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Post by masterdoctor on Jun 17, 2018 3:55:00 GMT
Hi guys. I don't really know how to say this, but I am feeling an absence of meaningful moderation and even to that, many moderators don't seem to be here very often or at all lately. This is quite worrying as I don't want to see this forum go wayward, yet many situations seem to be handled inefficiently or not at all(which yes I know that not everyone is privy to these situations, but there seems to be a lack of even basic communication with these sometimes). Examples of such is the situation with posting Big Finish updates in which it is always a battle to post links, people posting the same thing in multiple areas to inflate post count when they have been told that they should not be, Threads being created for a release that gets two or three posts as the thread has come out of nowhere and should just be a discussion in the listening to today thread, or even having posters that have gone into a thread for an announced release created by someone else and posting the same information, just in their preferred "format". I thought that the should be a discussion that everyone should be apart of whether or not they agree so hence the thread as well as the poll so that we could potentially see a bit of numerical data.
P.S. I really miss having the changelog being used consistently.
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Post by muckypup on Jun 17, 2018 8:54:07 GMT
Certainly over the gender politics issue, mods were not unbiased, and certainly let hurtful and derogatory post go unchecked and also participated in them.
But on the whole they do a great job.........and am still grateful for setting up and maintaining this place. So how ever active or inactive there still awesome.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 17, 2018 10:41:15 GMT
So your not talking Moderation as such your talking about the fact that the same select Members (myself included) Post Updates and start threads. Look if I see something I post it, if its been posted already I get rid of it in most cases. Now Releases discussion thread in general. on the old Forum I set a lot of them up, but people on here seem to prefer Omega's Product Page Copy 1st Post method (which I can't do)
General mood on the Forum seems OK to me, though a couple of Threads yesterday got a bit de-railed.
Muckypup Quote: on the whole they do a great job.........and am still grateful for setting up and maintaining this place. So how ever active or inactive there still awesome.
Agreed
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Post by omega on Jun 17, 2018 11:44:33 GMT
How about for release threads also putting the updates in the first post under the release information, with dates on each update? That way it's all on the same post and the first post in the thread, meaning no need to scroll through potentially several pages looking for the one saying the cover or trailer is up.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 17, 2018 11:52:24 GMT
How about for release threads also putting the updates in the first post under the release information, with dates on each update? That way it's all on the same post and the first post in the thread, meaning no need to scroll through potentially several pages looking for the one saying the cover or trailer is up. Meaning all Updates are solely down to the Original Poster (i.e. you)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 15:16:49 GMT
I feel things seem to pretty much moderate themselves here at www.notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net (aka The Divergent Universe). However I do agree that multiple threads on the same topic is particularly annoying & needs to stop. Also I feel people should stop cut & pasting text from Big Finish website. Just post a link!!!
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Post by Ela on Jun 17, 2018 15:33:20 GMT
Hi, masterdoctor. I'm not really sure from your post what you mean by meaningful moderation, but you seem to be annoyed by the battle over people trying to be "first" with updates. While this can get annoying and while we have asked people not to do it, it's something that's difficult to control. If you have a suggestion on how to fix it, please suggest. However, I don't think we want to crack down on people just for posting about being or not being first. It's not actually harmful and I, for one, wouldn't want to suspend or ban someone - or even warn them - for such a minor offense, unless they were also doing something that egregiously violated our forum rules. As far as number of moderators and moderators being present: We currently have nine moderators/admins, not including the master admin account, which is rarely used for posting. Of those moderators/admins, 5 have been on the forum within the last 24 hours, 2 were on the forum 2 days ago, one was on the forum 3 days ago, and one has taken a leave of absence for personal reasons. We moderators can't all be on the forum every single day - we are volunteers, after all, doing this in addition to our jobs and personal lives - but at least one or more of us is, and we are paying attention to what goes on in the forum, even if you don't always see the results in a way that is generally visible to all. Thread creation: Sometimes a thread is created and only gets one or two posts. That's the way forums go. Threads about releases that get created primarily as "placeholders" and have no discussion on them get deleted. They also get deleted if they are posted far in advance of the release, usually. At times, an upcoming release will get a lot of excitement from forum users and a lot of discussion develops; in that case the thread stays. I'm not sure what you mean by people going into a thread and posting something after other posts in their "preferred format". In some cases, you may be seeing the results of duplicate release threads being merged. I do think that all posters need to check for a pre-existing thread on a release they want to post about before starting a new thread, which is not always done. When it is brought to our attention or we see it ourselves, we will merge the posts into one thread. If you have a problem with a specific person or a specific post, please report it and know that we will read, discuss, and decide what action to take based on the report AND that you won't necessarily know what the results of that report were, as we keep those discussions among ourselves for the sake of everyone's privacy.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 17, 2018 15:58:07 GMT
Hi, masterdoctor . I'm not really sure from your post what you mean by meaningful moderation, but you seem to be annoyed by the battle over people trying to be "first" with updates. While this can get annoying and while we have asked people not to do it, it's something that's difficult to control. If you have a suggestion on how to fix it, please suggest. However, I don't think we want to crack down on people just for posting about being or not being first. It's not actually harmful and I, for one, wouldn't want to suspend or ban someone - or even warn them - for such a minor offense, unless they were also doing something that egregiously violated our forum rules. As far as number of moderators and moderators being present: We currently have nine moderators/admins, not including the master admin account, which is rarely used for posting. Of those moderators/admins, 5 have been on the forum within the last 24 hours, 2 were on the forum 2 days ago, one was on the forum 3 days ago, and one has taken a leave of absence for personal reasons. We moderators can't all be on the forum every single day - we are volunteers, after all, doing this in addition to our jobs and personal lives - but at least one or more of us is, and we are paying attention to what goes on in the forum, even if you don't always see the results in a way that is generally visible to all. Thread creation: Sometimes a thread is created and only gets one or two posts. That's the way forums go. Threads about releases that get created primarily as "placeholders" and have no discussion on them get deleted. They also get deleted if they are posted far in advance of the release, usually. At times, an upcoming release will get a lot of excitement from forum users and a lot of discussion develops; in that case the thread stays. I'm not sure what you mean by people going into a thread and posting something after other posts in their "preferred format". In some cases, you may be seeing the results of duplicate release threads being merged. I do think that all posters need to check for a pre-existing thread on a release they want to post about before starting a new thread, which is not always done. When it is brought to our attention or we see it ourselves, we will merge the posts into one thread. If you have a problem with a specific person or a specific post, please report it and know that we will read, discuss, and decide what action to take based on the report AND that you won't necessarily know what the results of that report were, as we keep those discussions among ourselves for the sake of everyone's privacy. Understood just one thing about Thread Creation
Why don't we say then that a product announcement thread becomes the Discussion with Spoilers Thread when its released that way saves merging duplicates and sloves the its too early issue and keeps the timing of Trailer/Cast info Updates relevant good idea?
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mark687
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Post by Ela on Jun 17, 2018 16:14:34 GMT
Why don't we say then that a product announcement thread becomes the Discussion with Spoilers Thread when its released that way saves merging duplicates and sloves the its too early issue and keeps the timing of Trailer/Cast info Updates relevant good idea?
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mark687
Not sure what you are suggesting here. The product announcement thread does usually become the discussion thread. The duplicates arise, for the most part, because a poster starts a discussion about a release without searching the relevant board to see if a previous thread already exists. The search function works pretty well, usually. If I'm checking a Big Finish Doctor Who release, I go that board and put in a keyword or two; if there's a duplicate it usually comes up. There were only a very few cases in which that didn't work.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 17, 2018 16:17:17 GMT
Why don't we say then that a product announcement thread becomes the Discussion with Spoilers Thread when its released that way saves merging duplicates and sloves the its too early issue and keeps the timing of Trailer/Cast info Updates relevant good idea?
Regards
mark687
Not sure what you are suggesting here. The product announcement thread does usually become the discussion thread. The duplicates arise, for the most part, because a poster starts a discussion about a release without searching the relevant board to see if a previous thread already exists. The search function works pretty well, usually. If I'm checking a Big Finish Doctor Who release, I go that board and put in a keyword or two; if there's a duplicate it usually comes up. There were only a very few cases in which that didn't work. Fair enough.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jun 17, 2018 16:20:31 GMT
Hi, masterdoctor . I'm not really sure from your post what you mean by meaningful moderation, but you seem to be annoyed by the battle over people trying to be "first" with updates. While this can get annoying and while we have asked people not to do it, it's something that's difficult to control. If you have a suggestion on how to fix it, please suggest. However, I don't think we want to crack down on people just for posting about being or not being first. It's not actually harmful and I, for one, wouldn't want to suspend or ban someone - or even warn them - for such a minor offense, unless they were also doing something that egregiously violated our forum rules. As far as number of moderators and moderators being present: We currently have nine moderators/admins, not including the master admin account, which is rarely used for posting. Of those moderators/admins, 5 have been on the forum within the last 24 hours, 2 were on the forum 2 days ago, one was on the forum 3 days ago, and one has taken a leave of absence for personal reasons. We moderators can't all be on the forum every single day - we are volunteers, after all, doing this in addition to our jobs and personal lives - but at least one or more of us is, and we are paying attention to what goes on in the forum, even if you don't always see the results in a way that is generally visible to all. Thread creation: Sometimes a thread is created and only gets one or two posts. That's the way forums go. Threads about releases that get created primarily as "placeholders" and have no discussion on them get deleted. They also get deleted if they are posted far in advance of the release, usually. At times, an upcoming release will get a lot of excitement from forum users and a lot of discussion develops; in that case the thread stays. I'm not sure what you mean by people going into a thread and posting something after other posts in their "preferred format". In some cases, you may be seeing the results of duplicate release threads being merged. I do think that all posters need to check for a pre-existing thread on a release they want to post about before starting a new thread, which is not always done. When it is brought to our attention or we see it ourselves, we will merge the posts into one thread. If you have a problem with a specific person or a specific post, please report it and know that we will read, discuss, and decide what action to take based on the report AND that you won't necessarily know what the results of that report were, as we keep those discussions among ourselves for the sake of everyone's privacy. Thanks for taking the time to answer me Ela, and I first want to apologize. I reread my post and realized it was unfairly taking my issue with the mods when you guys have been doing a lot, and I seem to have come to some rash conclusions. I do want to clarify a couple of things I said that were not ver clear. When I said that I was annoyed by thread creation, I was specifically referring to product threads for releases that are apart of someone's random listening and could easily be put into the what are you listening to thread as such is the case of the thread set up for The Liberator Chronicles Vol 5. Secondly I do think it would beneficial to establish a specific window that threads should be set up unless they are a special case. A good example of this would be the thread for The Darkened Earth which was originally meant to released in August and the thread was set up in January. Surely that is way to much. Maybe a one month period would be a good window?
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Post by Ela on Jun 17, 2018 16:20:53 GMT
Certainly over the gender politics issue, mods were not unbiased, and certainly let hurtful and derogatory post go unchecked and also participated in them. But on the whole they do a great job.........and am still grateful for setting up and maintaining this place. So how ever active or inactive there still awesome. Thanks for your comments. Glad you think we are doing a great job on the whole. Not sure what you are referring to regarding gender politics issues, though. If anything was reported, we acted on it or not, depending on whether it broke our rules. Also not sure which posts/mods you think were participating in hurtful/derogatory threads. I can't recall any specific reports on this, to be honest.
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Post by rran on Jun 17, 2018 16:37:25 GMT
While I do agree that the duplication of information can get annoying at times, there’s nothing really offensive with it. If I don’t want to read something, I can always skip it. There’s no compulsion to read each and everything. The mods are also people like us, taking time out of their personal lives, to do whatever they can for the forum, and I would like to appreciate them for that. I have reported an offensive post once in the past and I did see immediate action from the Mod team. Personally, I feel, expecting them to do anything more than what they are currently doing for us, is a bit unfair to them. Unless a post or a topic gets personal, I don’t feel the need for any more moderation.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 17, 2018 16:42:30 GMT
Hi, masterdoctor . I'm not really sure from your post what you mean by meaningful moderation, but you seem to be annoyed by the battle over people trying to be "first" with updates. While this can get annoying and while we have asked people not to do it, it's something that's difficult to control. If you have a suggestion on how to fix it, please suggest. However, I don't think we want to crack down on people just for posting about being or not being first. It's not actually harmful and I, for one, wouldn't want to suspend or ban someone - or even warn them - for such a minor offense, unless they were also doing something that egregiously violated our forum rules. As far as number of moderators and moderators being present: We currently have nine moderators/admins, not including the master admin account, which is rarely used for posting. Of those moderators/admins, 5 have been on the forum within the last 24 hours, 2 were on the forum 2 days ago, one was on the forum 3 days ago, and one has taken a leave of absence for personal reasons. We moderators can't all be on the forum every single day - we are volunteers, after all, doing this in addition to our jobs and personal lives - but at least one or more of us is, and we are paying attention to what goes on in the forum, even if you don't always see the results in a way that is generally visible to all. Thread creation: Sometimes a thread is created and only gets one or two posts. That's the way forums go. Threads about releases that get created primarily as "placeholders" and have no discussion on them get deleted. They also get deleted if they are posted far in advance of the release, usually. At times, an upcoming release will get a lot of excitement from forum users and a lot of discussion develops; in that case the thread stays. I'm not sure what you mean by people going into a thread and posting something after other posts in their "preferred format". In some cases, you may be seeing the results of duplicate release threads being merged. I do think that all posters need to check for a pre-existing thread on a release they want to post about before starting a new thread, which is not always done. When it is brought to our attention or we see it ourselves, we will merge the posts into one thread. If you have a problem with a specific person or a specific post, please report it and know that we will read, discuss, and decide what action to take based on the report AND that you won't necessarily know what the results of that report were, as we keep those discussions among ourselves for the sake of everyone's privacy. Thanks for taking the time to answer me Ela, and I first want to apologize. I reread my post and realized it was unfairly taking my issue with the mods when you guys have been doing a lot, and I seem to have come to some rash conclusions. I do want to clarify a couple of things I said that were not ver clear. When I said that I was annoyed by thread creation, I was specifically referring to product threads for releases that are apart of someone's random listening and could easily be put into the what are you listening to thread as such is the case of the thread set up for The Liberator Chronicles Vol 5. Secondly I do think it would beneficial to establish a specific window that threads should be set up unless they are a special case. A good example of this would be the thread for The Darkened Earth which was originally meant to released in August and the thread was set up in January. Surely that is way to much. Maybe a one month period would be a good window? I get this and I mean no offence, its discussion Forums on all BF stuff but you don't have to read what doesn't interest you yet, but it might interest someone else at that point in time.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jun 17, 2018 16:54:24 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to answer me Ela, and I first want to apologize. I reread my post and realized it was unfairly taking my issue with the mods when you guys have been doing a lot, and I seem to have come to some rash conclusions. I do want to clarify a couple of things I said that were not ver clear. When I said that I was annoyed by thread creation, I was specifically referring to product threads for releases that are apart of someone's random listening and could easily be put into the what are you listening to thread as such is the case of the thread set up for The Liberator Chronicles Vol 5. Secondly I do think it would beneficial to establish a specific window that threads should be set up unless they are a special case. A good example of this would be the thread for The Darkened Earth which was originally meant to released in August and the thread was set up in January. Surely that is way to much. Maybe a one month period would be a good window? I get this and I mean no offence, its discussion Forums on all BF stuff but you don't have to read what doesn't interest you yet, but it might interest someone else at that point in time.
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mark687
Oh of course, I totally understand that, and I am usually interested in all discussions, Its just they way they are posted that I am annoyed at. I also will admit that I have been kicking up a fuss bigger than it needed to be, so I send apologies to everyone.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jun 17, 2018 16:56:58 GMT
While I do agree that the duplication of information can get annoying at times, there’s nothing really offensive with it. If I don’t want to read something, I can always skip it. There’s no compulsion to read each and everything. The mods are also people like us, taking time out of their personal lives, to do whatever they can for the forum, and I would like to appreciate them for that. I have reported an offensive post once in the past and I did see immediate action from the Mod team. Personally, I feel, expecting them to do anything more than what they are currently doing for us, is a bit unfair to them. Unless a post or a topic gets personal, I don’t feel the need for any more moderation. Very well said, and as I said to Mark, I have definitely gone a bit overboard with my reaction, and again sorry to everyone, especially the Mods. Honestly, there have been times I have reported posts and they always are dealt with in a reasonable time frame. I was just getting worked up(a lot of life going on at the moment, however that does not excuse it.) Again, sorry everyone.
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Post by Ela on Jun 17, 2018 17:02:09 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to answer me Ela, and I first want to apologize. I reread my post and realized it was unfairly taking my issue with the mods when you guys have been doing a lot, and I seem to have come to some rash conclusions. I do want to clarify a couple of things I said that were not ver clear. When I said that I was annoyed by thread creation, I was specifically referring to product threads for releases that are apart of someone's random listening and could easily be put into the what are you listening to thread as such is the case of the thread set up for The Liberator Chronicles Vol 5. Thanks for your remarks. Everyone is free to express an opinion here. Speaking for myself, no offense was taken, but I did feel an explanation was in order to respond to what you said.
I also want to make it clear that I was speaking from my own point of view as one of the mods who is most active here. I'm pretty much on the forum daily, unless I have something going on in my life that prevents me from visiting. When that happens, I let the other mods know I won't be available (and they do the same when they know they won't be available for any reason).
In general: If someone wants to set up a thread on a specific release from the past with an eye toward starting a discussion on that release, I think it's okay to do that. If it turns out to be a placeholder only and no discussion develops, it may be removed (and such threads have been removed in the past). It's hard to have a discussion on a specific release in the "What are you listening to today" thread, as it moves along quickly. If someone hasn't listened to a release that's mentioned there, they may not come back to the "What are you listening to today thread and search through pages and pages of release mentions to find a comment someone made weeks or days ago. So I don't have a problem with that in general, and I think it's safe to say other mods don't either (though they, of course, can speak for themselves if they wish to. )
Usually threads that are set up way in advance are deleted. Those threads are the definition of "placeholder threads", and specifically prohibited in our rules.
If, as I said above, a great deal of discussion and excitement is generated about a thread on a specific upcoming release, even way in advance, then the thread stays on the forum.
The Darkened Earth should have been deleted for having been set up so far in advance, but it was apparently missed by the moderators. We try, but we don't always catch everything. Now that it is coming out in July, it is within the one month range you suggested and will not be deleted. But I do think one month in advance of the release is a reasonable guideline.
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Post by rran on Jun 17, 2018 17:03:56 GMT
While I do agree that the duplication of information can get annoying at times, there’s nothing really offensive with it. If I don’t want to read something, I can always skip it. There’s no compulsion to read each and everything. The mods are also people like us, taking time out of their personal lives, to do whatever they can for the forum, and I would like to appreciate them for that. I have reported an offensive post once in the past and I did see immediate action from the Mod team. Personally, I feel, expecting them to do anything more than what they are currently doing for us, is a bit unfair to them. Unless a post or a topic gets personal, I don’t feel the need for any more moderation. Very well said, and as I said to Mark, I have definitely gone a bit overboard with my reaction, and again sorry to everyone, especially the Mods. Honestly, there have been times I have reported posts and they always are dealt with in a reasonable time frame. I was just getting worked up(a lot of life going on at the moment, however that does not excuse it.) Again, sorry everyone. Well, we all have our off days You have a valid point about duplicate posts but mark687 has a point too. What doesn’t interest me may be valuable information to someone else. Let’s take things in that spirit
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Post by pawntake on Jun 17, 2018 18:51:19 GMT
Come back "kimalysong" Come back and restore order!!!
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Post by Ela on Jun 17, 2018 18:58:17 GMT
How about for release threads also putting the updates in the first post under the release information, with dates on each update? That way it's all on the same post and the first post in the thread, meaning no need to scroll through potentially several pages looking for the one saying the cover or trailer is up. Meaning all Updates are solely down to the Original Poster (i.e. you)
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mark687
I don't think, Mark and omega , that all the updates need to be in the initial post of a thread. It's fine for a variety of posters to post updates in a release thread as the updates become available. In fact, it's preferable, as it gives others a chance to post that information. Nor do all the release threads need to be started by one person. It would be nice to see more of a variety of forum members having the opportunity to start a new release thread. Just saying.
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