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Post by jnr5 on Sept 8, 2022 16:54:53 GMT
So from the story info for After the War I’m going to make so educated guess for there placements on the timeline
Andromeda One is most definitely after The Keeper and before Star One
Fallout and The Enemy I think takes place after Warship so Warship finally gets some company.
So see you all in November to see if I’m right
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 29, 2022 11:19:42 GMT
Re Zero Point, haven't listened yet but the release announcement article is pretty explicit that this comes right after the TV ep Volcano.
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Post by TimPendragon on Oct 2, 2022 21:29:43 GMT
As someone who's only seen up to the first episode of Series B/2, does this list make a good "watching/listening order"? Sometimes purely chronological isn't the best way to go about that. A friend recently passed on their Blake's 7 collection to me, and it includes most of Big Finish's stuff, so as I work my way through the show, I was wanting to listen to the audios at the appropriate spots. And where should I slot in the audios released since the last time the list was updated? Should Bayban the Butcher be broken up with episode 1 as a "prequel" and the other two later on, or heard all in one go? And listening to Bayban Ascending in relation to that, before or after? Stuff like that...
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 7, 2022 9:43:12 GMT
As someone who's only seen up to the first episode of Series B/2, does this list make a good "watching/listening order"? Sometimes purely chronological isn't the best way to go about that. A friend recently passed on their Blake's 7 collection to me, and it includes most of Big Finish's stuff, so as I work my way through the show, I was wanting to listen to the audios at the appropriate spots. And where should I slot in the audios released since the last time the list was updated? Should Bayban the Butcher be broken up with episode 1 as a "prequel" and the other two later on, or heard all in one go? And listening to Bayban Ascending in relation to that, before or after? Stuff like that... I think it works ok as a watching/listening order. Re the specific question on the Bayban stuff, the audiobook is a prequel and comes before any other TV/audio episodes. On the Bayban boxset, ep 1 is a prequel to the entire TV run of Blakes 7, while eps 2 & 3 occur during Season C after Bayban's TV episode. |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 7, 2022 9:49:58 GMT
Re Zero Point, haven't listened yet but the release announcement article is pretty explicit that this comes right after the TV ep Volcano. Having now listened to it, I would say that it does indeed come post-Volcano. it is made clear that Servalan is fairly new to the Presidency, Tarrant/Dayna are still newbies and the Liberator crew have stil not entirely given up hope of Blake/Jenna returning, and the planet Obsidian [from TV ep C3 Volcano] is mentioned a couple of times. |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 7, 2022 9:50:22 GMT
So from the story info for After the War I’m going to make so educated guess for there placements on the timeline Andromeda One is most definitely after The Keeper and before Star One Fallout and The Enemy I think takes place after Warship so Warship finally gets some company. So see you all in November to see if I’m right Some placment info in this month's Vortex |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Nov 20, 2022 22:17:34 GMT
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Post by miles601 on Dec 20, 2022 21:12:33 GMT
Just finished Allies and Enemies.
Saurian Major should be placed prior to Time Squad in Series A.
No Name should be placed during Series B (my preference would be prior to Trial since Travis seems firmly ensconced within the Federation structure)
Sedition is set after Star One, in the interviews after the story Peter Anghelides suggests placing it during Series D and it makes sense to place in late in Series D. I think this is the first full cast Big Finish story with the action set exclusively during Series D. (Parts of Jenna's Story and Blake's Story from Liberator Chronicles 6 were certainly set during series D.)
I also think is this is the first time Big Finish was allowed to (or chose to) mention Guada Prime by name. (Jenna's Story refers to GP as KS-33 and Clone Masters - Rule of Death seems to also have an obscure reference to "The Headsman" potentially being from GP (and possibly being Soolin).
We now have a pretty robust series of stories starring Jenna set after Star One and Warship: Fallout, Sedition, Stimulus-Response and Jenna's Story are all set in this timeframe.
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Post by jnr5 on Dec 20, 2022 22:39:19 GMT
Question what makes you think The Headsman is Soolin
Out of curiosity
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Post by miles601 on Dec 20, 2022 23:53:08 GMT
Just created a new thread laying out my theory. Let me know what you think.
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Post by Feroniya27 on Jan 8, 2023 17:37:04 GMT
I've been doing a full watch/listen-through of Blake's 7 using the timeline posted by Omega and edited and expanded by smith11. I'm coming up on the end of Series B and have a few questions. First, has anyone confirmed jnr5's predictions on where After the War takes place? I'm mostly wondering about Andromeda One. I don't want to listen to it before Star One if it turns out that it somehow takes place after it after all. It sounds like a safe bet that Fallout runs parallel to Aftermath just from Jenna's POV, so I'm planning on watching the TV episode first and then listening to that audio. I'm not as sure about The Enemy since I don't remember if Cally was immediately reunited with Avon and Vila in Aftermath. Second is Outlaw... where I decide to listen to it really depends on where it ends. So I guess I'm asking for a degree of spoilers here. Moving this to spoilers for the benefit of TimPendragon since he said he's watching them for the first time just in case he hasn't gotten to it yet. {Spoiler}
Does it end with Travis first meeting the Andromedans? Or immediately before the battle of Star One? Or does it parallel the events of Star One all the way up to and including his death? Another key element here is I am determined to watch and listen to Star One, Warship, and Aftermath back to back, so anything else that happens during those episodes I want to push back to after Aftermath. This board has been incredibly helpful to me on this journey, thank you all for making it possible!! |
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Post by Feroniya27 on Jan 8, 2023 17:46:37 GMT
Oh, also The Clone Masters should probably go between Horizon and Pressure Point, since it has Travis as still part of the Federation. The Rule of Death works fine right where it is.
And I just have to add, listening to these audio stories in between the TV episodes does a great job of balancing things out with the cast and keeping Jenna and Cally as regular leads, since the TV episodes have them pretty much not doing anything but manning the teleport!
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Post by bonehead on Jan 8, 2023 18:23:42 GMT
Oh, also The Clone Masters should probably go between Horizon and Pressure Point, since it has Travis as still part of the Federation. The Rule of Death works fine right where it is. And I just have to add, listening to these audio stories in between the TV episodes does a great job of balancing things out with the cast and keeping Jenna and Cally as regular leads, since the TV episodes have them pretty much not doing anything but manning the teleport! Thanks for all this. I wouldn't know where to start sorting B7 into any kind of chronological order, so its good that others are more resilient than me! It's interesting to see where the audios slot into the television story universe. |
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Post by Whovitt on Jan 8, 2023 23:11:07 GMT
Regarding After the War, I'm pretty certain Andromeda One takes place between The Keeper and Star One, and Fallout and The Enemy occur elsewhere during Aftermath, as the end of the episodes set up where Jenna and Cally are as established in Power Play. I haven't heard Outlaw yet, but the interviews of Andromeda One implied that Outlaw definitely comes first (without reading the spoiler section in your post, I can't be more specific as I don't know what you say there  ). Hope that helps  |
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Post by seeklocatedestroy on Jan 9, 2023 9:10:22 GMT
In terms of After the War placements, Andromeda One mostly takes place between The Keeper and Star One but also has a framing story which takes place after Warship and before (or possibly during) Aftermath. I would just recommend sticking it where the main story takes place in a marathon as there isn’t a whole lot to the framing story.
Fallout and The Enemy are a little harder to place - Fallout runs pretty much entirely parallel to Aftermath (and some dialogue which I won’t spoil indicates that it ends sometime during the start of Powerplay) - however The Enemy has to take place after Fallout but also sets up Cally’s appearance in Powerplay (she isn’t actually in Aftermath at all), so that entire episode has to take place during Powerplay’s opening scenes. I would recommend sticking both Fallout and The Enemy between Aftermath and Powerplay as it’s probably the easiest way to keep track of all of the parallel plot threads.
As for Outlaw, it actually ends just prior to Gambit - apparently rights issues at the time prevented them from following Travis’s journey all the way to Star One. The issues have since been resolved, hence why we have Andromeda One (which written by the same author and has pretty heavy ties to what happened in the novel).
So basically I’d recommend;
Classic Adventures Series 1
Outlaw
Gambit though to The Keeper
Andromeda One
Star One
Warship
Aftermath
Fallout
The Enemy
Powerplay
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 9, 2023 22:57:55 GMT
In terms of After the War placements, Andromeda One mostly takes place between The Keeper and Star One but also has a framing story which takes place after Warship and before (or possibly during) Aftermath. I would just recommend sticking it where the main story takes place in a marathon as there isn’t a whole lot to the framing story. Fallout and The Enemy are a little harder to place - Fallout runs pretty much entirely parallel to Aftermath (and some dialogue which I won’t spoil indicates that it ends sometime during the start of Powerplay) - however The Enemy has to take place after Fallout but also sets up Cally’s appearance in Powerplay (she isn’t actually in Aftermath at all), so that entire episode has to take place during Powerplay’s opening scenes. I would recommend sticking both Fallout and The Enemy between Aftermath and Powerplay as it’s probably the easiest way to keep track of all of the parallel plot threads. As for Outlaw, it actually ends just prior to Gambit - apparently rights issues at the time prevented them from following Travis’s journey all the way to Star One. The issues have since been resolved, hence why we have Andromeda One (which written by the same author and has pretty heavy ties to what happened in the novel). So basically I’d recommend; Classic Adventures Series 2 Outlaw Gambit though to The Keeper Andromeda One Star One Warship Aftermath Fallout The Enemy Powerplay I basically agree, but I'd be inclined to put the framing story in Andromeda One between Star One and Warship. The reason is that the character who appears in Andromeda One and Fallout needs a bit of time to get from where they are in Andromeda One to where we meet them in Fallout. By the end of Star One the Federation is aware of the alien fleet and war has broken out, so it is conceivable Adrian Lukis' character would be aware of what he describes as the "alien scum". As a general aside, stories like Andromeda One with framing devices are a pain in the proverbial when it comes to chronological order, as the framing story and the bulk of the actual story are at different points in the chronology. I'd much prefer it if Andromeda One hadn't had a framing story, the main purpose it serves is to justify the episode's inclusion under the "After the War" title of the boxset Also, Heores and Villains eps 2 & 3 have to come after Classic Adventures Season 1 as 1.2 is referenced as being in the past, so they need to go in there too. |
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Post by seeklocatedestroy on Jan 10, 2023 4:03:38 GMT
Yep, good point on Andromeda One - it probably does need to take place during Warship for things to make sense. The timeline that I’ve been maintaining in my own time is more of a listening order than a strict chronology, so since Warship follows pretty much directy on from Star One I have it between Warship and Aftermath - but they pretty much have to overlap chronologically as you say. Honestly I’m dubious as to whether it’s plausible that all of After the War could even fit between Star One and the begining of Powerplay given all of the episodes take place in sequence and there are time jumps (albeit probably only a small one between Fallout and The Enemy) between each of them.
Interesting note on Heroes and Villians - I definitely missed that reference. What specifically was said? Not that I doubt you or anything but it would be annoying to have to crowbar those in somewhere in that final stretch since each story from Voice from the Past through the Classic Adventures all the way into Star One/Warship is linked in some way and flows really nicely as is.
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Post by Feroniya27 on Jan 11, 2023 0:16:09 GMT
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Post by miles601 on Jan 11, 2023 18:01:52 GMT
Interesting note on Heroes and Villians - I definitely missed that reference. What specifically was said? Not that I doubt you or anything but it would be annoying to have to crowbar those in somewhere in that final stretch since each story from Voice from the Past through the Classic Adventures all the way into Star One/Warship is linked in some way and flows really nicely as is. In Classic Adventures 1.2 Battleground by Andrew Smith, the Liberator crew travels to the planet Straxis, which is used as a Federation training facility known as Battleground 9. It is fairly clear in the dialogue/plot of the story that the crew did not have prior knowledge of what happens on "Battleground" planets. In Heroes and Villains: Everyone Talks to Shrinker also by Andrew Smith, Jenna is on a planet she likens to the experiences encountered on Battleground 9. So, Smith likely worked in the reference to his earlier story. Fitting "Dorian"/"Shrinker" after Classic Adv. series 1 and before "Gambit" creates a narrative gap which dovetails nicely into the timeline I outline below for Travis' activity following "Voice from the Past". (I have a big post below regarding Travis). From the Liberator crews' perspective they travel to Atlay in "Voice from the Past", then go through the events of Classic Adventures series 1. At the end of CA series 1 they learn about Docholli. Their pursuit of this lead is delayed by the "Dorian"/"Shrinker" adventures. They then arrive on Freedom City for "Gambit". From Travis perspective: "Voice from the Past" Blake escapes from him on Atlay, then Classic Adv. series 1, then "Outlaw" Part 3 Traitor in which he travels to Sauron Delta, then Jeveron, then the freighter Barre---(while the Liberator crew is having the "Dorian/Shrinker" adventures)---then to Freedom City to encounter the Liberator crew once again in "Gambit". |
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Post by miles601 on Jan 11, 2023 19:22:17 GMT
Below is the best attempt I can make at a Travis Series B timeline along with placement notes:
“Allies and Enemies - No Name”
Weapon
“Clone Masters - Rule of Life”
Pressure Point
Trial
“Outlaw” Part 2 Outlaw
Hostage
Voice from the Past
Classic Adventures Series 1 “Fractures, Mirror, Cold Fury, Caged”
“Outlaw” Part 3 Traitor
Gambit
The Keeper
“Andromeda One”
Star One
Outlaw Part 1 Commander
Chapters 1-4 are set prior to Series A. they depict Travis' first encounter with Blake and how he obtained his artificial arm and eye. He first meets Commisar Ura Lekta.
Chapters 5-7 are set after "Orac" and depict how and why the Travis from Series A transformed into the Travis from Series B.
Part 2 Outlaw
Chapters 8-18 follows the episode B-6 ”Trial". Travis escapes his court martial in a pursuit ship with a crew of mutoids. He travels to the planet Galitox and encounters a group of criminals. His pursuit ship and mutoid crew is lost. He departs Galitox in a pirate vessel. My opinion is that this event sets up the fact that in B-8 "Hostage" Travis is working with a group of crimmos instead of a mutoid crew. He again encounters Ura Lekta.
Part 3 Traitor
Chapter 19-28 happens after the events of B-10 “Voice from the Past". In Chapter 19 Servalan and Travis meet aboard the Starliner Monarch to discuss his failure with the Shivan gambit on Atlay. Travis travels to the planet Sauron Delta and becomes aware of the invasion force from the Andromeda galaxy. He then travels to Jevron following his leads regarding the alien invasion and again meets Ura Lekta. Travis then boards the star freighter Barre heading for Freedom City and meets Docholli leading in to the events of B-11 "Gambit".
The main story (disregarding the framing sequence set after the events of "Star One") of "Andromeda One" follows on from the events of B-12 "The Keeper" and lead into B-13 "Star One".
-"Clone Masters - The Rule of Life" should be placed after B-3 "Weapon" (it references Travis killing the Blake clone) and before B-5/6 "Pressure Point"/"Trial" since Travis is clearly working still working as an official member of the Federation during "The Rule of Life". As he speaks to clone-Travis he speaks to the possibilities "...if the time ever comes to break ties with the Federation..." for Travis and clone-Travis to work together to be invincible. He would not be considering the possibilities of breaking ties with the Federation after "Trial" since that break would have already occurred.
-"Allies and Enemies - No Name" should be placed prior to "Trial". I would personally place it prior to "Weapon" to show what Travis was up to during the earliest parts of Series B. Travis is clearly working for the Federation in this episode. He pushes Arlen back towards becoming a Federation Officer. I do not think this would be a priority or mindset for him after the events of "Trial". He might work with a criminal elemental to usurp the property of the citizens of Vanstone, but I doubt he'd care as much about convincing Arlen to return to service for the Federation if the story was set after “Trial”.
Classic Adventures series 1 "Fratures", "Mirror", "Cold Fury", and "Caged". These stories happen after "A Voice from the Past" and before "Gambit". They are a bit tricky to reconcile with the events of Part 3 Traitor from "Outlaw". In Classic Adventures series 1 Travis is back in command of group of pursuit ships and working in the service of The President. In Chapter 19 of “Outlaw” Travis reflects on “One or two other doomed attempts to seize the Liberator”. I would fit Classic Adventures series under under this umbrella.
The best way to reconcile everything is to consider that there is an untold story set after "Hostage" whereby Travis begins to work more directly for the President in order to try to capture Blake. With the President as his patron he is given a new set of pursuit ships. He disguises himself as the injured Shivan but that scheme fails ("Voice from the Past"). He then boards his pursuit ships and chases after Blake and Liberator crew (the beginning of "Fractures"). His time working on behalf of the President comes to a conclusion as Blake and the company escape from the Cage prison facility (they learn about the existence of Docholli). Travis then meets with Servalan aboard the Starliner Monarch (Outlaw Chapter 19) and heads off to Sauron Delta to follow his own leads.
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