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Post by mark687 on Jul 21, 2018 12:46:20 GMT
Seems to be a be a thought process of "We on message therefore we'll definitely be a hit" going on.
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On message of what? This is a big gamble by the BBC and Chibnall. Maybe so back it with story details , directors, writers. casting info something beyond "Isn't it great we're now so inclusive" .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 12:53:36 GMT
Chibnall wanted to shake up audience's expectations - the New Series is now in it's thirteenth year and there's been four main male actors in the part. You have to shake long running franchises up from time to time and Chibnall casting a woman in the role was part of that. What do you mean by 'moral superiority'? Seems to be a be a thought process of "We on message therefore we'll definitely be a hit" going on. If the stories are good and people are entertained, it will be. It's the content of the episodes that will count in the long run not the colour/gender of the writers and actors. Unlike hardcore Doctor Who fans (i.e. us) I doubt the majority of people watching Doctor Who on BBC1 care too much about that sort of thing anyway, people generally sit down in front of their TV and just want to enjoy the programme they watch. If the quality matches the soundbites, it'll be a hit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 13:00:33 GMT
On message of what? This is a big gamble by the BBC and Chibnall. Maybe so back it with story details , directors, writers. casting info something beyond "Isn't it great we're now so inclusive" .
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but it is great that they’re so inclusive now. And I don’t think that giving out story details is going to do anything except for spoil the episodes. The series is three months away, you’ll get more information when they decide to release it. There’s also the fact that if you’re at the panel and the audience can’t directly ask questions about the plot of the series, so what else can they ask for except behind the scenes details?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 13:03:31 GMT
Maybe so back it with story details , directors, writers. casting info something beyond "Isn't it great we're now so inclusive" .
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but it is great that they’re so inclusive now. And I don’t think that giving out story details is going to do anything except for spoil the episodes. The series is three months away, you’ll get more information when they decide to release it. There’s also the fact that if you’re at the panel and the audience can’t directly ask questions about the plot of the series, so what else can they ask for except behind the scenes details? Exactly - we'll get ALL of that info, every bit of it, over the next few months. It doesn't need to be done just because we're at Comic Con time. We got a trailer and an hour long interview with the cast and crew. That really is enough for one week, surely? And I really think that anyone thinking they just talked about inclusiveness being wonderful should, I dunno, watch the panel - because they talked about loads.
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Post by jasonward on Jul 21, 2018 13:05:07 GMT
If we assume for a moment that the stories and production are great for the new series, I still think that in some markets the program will take a hit in viewer numbers and even in willingness of some TV companies to buy.
Some countries are in very different places when it comes to the gender conversation, and I suspect the new female Doctor may will have difficulty gaining acceptance in those countries.
In some places I expect the attitudes and opinions about women and The Doctor will override any other considerations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 13:06:59 GMT
If we assume for a moment that the stories and production are great for the new series, I still think that in some markets the program will take a hit in viewer numbers and even in willingness of some TV companies to buy. Some countries are in very different places when it comes to the gender conversation, and I suspect the new female Doctor may will have difficulty gaining acceptance in those countries. In some places I expect the attitudes and opinions about women and The Doctor will override any other considerations. But on the other hand if the BBC put a lot of thrust behind this series as a high-budget, good quality show, I don’t think that overseas broadcasters would mind that much.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 21, 2018 13:10:36 GMT
but it is great that they’re so inclusive now. And I don’t think that giving out story details is going to do anything except for spoil the episodes. The series is three months away, you’ll get more information when they decide to release it. There’s also the fact that if you’re at the panel and the audience can’t directly ask questions about the plot of the series, so what else can they ask for except behind the scenes details? Exactly - we'll get ALL of that info, every bit of it, over the next few months. It doesn't need to be done just because we're at Comic Con time. We got a trailer and an hour long interview with the cast and crew. That really is enough for one week, surely? And I really think that anyone thinking they just talked about inclusiveness being wonderful should, I dunno, watch the panel - because they talked about loads. I have I'm confidant they'll do their best with what they're given (and they're not lacking in enthusiasm ) so that's a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 9:21:12 GMT
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Post by analex on Jul 22, 2018 9:43:03 GMT
Exactly - we'll get ALL of that info, every bit of it, over the next few months. It doesn't need to be done just because we're at Comic Con time. We got a trailer and an hour long interview with the cast and crew. That really is enough for one week, surely? And I really think that anyone thinking they just talked about inclusiveness being wonderful should, I dunno, watch the panel - because they talked about loads. I have I'm confidant they'll do their best with what they're given (and they're not lacking in enthusiasm ) so that's a plus.
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This is one of the biggest TV launches of the year and the past decade. Of course, Chibnall is holding back right now. We got plenty of reveals from the panel: - The story structure of Series 11 (Approchable, stand alone-esque episodes for the new and returning audience)
- Further insight into Thirteen's persona
- Further insight into the companions
- Reveal of the TARDIS dynamic
- The new Sonic Screwdriver reveal and how it plays into the premiere and the series at large
- That the show is pushing forward with new elements ahead of any returning elements while still honouring the legacy.
That's quite a bit for the time being.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 9:59:31 GMT
One takeaway from the panel is Tosin - he's a really funny, deadpan, sarcastic sort of guy. I hope that comes through in Ryan. Mandeep is quieter but when she speaks it's from a really thoughful place. It's kinda nice having two new "friends" (I guess they don't say companion now from watching the panel?) to get to know from scratch. Bradley Walsh, of course, everyone in the UK knows so he'll have a different dynamic with audiences. I know a few people going to check it out for him much more so than for a new Doctor.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 22, 2018 23:53:06 GMT
So not too dwell too much more on Doctor Who, but MrTARDISreviews brought up the writers announcement, and then had this to say:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 1:15:24 GMT
Chibnall was asked about monsters and villains at the SDCC Panel and said that the reason he wasn't going to go on about them now is that they wouldn't, being new and unknown, mean anything to the audience. He'd just be describing them which really would be a bit clumsy so he's concentrating on the "friends" for now.
I wonder if the same applies to the writers, that they are not names that have many credits and wouldn't necessarily generate the kind of buzz that revealing "big" names would and have done in years past. In the Moffat era where every other ep was done by a showrunner of another hit series there was buzz to be made from revealing names - we had the showrunners of Being Human, Men Behaving Badly, Blackadder, Life On Mars, Luther, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell and we had a true modern literary icon in Neil Gaiman. Announcing them with some fanfare made sense but if we do have a team who don't have that instant name recognition but are big on talent and ideas, well that doesn't necessarily get the headlines. I can see the reveal being made in DWM rather than on a big stage like SDCC where the audience wants big, instantly exciting news.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 31, 2018 20:55:27 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 7, 2018 14:26:02 GMT
Hre's something, right from the Hollywood trenches:
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 19, 2018 11:28:44 GMT
Here's more from the American perspective:
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Post by mark687 on Aug 19, 2018 11:43:35 GMT
Sorry I know I keep saying this but (especially in the case of a continuing show) experience and skill should be primary considerations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:49:41 GMT
Chibnall was asked about monsters and villains at the SDCC Panel and said that the reason he wasn't going to go on about them now is that they wouldn't, being new and unknown, mean anything to the audience. He'd just be describing them which really would be a bit clumsy so he's concentrating on the "friends" for now. I wonder if the same applies to the writers, that they are not names that have many credits and wouldn't necessarily generate the kind of buzz that revealing "big" names would and have done in years past. In the Moffat era where every other ep was done by a showrunner of another hit series there was buzz to be made from revealing names - we had the showrunners of Being Human, Men Behaving Badly, Blackadder, Life On Mars, Luther, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell and we had a true modern literary icon in Neil Gaiman. Announcing them with some fanfare made sense but if we do have a team who don't have that instant name recognition but are big on talent and ideas, well that doesn't necessarily get the headlines. I can see the reveal being made in DWM rather than on a big stage like SDCC where the audience wants big, instantly exciting news. I would rather have an unknown who could deliver a decent script.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 19, 2018 14:27:59 GMT
Sorry I know I keep saying this but (especially in the case of a continuing show) experience and skill should be primary considerations. Regards mark687 Did you read the thread? She doesn't dismiss that, she argues about the problem within the system that create experience-deficiencies.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 19, 2018 15:06:31 GMT
So should the Media be run from a platform of Positive Action then?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 19, 2018 15:23:15 GMT
So should the Media be run from a platform of Positive Action then? Regards mark687 A) We're not talking about all media, we're talking about film and TV, B) You still have to meet a set criteria to write on big shows so it's not like they'd give a slot to a random woman or black person. Nobody gets a free lunch, otherwise 'no unsolicited materials' wouldn't exist and C) in the prior thread, Paul Guyot and others like him, guys who benefit from the system staying exactly as it is, are coming and out saying 'this isn't right' if it always defaults to just white guys, even when they aren't actually qualified or good enough. Why would you want to protect a system that rewards nepotism over real ability and hard work?
Ask yourself this: why does the 'it's all about the writing' and 'good writing' arguments the internet trots out always default to white guys? Why are other people never recommended, even though they exist and have worked on plenty of popular shows and material?
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