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Post by The Matt on Jul 24, 2018 4:56:16 GMT
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 24, 2018 11:26:48 GMT
I think these are something worth considering James Gunn is fired from Disney for inappropriate jokes he made 10 years ago because they do not keep in line with their family friendly image and yet they are notorious for portraying racism and white supremacy, two things that are much worse. I'm more and more thinking that this was the wrong decision. I never noticed the Aladdin thing before
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Post by Digi on Jul 25, 2018 14:20:38 GMT
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 25, 2018 17:31:39 GMT
I'm a bit uncomfortable about where this thread is going. Fantasia and Song of the South include things that are inappropriate now, but were (wrongly) not considered unacceptable when created, and I have a suspicion that those pictures from Aladdin are inside and outside scenes respectively taken out of contenxt. However, the kind of thing that Gunn was tweeting were not appropriate or acceptable when he posted them; most of the ones I saw quoted didn't even have the structure of jokes.
Whether he ought to have been sacked is another matter (and he seems to have conceded that they had a point, which is to his credit), of course.
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Post by ollychops on Jul 25, 2018 17:39:33 GMT
I think these are something worth considering James Gunn is fired from Disney for inappropriate jokes he made 10 years ago because they do not keep in line with their family friendly image and yet they are notorious for portraying racism and white supremacy, two things that are much worse. I'm more and more thinking that this was the wrong decision. That second Aladdin picture from the "end of the movie" isn't actually from the movie - there was a post floating around debunking that picture because it's actually fanart. But, yes, the point still stands. Disney is happy to ignore the inappropriate things in its' past, but condemning Gunn for what he said in the past? I don't condone the "jokes" from Gunn, but they were from a while ago, and he apologised for them before the first Guardians film came out, so it's not as if Disney didn't already know.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jul 25, 2018 17:55:47 GMT
I think these are something worth considering James Gunn is fired from Disney for inappropriate jokes he made 10 years ago because they do not keep in line with their family friendly image and yet they are notorious for portraying racism and white supremacy, two things that are much worse. I'm more and more thinking that this was the wrong decision. That second Aladdin picture from the "end of the movie" isn't actually from the movie - there was a post floating around debunking that picture because it's actually fanart. But, yes, the point still stands. Disney is happy to ignore the inappropriate things in its' past, but condemning Gunn for what he said in the past? I don't condone the "jokes" from Gunn, but they were from a while ago, and he apologised for them before the first Guardians film came out, so it's not as if Disney didn't already know. oops, now I feel bad for posting that picture.
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Post by Ela on Jul 25, 2018 18:05:47 GMT
I'm a bit uncomfortable about where this thread is going. Fantasia and Song of the South include things that are inappropriate now, but were (wrongly) not considered unacceptable when created, and I have a suspicion that those pictures from Aladdin are inside and outside scenes respectively taken out of contenxt. However, the kind of thing that Gunn was tweeting were not appropriate or acceptable when he posted them; most of the ones I saw quoted didn't even have the structure of jokes. Whether he ought to have been sacked is another matter (and he seems to have conceded that they had a point, which is to his credit), of course. Well said. That's why I refrained from commenting on those pics. I didn't even know their origin, that they were taken out of context, or whether they were legitimate or not. We all know that there were many depictions in the past that would alert our "inappropriate cultural stereotyping" chimes now and didn't back when they were common. The crows in Dumbo the elephant is the one that I think of most in this context, mostly because I remember being shocked when I rewatched the much loved childhood classic as an adult in order to share it with my kids. I think what happened to Gunn is a lesson in remembering that everything we post on the internet could come back to bite us in one way or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 20:30:50 GMT
So should Ricky Gervais be banned from doing any more family friendly movies like The Muppets?
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Post by constonks on Jul 25, 2018 22:19:02 GMT
So should Ricky Gervais be banned from doing any more family friendly movies like The Muppets?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 25, 2018 23:36:07 GMT
So should Ricky Gervais be banned from doing any more family friendly movies like The Muppets? Oh great. They got George Carlin fired as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 13:09:47 GMT
Please read EVERYTHING. If you can't, that's fine.
So, as someone's life who has actually been deeply affected by similar territory to the stuff Gunn's tweeted about, no, he shouldn't have been made those jokes. I think I read the first one, couldn't make it through the rest and wanted to punch my hand through my computer screen.
It's shitty, lazy, hack, shock comedy. I mean, on a conceptual level, the jokes are bad.
So, f**** James Gun for that. He was older, should have known better, and for f**** sake needed to get that Revenge of the Nerds was not going to turn into a tangible reality for him, needed to get over himself, and get with the momentum of his life long ago. And f**** him for that scene in Slither, as well.
But, I do believe he's changed. I don't think the same guy could make a film with the emotional vulnerabilty of the Guardians films, and I'm happy he owned up to that shit, moved on and attached his journey to a film he knew was going to be a success. Disney knew about the Tweets and they took it on as part of the gamble that was on the MCU. But we're living in a post-Roseanne world (and to clarify, Roseanne Barr and James Gunn are NOT the same, Barr's being spewing her bullshit for years and has never owned up to it, Gunn, while not at the same level, while still being a dick, reliased he was being an brat and owned up). This was a calculated strike by the Alt-Right, sadly and one, that sadly worked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 18:04:53 GMT
Well, the Guardians are behind James Gunn anyway...
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 16, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:29:14 GMT
They'll probably offer it to Taika Waititi.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 0:48:02 GMT
They'll probably offer it to Taika Waititi. Taika Waititi is busy with JoJo Rabbit and Wellington Paranormal. There is no way Disney isn't going to try and turn this around in a hurry with Avengers 4 next year. At least his script is going to be used and I can't imagine there won't be a push from his co-stars to honor his intentions.
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Post by omega on Aug 17, 2018 1:25:23 GMT
They'll probably offer it to Taika Waititi. Taika Waititi is busy with JoJo Rabbit and Wellington Paranormal. There is no way Disney isn't going to try and turn this around in a hurry with Avengers 5 next year. At least his script is going to be used and I can't imagine there won't be a push from his co-stars to honor his intentions. I can highly recommend Wellington Paranormal (Millennial zombies are in one episode), however while a second season is likely it's not been confirmed yet.
It's really sad how a politically motivated smear campaign designed to pray on the hypersensitive atmosphere (the scumbag took issue with Gunn's politics, which never show in his films and is far from innocent himself) has, regardless of more recent and relevant evidence, potentially ruined a man's career and forever tainted how Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 will be seen. No matter how it turns out people will be comparing the new director to James Gunn, even if it is Taika Waititi. This will cast a shadow over the movie that will never be lifted.
At the very least Disney shouldn't have taken so fast to initially fire Gunn. There should have been communication with people he'd worked with, proper research into the background of the situation. Certainly a review of how their employees use social media. Get all the facts and context before reaching a verdict. If a penalty had to be applied at least something like docking his pay or forcing him to switch off social media.
Just how many movies released by Disney have been about people who do bad things and change their mindset and actions to become better people? Tony Stark in Iron Man was responsible for the creation of deadly weapons, which were being distributed to terrorists behind his back. After he gets kidnapped to create more weapons he makes the Iron Man suit and invents or refines technologies to make the world a better place without killing people. Even when his pre-character development reputation precedes him, like in Age of Ultron, Tony doesn't make excuses for his past behaviour yet continues to be the better person he's become since then. He gets guilt tripped in Civil War by a mother who lost their son in Sokovia, when he's already got plenty of self-imposed guilt (that's his primary motivation for signing the Sokovia Accords). The Guardians of the Galaxy films are about a ragtag group of characters who overcome their personal flaws, well most of them, to be better people. Nebula goes from enemy to ally of the Guardians, or at least on non-hostile terms with Gamora.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 1:47:35 GMT
Taika Waititi is busy with JoJo Rabbit and Wellington Paranormal. There is no way Disney isn't going to try and turn this around in a hurry with Avengers 5 next year. At least his script is going to be used and I can't imagine there won't be a push from his co-stars to honor his intentions. I can highly recommend Wellington Paranormal (Millennial zombies are in one episode), however while a second season is likely it's not been confirmed yet.
It's really sad how a politically motivated smear campaign designed to pray on the hypersensitive atmosphere (the scumbag took issue with Gunn's politics, which never show in his films and is far from innocent himself) has, regardless of more recent and relevant evidence, potentially ruined a man's career and forever tainted how Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 will be seen. No matter how it turns out people will be comparing the new director to James Gunn, even if it is Taika Waititi. This will cast a shadow over the movie that will never be lifted.
At the very least Disney shouldn't have taken so fast to initially fire Gunn. There should have been communication with people he'd worked with, proper research into the background of the situation. Certainly a review of how their employees use social media. Get all the facts and context before reaching a verdict. If a penalty had to be applied at least something like docking his pay or forcing him to switch off social media.
Just how many movies released by Disney have been about people who do bad things and change their mindset and actions to become better people? Tony Stark in Iron Man was responsible for the creation of deadly weapons, which were being distributed to terrorists behind his back. After he gets kidnapped to create more weapons he makes the Iron Man suit and invents or refines technologies to make the world a better place without killing people. Even when his pre-character development reputation precedes him, like in Age of Ultron, Tony doesn't make excuses for his past behaviour yet continues to be the better person he's become since then. He gets guilt tripped in Civil War by a mother who lost their son in Sokovia, when he's already got plenty of self-imposed guilt (that's his primary motivation for signing the Sokovia Accords). The Guardians of the Galaxy films are about a ragtag group of characters who overcome their personal flaws, well most of them, to be better people. Nebula goes from enemy to ally of the Guardians, or at least on non-hostile terms with Gamora.
The worst thing is that they KNEW. You don't get hired by The Mouse without a through background check and James Gunn was very apolgetic about his past behavior prior to the release of he first Guardians, not wanting to make further 'Aholes'. Disney wanted all the noterity of hiring Gunn in nerd circles and capitalised on it. We live in a post-Roseanne world (and that's the only comparsion I'm willing to make between them, James Gunn made shitty jokes and owed up to them, Roseanne Barr is just an awful human being), but if Roseanne Bar hadn't made that awful Tweet which finally stepped her over the line for Disney, I don't think The Mouse would have kept him on, regardless. There's no coming back from that sort of exposure from Disney, sadly.
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Post by omega on Aug 17, 2018 2:03:42 GMT
I can highly recommend Wellington Paranormal (Millennial zombies are in one episode), however while a second season is likely it's not been confirmed yet.
It's really sad how a politically motivated smear campaign designed to pray on the hypersensitive atmosphere (the scumbag took issue with Gunn's politics, which never show in his films and is far from innocent himself) has, regardless of more recent and relevant evidence, potentially ruined a man's career and forever tainted how Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 will be seen. No matter how it turns out people will be comparing the new director to James Gunn, even if it is Taika Waititi. This will cast a shadow over the movie that will never be lifted.
At the very least Disney shouldn't have taken so fast to initially fire Gunn. There should have been communication with people he'd worked with, proper research into the background of the situation. Certainly a review of how their employees use social media. Get all the facts and context before reaching a verdict. If a penalty had to be applied at least something like docking his pay or forcing him to switch off social media.
Just how many movies released by Disney have been about people who do bad things and change their mindset and actions to become better people? Tony Stark in Iron Man was responsible for the creation of deadly weapons, which were being distributed to terrorists behind his back. After he gets kidnapped to create more weapons he makes the Iron Man suit and invents or refines technologies to make the world a better place without killing people. Even when his pre-character development reputation precedes him, like in Age of Ultron, Tony doesn't make excuses for his past behaviour yet continues to be the better person he's become since then. He gets guilt tripped in Civil War by a mother who lost their son in Sokovia, when he's already got plenty of self-imposed guilt (that's his primary motivation for signing the Sokovia Accords). The Guardians of the Galaxy films are about a ragtag group of characters who overcome their personal flaws, well most of them, to be better people. Nebula goes from enemy to ally of the Guardians, or at least on non-hostile terms with Gamora.
The worst thing is that they KNEW. You don't get hired by The Mouse without a through background check and James Gunn was very apolgetic about his past behavior prior to the release of he first Guardians, not wanting to make further 'Aholes'. Disney wanted all the noterity of hiring Gunn in nerd circles and capitalised on it. We live in a post-Roseanne world (and that's the only comparsion I'm willing to make between them, James Gunn made shitty jokes and owed up to them, Roseanne Barr is just an awful human being), but if Roseanne Bar hadn't made that awful Tweet which finally stepped her over the line for Disney, I don't think The Mouse would have kept him on, regardless. There's no coming back from that sort of exposure from Disney, sadly. It's basically a huge PR thing. Despite the difference between the cases (Roseanne had to be cautioned about her active social media faux pas multiple times before the straw that broke the camel's back, Gunn had owned up to his historical social media faux pas before Disney employed him) Disney would have PR issues regardless of whether they kept Gunn on or not. At this point we can only hope no one else falls on a sword placed by a piece of scum (to be generous Cernovich is a controversial figure who actively stirs controversy), and that production on Guardians Volume 3 carries on as best as can be done despite the circumstances.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 17, 2018 6:55:33 GMT
My query is why it take the media so long & two successful Guardian directed movies before exposing Gunns tweets?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 8:13:25 GMT
My query is why it take the media so long & two successful Guardian directed movies before exposing Gunns tweets? It was a calculated campaign against him. You think Disney didn't already know about this? The only reason they fired him was because of the bad press it generated. Double standard from Disney considering who else they still employ.
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