid I'm not in a position to make any official statement. My feeling is that canonically she exists in the same sort of hinterland as Bernice Summerfield or the Graceless girls, if that helps (it probably doesn't). The character is owned by Big Finish, not the BBC, so legally speaking she's not from 'The Worlds of Doctor Who'. With the three series, my approach has been to establish the character in her own right, so (since 'The Memory Box') there haven't been any references to Doctor Who. But are the stories set in the same universe as 'The Shadow Heart'? In my opinion, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 12:08:11 GMT
Very, very excited about this.
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 13, 2015 20:50:42 GMT
Looking through the cast list for this I have just noticed that Sophie Aldred is playing a character called Kensington Fox!!! I think that just convinced me
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Post by seeley on Nov 13, 2015 22:11:00 GMT
They did drop the timeline section saying what story is next ages ago. For me the best way to avoid a headache is to go with the explanation given in Zagreus, that the different media are set in alternate continuities. It's really ironic how the snarled and tangled continuity that would normally be anathema to obsessive fans (apologies to such fans) ends up drawing them in. They try to find patterns where there are none, typical humans. For me BF ARE canon in a way that the novels never were, even though licensed, due to BF ensuring they don't contradict established TV continuity and, something the novels didn't strive for So you don't consider Genesis of the Daleks canon? How about the Two Doctors? The Daemons? The Time Monster? The Dalek Invasion of Earth? Besides, I find it a bit hard to believe that there are no Big Finish stories that contradict the TV series. Admittedly, I can think of nothing off the top of my head, but Dastari Creel's blog makes a point of noting them,so they do exist. And what of contradictions between Big Finish stories? Take the Reaping and Peri and the Piscon Paradox. Central elements of both tales disregard each other. EDIT: Come to think of it, there's the Oseidon Adventure, which has the Brigadier active in 1978, when Madrywn Undead has him retiring in 1976. Also, do you consider the New Series books canon? Because Gary Russel's Big Bang Generation recently came out, and, in addition to featuring Benny and some of her cohorts from her Big Finish series, apparently features Keri the Pakhar and makes reference to Sanctuary and the Blue Angel.
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