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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 6:13:01 GMT
It seems that Amy and Rory lived relatively uneventful lives, more like ordinary, albeit with foreknowledge of upcoming events in the 20th century. The photo montage at the end of the Imaginary Enemies comic strip (which was a farewell to Amy and Rory) shows they didn't get involved in alien hunting or anything, and raised the child they adopted. An alien-free slice of life story is certainly a novelty in Doctor Who, but a whole series around that premise isn't something I can see bring in loads of sales. Even if they weren't aware of the alien influences, just how long they could be kept in the dark would wear thin, like how River meeting the classic Doctors could be perceived. Just how many times can the Doctor be made to forget her? The story of Amy and Rory Pond wrapped up pretty conclusively with Angels Take Manhattan, and had a lovely coda in P.S. (it's a travesty it was never actually filmed). Amelia and Rory Williams have earned a quiet life in 20th century America. Eh, from memory, Imaginary Enemies didn't really specify the exact details of their life post- Manhatten, just a general summary that they lived happy lives, so there's plenty of room for further alien encounters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 7:53:42 GMT
I think if Karen is ever going to work for BF is a big, *big* if. She'd probably be the hardest to get of all the new series regulars (even Eccleston!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 14:45:30 GMT
Amy was always the weak link in Matt's Doctor Who tenure for me, and my recent watching of the otherwise excellent The Impossible Astronaut does nothing to change my mind. 'Endearing' nicknames of 'moron' and 'stupid face' to her dear husband, and that comedy seduction of the Doctor on what was technically the eve of her wedding, together with an unquenchable smugness, did absolutely nothing to endear her to me ("Oi! Churchill," in Victory of the Daleks indeed). I don't think even BF writers could redeem her for me (which is strange, because Karen always seems delightful in interviews). So no thanks!
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 16, 2018 15:27:19 GMT
Amy was always the weak link in Matt's Doctor Who tenure for me, and my recent watching of the otherwise excellent The Impossible Astronaut does nothing to change my mind. 'Endearing' nicknames of 'moron' and 'stupid face' to her dear husband, and that comedy seduction of the Doctor on what was technically the eve of her wedding, together with an unquenchable smugness, did absolutely nothing to endear her to me ("Oi! Churchill," in Victory of the Daleks indeed). I don't think even BF writers could redeem her for me (which is strange, because Karen always seems delightful in interviews). So no thanks! She's a very troubled young woman, who's had to deal with mental illness for half her life when the Doctor finally returns for her, so she's never properly grown up and doesn't really know how to cope with the world around her, especially other people (Rory), so she has all kinds of defense mechanisms built into her way of socialising, and her travels with the Doctor (Beast Below to Time of Angels, particularly) make her believe she can go back to her fantasy, that that was real after all and the real life she'd been struggling with was just an illusion "for the time being". Her whole character arc and particularly S7a is all about her growing up and accepting that real life is not an illusion that she can hide from, and that "life with the Doctor" is not going to be there forever. She isn't by any means anywhere near my favourite companion, but once you understand the character, you can appreciate her journey more and kinda understand where her actions come from, even if they're still not excusable, rather than her just being an insufferable brat (like Rose, for example ).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:53:02 GMT
I love Amy-am Scottish don’t slag off our women 😝 she had me when she said. Did you just shush me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:13:46 GMT
Amy was always the weak link in Matt's Doctor Who tenure for me, and my recent watching of the otherwise excellent The Impossible Astronaut does nothing to change my mind. 'Endearing' nicknames of 'moron' and 'stupid face' to her dear husband, and that comedy seduction of the Doctor on what was technically the eve of her wedding, together with an unquenchable smugness, did absolutely nothing to endear her to me ("Oi! Churchill," in Victory of the Daleks indeed). I don't think even BF writers could redeem her for me (which is strange, because Karen always seems delightful in interviews). So no thanks! She's a very troubled young woman, who's had to deal with mental illness for half her life when the Doctor finally returns for her, so she's never properly grown up and doesn't really know how to cope with the world around her, especially other people (Rory), so she has all kinds of defense mechanisms built into her way of socialising, and her travels with the Doctor (Beast Below to Time of Angels, particularly) make her believe she can go back to her fantasy, that that was real after all and the real life she'd been struggling with was just an illusion "for the time being". Her whole character arc and particularly S7a is all about her growing up and accepting that real life is not an illusion that she can hide from, and that "life with the Doctor" is not going to be there forever. She isn't by any means anywhere near my favourite companion, but once you understand the character, you can appreciate her journey more and kinda understand where her actions come from, even if they're still not excusable, rather than her just being an insufferable brat (like Rose, for example ). Appreciated, but I can't think of one single companion apart from Amy who the viewer was required to make excuses for her behaviour in so many stories. The Impossible Astronaut was a whole series after her debut, and in dramatic terms, that's a long time for her to get away with treating people (especially Rory) the way she did. I didn't really warm to her until it was time for her to go. Still, you can't like everyone. I think if we were required to sympathise with her supposed vulnerability, we should have been given a few more reasons to do so. Just my opinion of course
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Post by Ela on Aug 16, 2018 19:06:27 GMT
I didn’t ever get the impression that Amy was actually mentally ill or intended to be thought of as mentally ill.
She just wasn’t believed because her story was too fantastic to be believable to the adults in her life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:27:48 GMT
I didn’t ever get the impression that Amy was actually mentally ill or intended to be thought of as mentally ill. She just wasn’t believed because her story was too fantastic to be believable to the adults in her life. Out of all the NU Who companions Amy is by far my favourite even out of all the past Classic Doctors companions she is one of my favourites...and if the Scottish lassie were to meet Jodie (as the Doctor)in character she would be in broad Scots accent saying WTF.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:31:04 GMT
I didn’t ever get the impression that Amy was actually mentally ill or intended to be thought of as mentally ill. She just wasn’t believed because her story was too fantastic to be believable to the adults in her life. Out of all the NU Who companions Amy is by far my favourite even out of all the past Classic Doctors companions she is one of my favourites...and if the Scottish lassie were to meet Jodie (as the Doctor)in character she would be in broad Scots accent saying WTF. And that's the beauty of Doctor Who! Everyone is someone's favourite (personally Romana 2 gets my vote every single time, but then I always did like tweed).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:34:12 GMT
Out of all the NU Who companions Amy is by far my favourite even out of all the past Classic Doctors companions she is one of my favourites...and if the Scottish lassie were to meet Jodie (as the Doctor)in character she would be in broad Scots accent saying WTF. And that's the beauty of Doctor Who! Everyone is someone's favourite (personally Romana 2 gets my vote every single time, but then I always did like tweed). And when Romana 2 is a bloke will you still like tweed?😘
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:38:26 GMT
And that's the beauty of Doctor Who! Everyone is someone's favourite (personally Romana 2 gets my vote every single time, but then I always did like tweed). And when Romana 2 is a bloke will you still like tweed?😘 There'll only be 1 Romana 2!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:08:56 GMT
I think the problem with amy isn’t necessarily her character, but how the show presents her. The show doesn’t address her character flaws and tells the audience we should like her cos shes the doctors companion. Clara on the other hand, who gets far more hate than amy, has her flaws adressed (such as in flatline, “goodness had nothing to do with it) and its ultimately these flaws that get her killed. Whilst the show still portrays her in a positive light most of the time as she is the doctors companion and audience surrogate, it doesnt shy from her downfalls - her lying, her controling nature, her recklessness. Amy lies, cheats, and shows a lack of respect to both the doctor and rory yet the show never acknowledges these problems and makes the character seem less real because of it.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2018 21:25:37 GMT
I think the problem with amy isn’t necessarily her character, but how the show presents her. The show doesn’t address her character flaws and tells the audience we should like her cos shes the doctors companion. Clara on the other hand, who gets far more hate than amy, has her flaws adressed (such as in flatline, “goodness had nothing to do with it) and its ultimately these flaws that get her killed. Whilst the show still portrays her in a positive light most of the time as she is the doctors companion and audience surrogate, it doesnt shy from her downfalls - her lying, her controling nature, her recklessness. Amy lies, cheats, and shows a lack of respect to both the doctor and rory yet the show never acknowledges these problems and makes the character seem less real because of it. Completely agree
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 18:15:31 GMT
And when Romana 2 is a bloke will you still like tweed?😘 There'll only be 1 Romana 2! Hello am Romanvoratrelundar 4
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