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Post by theotherjosh on May 21, 2018 23:47:11 GMT
I think it's a mixture of things, to be honest. We've seen how beloved properties have been mishandled, often in the name (but defiently not respecting) a modern audience. And we've also seen what else is out there. I agree with everything here, I don't care if Doctor Who attracts casual viewers. Hating something because it's popular is just as silly as liking something because it's popular. Who gives a fig what other people enjoy? My first thoughts when I heard about the 2005 revival were, "Don't mess this up again!" The McGann movie was a disappointment and I had concerns that the revival would emphasize the broader aspects of Doctor Who in an attempt to appeal to casual viewers. I didn't want a Doctor Who that felt like every other science fiction show.But I think @michaelhocking3 got it absolutely right. Doctor Who has always about mainstream entertainment. The mythology built up piecemeal and was always secondary.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 23, 2018 9:57:03 GMT
My wife and my two eldest are only casual fans but they sat and watched each episode with me for the first time since about series 2. They really enjoyed it. When I got the DVDs my eldest came and watched them with me - which never happens. But but but but Moffat plot holes....... You could be correct. Casual viewers are switching off because the stories don't make sense. Well spotted.
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Post by mark687 on May 23, 2018 10:22:14 GMT
I think there's a massive plus point for the casual viewer this year and its Bradley Walsh, nearly everybody in the UK knows him from something and his relatable.
Look a casual audience raises viewing figures. that brings awards, that brings in more BBC money, so its a win win.
Are we going back to the more Soap Opera style of RTD, probably but that works best for casual audience.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 23, 2018 10:39:02 GMT
I think there's a massive plus point for the casual viewer this year and its Bradley Walsh, nearly everybody in the UK knows him from something and his relatable. Look a casual audience raises viewing figures. that brings awards, that brings in more BBC money, so its a win win. Are we going back to the more Soap Opera style of RTD, probably but that works best for casual audience. Regards mark687 So, Jodie Whittaker hasn't done anything relate-able? Interesting, you feel that Bradley Walsh is your focus of attention.
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Post by mark687 on May 23, 2018 10:50:58 GMT
I think there's a massive plus point for the casual viewer this year and its Bradley Walsh, nearly everybody in the UK knows him from something and his relatable. Look a casual audience raises viewing figures. that brings awards, that brings in more BBC money, so its a win win. Are we going back to the more Soap Opera style of RTD, probably but that works best for casual audience. Regards mark687 So, Jodie Whittaker hasn't done anything relate-able? Interesting, you feel that Bradley Walsh is your focus of attention. Not MY attention the causal audience's!
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 23, 2018 11:44:52 GMT
So, Jodie Whittaker hasn't done anything relate-able? Interesting, you feel that Bradley Walsh is your focus of attention. Not MY attention the causal audience's!
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Your interpretation of what the casual audience think. Jodie Whttaker did Broadchurch and Trust Me. Two extremely high profile shows. Bradley Walsh has acting in Sun Trap(?) and one episode of The Revolting World of Stanley Brown. He hasn't done anything substantial since Law and Order UK.
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Post by mark687 on May 23, 2018 11:54:51 GMT
Not MY attention the causal audience's!
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Jodie Whttaker did Broadchurch and Trust Me. Two extremely high profile shows. Bradley Walsh has acting in Sun Trap(?) and one episode of The Revolting World of Stanley Brown. He hasn't done anything substantial since Law and Order UK. The Chase is a top British Quiz show at the moment and the Thread refers to casual audience perceptions. Do I fear them no. Do I think more of them will be watching in the UK because its a Female Doctor assisted a popular UK Personality (and a decent Actor) ? Certainly, and that's not to take anything away from Jodie Whittaker they should compliment each other well.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 23, 2018 12:19:24 GMT
Not MY attention the causal audience's!
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Your interpretation of what the casual audience think. Jodie Whttaker did Broadchurch and Trust Me. Two extremely high profile shows. Bradley Walsh has acting in Sun Trap(?) and one episode of The Revolting World of Stanley Brown. He hasn't done anything substantial since Law and Order UK. Kinda answered your own question there: Law & Order is hardly some obscure indie cult drama on some random cable network. In fact, it's far more high profile and recognizable than a one-off miniseries like Trust Me. Plus, as Mark pointed out, Bradley's a big mainstream face in the UK with more street value than Jodie. It's 'oh, the lady from Broadchurch' vs 'Oh, I see that guy everywhere. Game shows, populist dramas and TV, panto theatre for the whole family. He's funny.' Dude's very much cut from the cloth of old school, mass-appeal and versatile entertainers like Bruce Forsyth.
(And before you say 'but he wasn't the star of Law & Order!', Jodie wasn't the star of Broadchurch either).
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 23, 2018 15:55:29 GMT
Your interpretation of what the casual audience think. Jodie Whttaker did Broadchurch and Trust Me. Two extremely high profile shows. Bradley Walsh has acting in Sun Trap(?) and one episode of The Revolting World of Stanley Brown. He hasn't done anything substantial since Law and Order UK. Kinda answered your own question there: Law & Order is hardly some obscure indie cult drama on some random cable network. In fact, it's far more high profile and recognizable than a one-off miniseries like Trust Me. Plus, as Mark pointed out, Bradley's a big mainstream face in the UK with more street value than Jodie. It's 'oh, the lady from Broadchurch' vs 'Oh, I see that guy everywhere. Game shows, populist dramas and TV, panto theatre for the whole family. He's funny.' Dude's very much cut from the cloth of old school, mass-appeal and versatile entertainers like Bruce Forsyth.
(And before you say 'but he wasn't the star of Law & Order!', Jodie wasn't the star of Broadchurch either).
Law and Order UK was cancelled in 2014. So many fans, and casual viewers may think he is only a game show host. As, for Jodie being "oh, the lady from Broadchurch". Her Broadchurch appearances got her the job.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 23, 2018 16:04:39 GMT
Kinda answered your own question there: Law & Order is hardly some obscure indie cult drama on some random cable network. In fact, it's far more high profile and recognizable than a one-off miniseries like Trust Me. Plus, as Mark pointed out, Bradley's a big mainstream face in the UK with more street value than Jodie. It's 'oh, the lady from Broadchurch' vs 'Oh, I see that guy everywhere. Game shows, populist dramas and TV, panto theatre for the whole family. He's funny.' Dude's very much cut from the cloth of old school, mass-appeal and versatile entertainers like Bruce Forsyth.
(And before you say 'but he wasn't the star of Law & Order!', Jodie wasn't the star of Broadchurch either).
Law and Order UK was cancelled in 2014. So many fans, and casual viewers may think he is only a game show host. As, for Jodie being "oh, the lady from Broadchurch". Her Broadchurch appearances got her the job. Brands. Have a suprising amount of power, looking into it sometime.
Also yes, but the public weren't the ones who made that call, did they? And if you're trying to twist this into somehow getting us to invalidate Jodie, that's just plain old false equivalence.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 23, 2018 16:30:27 GMT
Law and Order UK was cancelled in 2014. So many fans, and casual viewers may think he is only a game show host. As, for Jodie being "oh, the lady from Broadchurch". Her Broadchurch appearances got her the job. Brands. Have a suprising amount of power, looking into it sometime.
Also yes, but the public weren't the ones who made that call, did they? And if you're trying to twist this into somehow getting us to invalidate Jodie, that's just plain old false equivalence.
Never crossed my mind. But, it has been said that Bradley Walsh is more identifiable and famous than Jodie.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:00:33 GMT
Brands. Have a suprising amount of power, looking into it sometime.
Also yes, but the public weren't the ones who made that call, did they? And if you're trying to twist this into somehow getting us to invalidate Jodie, that's just plain old false equivalence.
But, it has been said that Bradley Walsh is more identifiable and famous than Jodie. Can't argue with that. Bradley Walsh was also a regular in Coronation Street for a couple of years as Mike Baldwin's nephew, so he's very identifiable, and probably is more well known to the casual TV watching audience than Jodie.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:16:59 GMT
But, it has been said that Bradley Walsh is more identifiable and famous than Jodie. Can't argue with that. Bradley Walsh was also a regular in Coronation Street for a couple of years as Mike Baldwin's nephew, so he's very identifiable, and probably is more well known to the casual TV watching audience than Jodie. Which is fine. I reckon more people would have been able to name Billie Piper than Chris Eccleston before 2005's relaunch. Catherine Tennant might have been somewhat of a bigger name than David Tennant in 2006. Bonnie Langford was certainly more famous than Colin Baker ever has been. Nothing new there.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:26:13 GMT
Can't argue with that. Bradley Walsh was also a regular in Coronation Street for a couple of years as Mike Baldwin's nephew, so he's very identifiable, and probably is more well known to the casual TV watching audience than Jodie. Which is fine. I reckon more people would have been able to name Billie Piper than Chris Eccleston before 2005's relaunch. Catherine Tennant might have been somewhat of a bigger name than David Tennant in 2006. Bonnie Langford was certainly more famous than Colin Baker ever has been. Nothing new there. Catherine Tennant?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:27:45 GMT
I'm not even going to edit. I own my typos. * Tate
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Post by fantasticalice on May 24, 2018 5:23:40 GMT
I'm not even going to edit. I own my typos. * Tate We just won't tell Georgia. Shhhhh.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 25, 2018 20:48:26 GMT
Your interpretation of what the casual audience think. Jodie Whttaker did Broadchurch and Trust Me. Two extremely high profile shows. Bradley Walsh has acting in Sun Trap(?) and one episode of The Revolting World of Stanley Brown. He hasn't done anything substantial since Law and Order UK. Kinda answered your own question there: Law & Order is hardly some obscure indie cult drama on some random cable network. In fact, it's far more high profile and recognizable than a one-off miniseries like Trust Me. Plus, as Mark pointed out, Bradley's a big mainstream face in the UK with more street value than Jodie. It's 'oh, the lady from Broadchurch' vs 'Oh, I see that guy everywhere. Game shows, populist dramas and TV, panto theatre for the whole family. He's funny.' Dude's very much cut from the cloth of old school, mass-appeal and versatile entertainers like Bruce Forsyth.
(And before you say 'but he wasn't the star of Law & Order!', Jodie wasn't the star of Broadchurch either).
Walsh has the kind of CV and entertainment visibility that a few years ago would have put him in contention for the lead role. Anyway. You are all wrong. Forget Broadchurch and Trust Me, Jodie Whittaker's best known prior credit is clearly as the female lead in Attack the Block.
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Post by mark687 on May 25, 2018 22:39:55 GMT
Kinda answered your own question there: Law & Order is hardly some obscure indie cult drama on some random cable network. In fact, it's far more high profile and recognizable than a one-off miniseries like Trust Me. Plus, as Mark pointed out, Bradley's a big mainstream face in the UK with more street value than Jodie. It's 'oh, the lady from Broadchurch' vs 'Oh, I see that guy everywhere. Game shows, populist dramas and TV, panto theatre for the whole family. He's funny.' Dude's very much cut from the cloth of old school, mass-appeal and versatile entertainers like Bruce Forsyth.
(And before you say 'but he wasn't the star of Law & Order!', Jodie wasn't the star of Broadchurch either).
Walsh has the kind of CV and entertainment visibility that a few years ago would have put him in contention for the lead role. Anyway. You are all wrong. Forget Broadchurch and Trust Me, Jodie Whittaker's best known prior credit is clearly as the female lead in Attack the Block. Or Valery the Secretary in the St Trinnian's Remakes
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Post by randomjc on May 29, 2018 15:19:33 GMT
I'm not even sure how to define casual most of the time. When does one stop being a casual, and becomes a "fan".
That aside, gatekeeping is crap. It destroys what it sets out to preserve, and makes any fandom toxic and unenjoyably.
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Post by thethirddoctor on May 29, 2018 16:32:52 GMT
Kinda answered your own question there: Law & Order is hardly some obscure indie cult drama on some random cable network. In fact, it's far more high profile and recognizable than a one-off miniseries like Trust Me. Plus, as Mark pointed out, Bradley's a big mainstream face in the UK with more street value than Jodie. It's 'oh, the lady from Broadchurch' vs 'Oh, I see that guy everywhere. Game shows, populist dramas and TV, panto theatre for the whole family. He's funny.' Dude's very much cut from the cloth of old school, mass-appeal and versatile entertainers like Bruce Forsyth.
(And before you say 'but he wasn't the star of Law & Order!', Jodie wasn't the star of Broadchurch either).
Walsh has the kind of CV and entertainment visibility that a few years ago would have put him in contention for the lead role. Anyway. You are all wrong. Forget Broadchurch and Trust Me, Jodie Whittaker's best known prior credit is clearly as the female lead in Attack the Block. Even that was in 2011.
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