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Post by omega on Jul 15, 2018 10:26:34 GMT
DOCTOR WHO - MAIN RANGE » 122. THE ANGEL OF SCUTARIReleased June 2009SynopsisOctober 1854: As the British Army charges into catastrophe in the Crimea, the Minister for War sends Miss Florence Nightingale to take charge of the field hospital at Scutari. But there's already an angel of mercy working with the wounded at Scutari. A first-rate fellow who's turned up out of the blue. Goes by the name of Schofield; Thomas Hector Schofield... With the Doctor and Ace lost in the siege of Sebastopol, Hex has rediscovered his calling. But there's cannon to the left of him, cannon to the right of him - and a deranged spycatcher-in-chief on his case. Written By: Paul Sutton Directed By: Ken Bentley CASTSylvester McCoy (The Doctor), Sophie Aldred (Ace), Philip Olivier (Hex), Hugh Bonneville (Sir Sidney Herbert/Tzar Nicholas I), Jeany Spark (Florence Nightingale), John Paul Connolly (William Russell/Russian DungeonGuard), Alex Lowe (Brigadier-General Bartholomew ‘Barty’ Kitchen), Sean Brosnan (Sir Hamilton Seymour), John Albasiny (Lev Tolstoy/Preston) _____________________________________________________________________ BONUS EPISODE! The Three Companions, Part 3: The GathernautOn a planet scheduled for cremation in 35 minutes, the Doctor, Polly, Ben and Jamie meet an unlikely ally.
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Post by omega on Jul 15, 2018 10:28:03 GMT
Week 6 of the Hex listen through notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/4463/oh-god-hex-listenIn terms of quality and variety, this is a fantastic trilogy. From surreal to straight up action to a reflective pure historical. What should be a break for Hex turns into his worst nightmare yet as his luck with historical warzones remains bad. He desperately just wants to help people to recover, but he's battling terrible hygiene conditions, the limited medical tools of the time and two men out to get him because of their beef with the Doctor, who has his own role in events that he needs to make sure play out. You've got to wonder if Hex is indeed hexxed (he's Big Finish's Prince of Sorrows). The weak link I think is Ace. For most of the story she's sidelined, in the care of the lovestruck historical guest star (unlike the headlining historical guest star, who the other companion is lovestruck with). Paul Sutton likes to get romances into his stories, and Leo Tolstoy in love with Ace ticks the box here. It's not bad or anything, but it's the only storyline Ace has any significance in beyond the beginning of the White TARDIS saga, which would take a few years to be developed and pay off. That cliffhanger. It wouldn't be resolved for fifteen months (this was released June 2009, Project: Destiny in 2010). This involves an interesting marketing thing I'll bring up next week. It also rams home that history isn't like a museum exhibit, and there are dangers beyond potentially changing it. Hex was bruised by Cromwell's march across Ireland, but those proved skin deep. He was conditioned in No Man's Land, but the mental damage healed. Barty Kitchen shot him with a musket ball, hardly a clean, accurate or merciful weapon (one way they complication damage is introducing foreign matter like fabric into the wound). It will be a long time before Hex is out of agony, physical and mental.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jul 16, 2018 6:41:17 GMT
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Post by bohnny on Jul 16, 2018 7:41:57 GMT
Rounds out what is one of the best trilogies BF have done in fine style. Possibly THE best? Certainly the one that really hooked me on BF
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Post by sherlock on Jul 17, 2018 23:26:21 GMT
Great historical. All the regulars get interesting plotlines and the playing with timeline works well. And what a cliffhanger.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 18, 2018 6:42:55 GMT
It was ok, I'm not to fond of the slower paced historical type stories but it concludes this trilogy well & delivers a cracking twist to set up the next story.
3/5.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 18, 2018 10:05:10 GMT
Hex back in History as a Nurse so its a strong one to start with.
Again the TARDIS Team trying to go with the flow rather than make sure events take their correct course.
Then we come to the cliff hanger
The TARDIS Medical Bay or Nanites are mentioned previously in this run are you seriously telling us they can't fix a lead ball bullet wound?
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Post by omega on Jul 18, 2018 10:55:34 GMT
Hex back in History as a Nurse so its a strong one to start with. Again the TARDIS Team trying to go with the flow rather than make sure events take their correct course. Then we come to the cliff hanger The TARDIS Medical Bay or Nanites are mentioned in previously in this run are you seriously telling us they can't fix a lead ball bullet wound? Regards mark687 Musket balls introduce foreign matter like cloth into the entry wound, and very hard to aim properly precisely because a musket ball isn't as streamlined as a modern bullet. Nanites may not have realised cloth isn't mean to be in there (unless Hex spent his last hour in Scutari shirtless). Also, Hex did ask for St Garts in his own time, not a poncy space hospital, and he's in no state to argue nor would arguing help his condition. Easier to take the TARDIS to St Garts and take things from there. Not to mention the TARDIS has undergone something of a change, and with the Doctor and Ace not thinking rationally, someone else doing the treatment is preferable.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 18, 2018 11:08:26 GMT
Hex back in History as a Nurse so its a strong one to start with. Again the TARDIS Team trying to go with the flow rather than make sure events take their correct course. Then we come to the cliff hanger The TARDIS Medical Bay or Nanites are mentioned in previously in this run are you seriously telling us they can't fix a lead ball bullet wound? Regards mark687 Musket balls introduce foreign matter like cloth into the entry wound, and very hard to aim properly precisely because a musket ball isn't as streamlined as a modern bullet. Nanites may not have realised cloth isn't mean to be in there (unless Hex spent his last hour in Scutari shirtless). Also, Hex did ask for St Garts in his own time, not a poncy space hospital, and he's in no state to argue nor would arguing help his condition. Easier to take the TARDIS to St Garts and take things from there. Not to mention the TARDIS has undergone something of a change, and with the Doctor and Ace not thinking rationally, someone else doing the treatment is preferable. Well if your going to use reason
That makes Gallyfian Nanites just as dumb as Human ones then.
Sorry its a shock cliff-hanger with no proper thinking.
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Post by omega on Jul 18, 2018 11:30:14 GMT
Musket balls introduce foreign matter like cloth into the entry wound, and very hard to aim properly precisely because a musket ball isn't as streamlined as a modern bullet. Nanites may not have realised cloth isn't mean to be in there (unless Hex spent his last hour in Scutari shirtless). Also, Hex did ask for St Garts in his own time, not a poncy space hospital, and he's in no state to argue nor would arguing help his condition. Easier to take the TARDIS to St Garts and take things from there. Not to mention the TARDIS has undergone something of a change, and with the Doctor and Ace not thinking rationally, someone else doing the treatment is preferable. Well if your going to use reason
That makes Gallyfian Nanites just as dumb as Human ones then.
Sorry its a shock cliff-hanger with no proper thinking.
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mark687
The only time I can remember medicine or medical tools in the TARDIS in a Hex story are the bruise cream and the foreceps in The Settling and the laser scalpel in this story. Bruise cream won't help a musket ball, Hex isn't pregnant and the laser scalpel would make things worse.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 18, 2018 11:36:36 GMT
Well if your going to use reason
That makes Gallyfian Nanites just as dumb as Human ones then.
Sorry its a shock cliff-hanger with no proper thinking.
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mark687
The only time I can remember medicine or medical tools in the TARDIS in a Hex story are the bruise cream and the foreceps in The Settling and the laser scalpel in this story. Bruise cream won't help a musket ball, Hex isn't pregnant and the laser scalpel would make things worse. Ok then at least we can agree that its dramatic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 23:04:52 GMT
The only time I can remember medicine or medical tools in the TARDIS in a Hex story are the bruise cream and the foreceps in The Settling and the laser scalpel in this story. Bruise cream won't help a musket ball, Hex isn't pregnant and the laser scalpel would make things worse. Ok then at least we can agree that its dramatic.
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The TARDIS's personnel defences have always been a bit shoddy, to be honest, even in her early days. If it hadn't been for Brett Vyon, Steven would have been dead from blood poisoning not long after the start of The Daleks' Master Plan. I have a very nasty suspicion that a lot of their medical supplies -- the ones needed for the humans, at least -- end up being used in situations just like this and they run out (maybe they haven't restocked since LIVE 34?). Come to think of it, if the radiation counter had been working properly way back in The Daleks, they could have avoided a lot of strife to begin with... The TARDIS seems always in desperate need of a service.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 18, 2018 23:12:20 GMT
Ok then at least we can agree that its dramatic.
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mark687
The TARDIS's personnel defences have always been a bit shoddy, to be honest, even in her early days. If it hadn't been for Brett Vyon, Steven would have been dead from blood poisoning not long after the start of The Daleks' Master Plan. I have a very nasty suspicion that a lot of their medical supplies -- the ones needed for the humans, at least -- end up being used in situations just like this and they run out (maybe they haven't restocked since LIVE 34?). Come to think of it, if the radiation counter had been working properly way back in The Daleks, they could have avoided a lot of strife to begin with... The TARDIS seems always in desperate need of a service.
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Post by omega on Jul 18, 2018 23:22:32 GMT
Ok then at least we can agree that its dramatic.
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mark687
The TARDIS's personnel defences have always been a bit shoddy, to be honest, even in her early days. If it hadn't been for Brett Vyon, Steven would have been dead from blood poisoning not long after the start of The Daleks' Master Plan. I have a very nasty suspicion that a lot of their medical supplies -- the ones needed for the humans, at least -- end up being used in situations just like this and they run out (maybe they haven't restocked since LIVE 34?). Come to think of it, if the radiation counter had been working properly way back in The Daleks, they could have avoided a lot of strife to begin with... The TARDIS seems always in desperate need of a service. Don't forget the State of Grace, which only worked for one episode and couldn't stop Cyberguns. Strangely enough it turned back on for Rat Trap, where medical tools could be used on non-lethal settings but tripped the State of Grace on the lethal setting. It's well and truly gone by the Sixth Doctor era, where the Doctor uses a sonic lance, which had offensive capability.
Patient Zero does establish that TARDIS occupants are given immunity to most viruses, since Charley, during her travels with the Sixth Doctor (the TARDIS withheld the protection from her because to the TARDIS she felt wrong), was the first person to become infected by someone who had stowed away in The Chase and been on board ever since (invisible, inaudible and intangible, so Charley was the first person to learn that person was ever there). While the Swarm did infect the Doctor, that was a particular nasty and sentient virus that infected the Doctor at the time the TARDIS encountered it. Nyssa's infection by Lazar's Disease in Terminus came in after she left the TARDIS, and she didn't return until after she'd been cured.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 18, 2018 23:49:35 GMT
Musket balls introduce foreign matter like cloth into the entry wound, and very hard to aim properly precisely because a musket ball isn't as streamlined as a modern bullet. Nanites may not have realised cloth isn't mean to be in there (unless Hex spent his last hour in Scutari shirtless). Also, Hex did ask for St Garts in his own time, not a poncy space hospital, and he's in no state to argue nor would arguing help his condition. Easier to take the TARDIS to St Garts and take things from there. Not to mention the TARDIS has undergone something of a change, and with the Doctor and Ace not thinking rationally, someone else doing the treatment is preferable. Well if your going to use reason
That makes Gallyfian Nanites just as dumb as Human ones then.
Sorry its a shock cliff-hanger with no proper thinking.
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mark687
I think the nanites were first mentioned in The Shadow of the Scourge, which depending on your view on timeline might actually be after this cliffhanger. Maybe this incident spurs the Doctor into getting them working, since the TARDIS has always been a bit rundown anyway it's not unlikely they're just broken or deactivated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 0:44:41 GMT
The TARDIS's personnel defences have always been a bit shoddy, to be honest, even in her early days. If it hadn't been for Brett Vyon, Steven would have been dead from blood poisoning not long after the start of The Daleks' Master Plan. I have a very nasty suspicion that a lot of their medical supplies -- the ones needed for the humans, at least -- end up being used in situations just like this and they run out (maybe they haven't restocked since LIVE 34?). Come to think of it, if the radiation counter had been working properly way back in The Daleks, they could have avoided a lot of strife to begin with... The TARDIS seems always in desperate need of a service.
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Thanks. From the pen of Wolfie (a pen that can be visited at feeding times during the hours of 12 and 4 on a weekday). The TARDIS's personnel defences have always been a bit shoddy, to be honest, even in her early days. If it hadn't been for Brett Vyon, Steven would have been dead from blood poisoning not long after the start of The Daleks' Master Plan. I have a very nasty suspicion that a lot of their medical supplies -- the ones needed for the humans, at least -- end up being used in situations just like this and they run out (maybe they haven't restocked since LIVE 34?). Come to think of it, if the radiation counter had been working properly way back in The Daleks, they could have avoided a lot of strife to begin with... The TARDIS seems always in desperate need of a service. Don't forget the State of Grace, which only worked for one episode and couldn't stop Cyberguns. Strangely enough it turned back on for Rat Trap, where medical tools could be used on non-lethal settings but tripped the State of Grace on the lethal setting. It's well and truly gone by the Sixth Doctor era, where the Doctor uses a sonic lance, which had offensive capability.
Patient Zero does establish that TARDIS occupants are given immunity to most viruses, since Charley, during her travels with the Sixth Doctor (the TARDIS withheld the protection from her because to the TARDIS she felt wrong), was the first person to become infected by someone who had stowed away in The Chase and been on board ever since (invisible, inaudible and intangible, so Charley was the first person to learn that person was ever there). While the Swarm did infect the Doctor, that was a particular nasty and sentient virus that infected the Doctor at the time the TARDIS encountered it. Nyssa's infection by Lazar's Disease in Terminus came in after she left the TARDIS, and she didn't return until after she'd been cured.
Gets even better with the comics. Apparently, during the Sixth Doctor's tenure (closely prior to Trial), the State of Grace only typically functions while the TARDIS is in flight. Whether or not that's true is open to the individual story. Like the isomorphic locks. Maybe the TARDIS nanites are like being immunised? Everything in the database is covered... as documented on Gallifrey at her departure way back when. Her viral protection systems are hopelessly out-of-date. That and the Viyran viruses were always a bit of an exception anyway, more like hyper-plagues than the common cold. If not, well, it could be like how the TARDIS is virtually indestructible. You know, in much the same way as a meteor strike doesn't destroy the Earth. The planet itself is fine, but everything on it is gonna have a very rough time. Could also be the product of restrictive programming too. In an emergency, the medical nanites may exist to stabilise Gallifreyans for regeneration, so when the TARDIS detects a human (roughly the same biology, the "deformities" could be inflicted damage), she prepares them in much the same way -- comatose, virtually brain dead -- as her protocols dictate.
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Jul 19, 2018 11:27:29 GMT
This is one of my Hex stories which I still need to listen to so
See you guys in 2 hours time
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Jul 19, 2018 13:29:13 GMT
This is one of my Hex stories which I still need to listen to so See you guys in 2 hours time Ok so while I’ve heard of Florence Nightingale and the charge of the lightbrigade I don’t know as much as I probably should so I’m sure a lot of the characters in this would have had a deeper meaning if I knew. And having listened to later stuff I know Hex does get seriously shot But oh boy we started off with a big mystery haven’t see jumping time lines and all that but then of course it’s 7... A chopped up Tardis now wow that’s definitely a mystery. If I had worked with someone for a month during a war especially that type of war I don’t think I’d care if they had friends who might be a traitors especially if they hadn’t left my side in that time. But typical Hex dropping himself in it like that Oh damn the WHITE TARDIS !!!! Very enjoyable if a little muddled and definitely not the story you thing it is going in Know I do feel it’s a lot like No Mans Land
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Jul 19, 2018 13:32:20 GMT
Week 6 of the Hex listen through notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/4463/oh-god-hex-listenIn terms of quality and variety, this is a fantastic trilogy. From surreal to straight up action to a reflective pure historical. What should be a break for Hex turns into his worst nightmare yet as his luck with historical warzones remains bad. He desperately just wants to help people to recover, but he's battling terrible hygiene conditions, the limited medical tools of the time and two men out to get him because of their beef with the Doctor, who has his own role in events that he needs to make sure play out. You've got to wonder if Hex is indeed hexxed (he's Big Finish's Prince of Sorrows). The weak link I think is Ace. For most of the story she's sidelined, in the care of the lovestruck historical guest star (unlike the headlining historical guest star, who the other companion is lovestruck with). Paul Sutton likes to get romances into his stories, and Leo Tolstoy in love with Ace ticks the box here. It's not bad or anything, but it's the only storyline Ace has any significance in beyond the beginning of the White TARDIS saga, which would take a few years to be developed and pay off. That cliffhanger. It wouldn't be resolved for fifteen months (this was released June 2009, Project: Destiny in 2010). This involves an interesting marketing thing I'll bring up next week. It also rams home that history isn't like a museum exhibit, and there are dangers beyond potentially changing it. Hex was bruised by Cromwell's march across Ireland, but those proved skin deep. He was conditioned in No Man's Land, but the mental damage healed. Barty Kitchen shot him with a musket ball, hardly a clean, accurate or merciful weapon (one way they complication damage is introducing foreign matter like fabric into the wound). It will be a long time before Hex is out of agony, physical and mental. Before Big Finish “Ace is probably the companion who got it the worse” After Big Finish “Hex like... you’re in a massive abusive relationship please leave ASAP”
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Post by Ela on Jul 24, 2018 7:15:19 GMT
I haven't relistened to this story. I did enjoy it at the time I listened to it. I thought the story was well-constructed and I enjoy a good historical.
I guess I have very mixed feelings about it, though, in retrospect, because of what is leading up to in Hex's story arc.
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