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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 1, 2018 23:44:06 GMT
With all the shootings over in the States and the persistent issue of knife crime down in London (though certainly not isolated from other parts of the UK), what can be done to tackle youth violence? Interested to hear teacher perspectives here.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 2, 2018 7:54:36 GMT
and don't forget the Cowards Punches in Australia..
drunk teens puffing up and being idjits.
the drinking age in Aust is 18 - 21 in USA.. hhmmm
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 2, 2018 8:55:21 GMT
Bring back the birch?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 10:37:22 GMT
Ban gun ownership in US.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 11:07:50 GMT
Boost in youth services/higher wages for teachers so they have more motivation or time to help vulnerable students/higher funding for schools in general/higher minimum or living wage across the board so parents have more time and energy to spend with their kids and stop them going down the wrong path.
(This is for the UK, obvs.)
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 2, 2018 14:37:12 GMT
I think that a lot of it comes from the sense of disenfranchisement that a lot of young people have: youth have always been expected to behave like adults without receiving the member benefits of actually being an adult. And since the 70s youth unemployment has been consistently higher than almost any other demographic. Which can lead to a sense of alienation which is filled in by anything that might take its place and give people a sense of belonging. I'm wondering if anyone who is better at gathering statistics than me might have an idea about the decline of "youth-based" organisations or facilities and the rise of violence. I definitely don't by into the generational hatred game - always led by those on the verge of retirement - that gets perpetrated on every upcoming generation but which seems much more personal than the slings and arrows directed at myself and my peers when growing up.
I don't really have any solution except to be welcoming and non-judgemental to kids and to deflect their energies into anything positive that doesn't require then to dwell on the differences between them and others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 12:00:42 GMT
Mmm... Unfortunately, there is no hard and fast solution for every circumstance. The Australian Research Alliance has this which outlines potential risk factors (situational, cultural, media-based) and how they can potentially be addressed. Including some methods which don't work. It's a bit of a long read, so I'll summarise some of the points. Strong bonds to friends or family can potentially limit aberrant behaviour, as well as healthy beliefs (compassion, empathy and a knowledge of consequence) and clear standards for behaviour. Personally, one of the lines from TNG that stuck with me for years after the fact is: Fatalism is an inherent part of adolescence, I think, and it comes about probably because the brain isn't able to bridge that gap yet with whatever code of beliefs works for that person. Stopping that idea from manifesting in the first place is really difficult. The brain is still developing and it's going to throw that at the wall to see what happens, but changing it once it emerges is possible and I think a very important aspect in making sure these problems don't escalate into full-blown violence. And a lot of this fundamentally stems from the psychology. The fact that the brain is having an electrochemical fiesta in a crowded room with all the lights turned out and it's being exposed to an environment (good or ill) it doesn't necessarily understand yet. So... I'd say support. Support is vital and there have been considerable strides made in offering a support system that anyone and everyone can join. Getting rid of that stigma around mental health where possible has really helped as people can now freely go to these professional services or even just friends and family to talk out their problems and communicate. Belong, in other words, and I think that's probably the most important thing to a teen that I remember. That they feel wanted.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 5, 2018 11:46:56 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:46:24 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service No thanks mate I'm alright.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:34:58 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service Yes. Teach young people how to kill. What a ridiculous idea.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 6, 2018 8:20:06 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service Yes. Teach young people how to kill. What a ridiculous idea. Most of them already know how to. Thats the problem If you dont agree with that, how about that Boot Camp they do in the states. Where Young Offenders have a choice between Jail and this 6th month programme lead by retired military, to whip them into shape. If they are kicked off the course, they go to jail and do the original sentence
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Post by muckypup on Jun 6, 2018 13:43:38 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service it dont work, its dam expensive and even if you do it for all services (heath, fire, law, armed forces etc) there is little proof it makes people more civilised. they need prospects, we have to stop giving everything away for profit......or force firms to build community not chase profits we need tax changes.....everyone needs to pay 12% on everything not exceptions no rebates........ careers, we need to look after them stop allowing firms to hire ready made and start making them home grow talent housing, we need to stop looking at homes as investments......it needs to be complicated and expensive to own 2nd homes and we need the fair rent boards reinstated in every council. we need to stop condoning bad behaviour.......under 16 should be punished for under age sex.....its a criminal act by both parties...... crime is not petty........over 10's should be held accountable for their behaviour oh and a whole host of other stuff that we have big opinions on from very little information.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 20:06:16 GMT
Yes. Teach young people how to kill. What a ridiculous idea. Most of them already know how to. Thats the problem If you dont agree with that, how about that Boot Camp they do in the states. Where Young Offenders have a choice between Jail and this 6th month programme lead by retired military, to whip them into shape. If they are kicked off the course, they go to jail and do the original sentence The last thing I want is to ape what the USA does! What on earth does whipping them into shape mean?!? We don't need the military intervening in brainwashing our youth!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 20:07:48 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service it dont work, its dam expensive and even if you do it for all services (heath, fire, law, armed forces etc) there is little proof it makes people more civilised. they need prospects, Exactly, look at things like what happened at Deepcut Barracks.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 7, 2018 10:49:46 GMT
Most of them already know how to. Thats the problem If you dont agree with that, how about that Boot Camp they do in the states. Where Young Offenders have a choice between Jail and this 6th month programme lead by retired military, to whip them into shape. If they are kicked off the course, they go to jail and do the original sentence The last thing I want is to ape what the USA does! What on earth does whipping them into shape mean?!? We don't need the military intervening in brainwashing our youth! You have any ideas? or you just gonna slag of other peoples?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 10:52:18 GMT
The last thing I want is to ape what the USA does! What on earth does whipping them into shape mean?!? We don't need the military intervening in brainwashing our youth! You have any ideas? or you just gonna slag of other peoples?I had already responded. Also some of what others have said correlates with what I think. Even if I hadn't this is a forum & surely I am allowed to disagree with other opinions on this or any other thread?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 7, 2018 10:52:24 GMT
Maybe Bring back National Service it dont work, its dam expensive and even if you do it for all services (heath, fire, law, armed forces etc) there is little proof it makes people more civilised. they need prospects, we have to stop giving everything away for profit......or force firms to build community not chase profits we need tax changes.....everyone needs to pay 12% on everything not exceptions no rebates........ careers, we need to look after them stop allowing firms to hire ready made and start making them home grow talent housing, we need to stop looking at homes as investments......it needs to be complicated and expensive to own 2nd homes and we need the fair rent boards reinstated in every council. we need to stop condoning bad behaviour.......under 16 should be punished for under age sex.....its a criminal act by both parties...... crime is not petty........over 10's should be held accountable for their behaviour oh and a whole host of other stuff that we have big opinions on from very little information. Okay, Least you are giving me other avenues to think of. National Service came to mind, because its what my Grandad did when he was younger. Of course this was the very late 40's/Early 50's so its a different mindset, but he was one of the best people i knew so, why couldnt we go back to it, was what i was thinking
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Post by muckypup on Jun 7, 2018 11:23:13 GMT
it dont work, its dam expensive and even if you do it for all services (heath, fire, law, armed forces etc) there is little proof it makes people more civilised. they need prospects, we have to stop giving everything away for profit......or force firms to build community not chase profits we need tax changes.....everyone needs to pay 12% on everything not exceptions no rebates........ careers, we need to look after them stop allowing firms to hire ready made and start making them home grow talent housing, we need to stop looking at homes as investments......it needs to be complicated and expensive to own 2nd homes and we need the fair rent boards reinstated in every council. we need to stop condoning bad behaviour.......under 16 should be punished for under age sex.....its a criminal act by both parties...... crime is not petty........over 10's should be held accountable for their behaviour oh and a whole host of other stuff that we have big opinions on from very little information. Okay, Least you are giving me other avenues to think of. National Service came to mind, because its what my Grandad did when he was younger. Of course this was the very late 40's/Early 50's so its a different mindset, but he was one of the best people i knew so, why couldnt we go back to it, was what i was thinking I think many do, think missing national service is what’s wrong, but in countries that still have national service they still have many of the same problems. we need to instil community values, but until they feel there is a positive future they will always live in today and to hell with the tomorrow’s the world your grandad came from, a better future for yourself could be achieved by hard work and education, or at least that’s how they felt. You could rent your home without fear of eviction at a moments notice & at the end a pension and a few years to enjoy it. not now, I know two people who got good grades at school, went to uni and did ok and now.....is there work, home and reward for their hard work.......no! one does 16 hours at a supermarket and the Other mows lawns...... But I am starting to ramble, i am constantly hearing that brexit will mean we don’t have enough skilled people.......well we are two years down the line train them you have had enough time. we have lots of young people who only need help and guidance to be amazing, who are thrown away in this era of league tables and performance.
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Post by newt5996 on Jun 9, 2018 18:31:30 GMT
Ban knife ownership in the UK while we’re entertaining fantasies. A more attainable solution would partially be encouraging better parenting as a lot of the violent cases can be traced to a bad home life. Both the US and the UK also need to work on mental health issues as many school shooters are the depressed and the loners. I’d also say with refugees who come and cause trouble (with the knife and truck attacks) helping them integrate closer into western society and find a more common ground might help, make them feel more welcome and introduce them to more western ideas. Basically stewing in isolation and isolation of a group (such as a religion/family) is the easiest way to cause the violent outbursts among the youth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 23:31:33 GMT
You've got to have hope. I remember an old joke about the 50s: "Dammit, man! In my day, I could go down to the brewery, work a three-hour shift, be fired for getting drunk on the job and toddle into the nut factory before the sun went down." As an old warhound who'd grown up then pointed out to me, a large portion of why that was so was because 60 million people back then were dead. That's just the casualty rate from the Second World War, 41 million died in the First. The population had shrunk significantly. *shrug* Couple that with the widespread devastation and naturally, there were more jobs -- the world had to be put back together. Now, the 50s were considered simpler times by the 80s, the difference being chalk and cheese. Now the 80s are being looked upon with the same "quaint" nostalgic fondness. Just imagine... We've gone from being amazed at a computer the size of a building, to the size of your desk, your lap and now finally, we are amazed that we can lose our computer. A lot of science fiction, isn't fiction anymore, it's real. Here. Now. And has the same problems that were dreamt about in their fantasy worlds. I cannot imagine the kind of issues that parents are being faced with now in such a closely global world today. People are more keenly aware than ever of how human beings, despite being communal animals, aren't really social (or is it the other way around?). And that's beginning to bleed into things like the workplace where (here, at least) you can have a severe staffing shortage in teachers... but no vacancies. That you can have a famine of scientific research, but have butchered funding so significantly that the few scientists left can't actually do their jobs. One of the biggest problems is systemic and another is fiscal. Tearing down the system is like punching an avalanche, the problem made all the worse if you're young, have no social currency and have been told repeatedly that you're doomed in this world. It's one of the amazing paradoxes of modern culture. There are those who are so intent on telling others that there is no hope who still end up shocked when these people (believing they're doomed) surrender and retreat into things like crime. There is always a chance. Always. That's not fantasy, that's a realistic view. But people must, must, must be aware and willing to not only acknowledge, but help others in overcoming these social and psychological hurdles. We cannot continue living in a world where dyslexia is dismissed as "laziness", that posttraumatic stress disorder is cast aside as "unsociability", that isolation is just "a thing of that age", that we pretend suicide attempts don't exist because we're embarassed. Before anything else, there needs to be an acknowledgement of human frailty. All the harder with adolescents because adolescents are not adults. We cannot treat their problems in the same way as we do ours, it requires a different mindset. And that's... *sigh* difficult. Always and forever, it is difficult. Particularly if it's your own kids who are falling apart. But I genuinely and thoroughly believe that it is worth investing the time. However difficult -- and it is, by god, it is -- because these are still people. Every human being has a right to hope and be happy. And happiness is an attainable goal. Irrespective of anything like class, culture, race, species, genotype, whether your solar system is binary or singular... Happiness is real, not a fantasy. (Okay, I'm done. Diatribe over. Happiness and understanding good, nonunderstanding bad. Wolfie write words on pelt, send to many caves; hope good come from it.)
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