lidar2
Castellan
You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 11, 2019 9:01:53 GMT
Really enjoyed it, now I feel inspired to go off and read Nostromo
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mbt66
Chancellery Guard
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 17, 2019 21:08:01 GMT
When I listen to this again I think I will just listen to disc 2 and disc 4.
You can keep the filler, just give me the killer!
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 17, 2019 22:33:01 GMT
Like I said, I really do think that this is one 4 hour story, more so than any other release Big Finish has done, and The Master is integral to it, yet he is manipulating the events from he background. And plus, I think cutting Episodes 1 and 3 not only loses major strength of the boxset, but also loses Derek Jacobi as a food machine!
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jan 23, 2019 19:09:52 GMT
Nope... not for me.
Full review to follow.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 23, 2019 21:03:55 GMT
Nope... not for me. Full review to follow. Oh a firm No
I await your review with even more interest then usual.
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mark687
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Post by ollychops on Jan 23, 2019 21:11:18 GMT
Listened to this today. It was... okay? I didn't hate it but didn't love it either. The Persistence of Dreams felt way too much like filler for me, they could have dropped that episode entirely.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 23, 2019 21:24:43 GMT
The Persistence of Dreams reminds me of Episode 8 of Twin Peaks: The Return. It’s not strictly necessary, and therefore could be accused of filler, but I don’t think that’s a derogatory term. Certainly, I think Persistence will be the most remembered of the set, exactly how Episode 8 for The Return. I’d argue that their respective series would be worse off without them.
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 23, 2019 22:09:45 GMT
The Persistence of Dreams reminds me of Episode 8 of Twin Peaks: The Return. It’s not strictly necessary, and therefore could be accused of filler, but I don’t think that’s a derogatory term. Certainly, I think Persistence will be the most remembered of the set, exactly how Episode 8 for The Return. I’d argue that their respective series would be worse off without them. That's a great way of putting, so well done on the comparison. And I whole heartedly agree that if you were take out Persistence, the set wouldn't be as great as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 22:16:17 GMT
Listened to this today. It was... okay? I didn't hate it but didn't love it either. The Persistence of Dreams felt way too much like filler for me, they could have dropped that episode entirely. Agree 100%
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 23, 2019 22:38:36 GMT
The Persistence of Dreams reminds me of Episode 8 of Twin Peaks: The Return. It’s not strictly necessary, and therefore could be accused of filler, but I don’t think that’s a derogatory term. Certainly, I think Persistence will be the most remembered of the set, exactly how Episode 8 for The Return. I’d argue that their respective series would be worse off without them. That's a great way of putting, so well done on the comparison. And I whole heartedly agree that if you were take out Persistence, the set wouldn't be as great as it is. Absolutely. I think it’s important to keep in mind that The Persistence of Dreams wasn’t created to pad out the set, but it’s an artistic choice to include a Master-less interlude to the story. In a way, it’s not pointless because it serves as an ending of the story for one of the characters in the set, who we spent a great deal of time with in the previous episode. It’s something which could’ve been done in 5 minutes at the end of the previous episode or the beginning of the next. However, the choice was made to break it down and listen to her suffering and essentially losing her mind. And I think it works.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jan 24, 2019 6:34:26 GMT
Agreed.
All 4 parts are needed. And are interesting on their own way.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jan 24, 2019 15:19:30 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jan 24, 2019 15:31:56 GMT
As fair handed as usual.
Regards
mark687
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mbt66
Chancellery Guard
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 2, 2019 17:50:27 GMT
That was surprising to listen to. As you noted yourself your reviews are usually very complementary and indeed with this review you went out of your way to highlight a lot of reasons to like this release. But it was also lovely to hear that you are not afraid to voice your issues...it’s just that Big Finish don’t usually give cause for complaint that your reviews are so positive. So thank you for posting your review. PS I agreed with everything you said!
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Post by fantasticalice on Apr 13, 2019 20:06:10 GMT
This was utterly delicious. And uniquely terrifying in a way no Master story has ever been because Due to lgbt characters... I really related to the central figures. So not only did I enjoy the story I was also kind of frightened too!
And it was great that the main characters were The Master(my favourite!) a person like me, a person like me, and scray creeepy Ood.
And good god was the Master lite episode terrifying. It was like the weirder parts of Zagreus mixed with Cuddlesome and thrown into a blender with Teddy Sparkles and the complete Iris Wildthyme.
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Post by Ela on Jul 4, 2019 18:58:12 GMT
I admit to having found this story a bit hard to follow at first, with a lot less of the Master than I'd been expecting. The Master was banally and chillingly evil in this. Also, nice little surprise appearance at the end (no, I didn't read the actors' credits in advance so I wasn't expecting it.)
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Post by OneTen on Jul 29, 2019 14:27:24 GMT
I thought this was absolutely superb - one of the best Big Finish releases in a long time, certainly among its very best spin-off sets and up there with the best Master stories. I did think the first War Master set was very good indeed, and might be hard to follow - so changing the format was a smart move from that point of view, but using the four linked stories to develop these characters and the setting of Callous and focus right down on the Master as manipulator was (ahem) a masterstroke.
Jacobi's performance is perfect, but the rest of the cast are excellent too. Lovely characterisation, and bringing different characters to the foreground in each of the four linked stories creates a real sense of depth. Using him sparely at first ensures that when the Master appears he has real impact - and gives Jacobi a chance to use his full dynamic range, rather than forcing him to chew the scenery as the pantomime villain. His motives, while they may not be apparent at the time, are absolutely clear and chillingly logical.
The Ood are perfect for this story. I've no doubt it's tempting to stuff every story with Daleks, and much easier to sell a Time-War Epic, and I'd feared the Ood's presence in this one was a gimmick to provide an additional hook for 20th century Who fans (like several other recurring recent monsters, I've been feeling there have been diminishing returns with the Ood). I was completely wrong about this - the Ood were every bit as effective as they were in The Impossible Planet, but they were also perfectly suited to this story, adding a verisimilitude to life on this miserable colony of Callous, and there's some lovely writing exploring how the intelligent and (relatively) sympathetic lead characters feel about exploiting this race.
I'm really glad I got this one. It's not just an outstanding as a Doctor Who spin-off, or a piece of sci-fi, but first rate audio drama in its own right and regardless of genre.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 7, 2019 2:39:15 GMT
Derek Jacobi is .... I could not be more pleased they snagged him. I want as much Jacobi as Jacobi feels like giving, and then a bit more. He's brilliant in general, but he is .... man... it's hard to say, but he might be becoming my favorite master if not there already. And I loved Beevers.
He's so perfectly sinister, albeit in a different direction that Beevers, but charming, also in a different direction but more malicious in the depth of his deception; so perfectly cold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 6:03:27 GMT
That was surprising to listen to. As you noted yourself your reviews are usually very complementary and indeed with this review you went out of your way to highlight a lot of reasons to like this release. But it was also lovely to hear that you are not afraid to voice your issues...it’s just that Big Finish don’t usually give cause for complaint that your reviews are so positive. So thank you for posting your review. PS I agreed with everything you said! I really don’t get time to listen to a lot of Podcasts with everything else that goes on in day to day life but was so good to hear this review and I will be making time to look. Into some of the others. Yes this definitely was a very dark and heavy set of stories and yes I like to come back to stories when my mind set is different too and then find surprisingly I enjoyed something I did not before Anyway a great review of your reasons
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Post by nottenst on Mar 24, 2020 14:55:01 GMT
Just finished the story. I was wondering just why The Master needed the suenu (sp?) but it was all explained. Quite nasty business, but all well done and at least the governor got her just deserts.
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