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Post by sherlock on May 11, 2020 16:00:38 GMT
BIG update- docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aVnz23GLZPMWZ0TxTTwOhXDN_wrtkvlJWhDal55ir00/edit?usp=sharingIn this Google document, I have expanded this timeline to include practically everything. DWM comics, Torchwood Magazine short stories, DWA comics, Titan comics, NAs, EDAs, NSAs...There will be things I’ve missed (I haven’t really looked at the Erimem series nor Candy Jar’s Lethbridge-Stewart). Surprisingly few issues. The main problem is Torchwood, which is hideously inconsistent. Pack Animals is Halloween and is before Gwen’s wedding, yet SkyPoint is in September and is after Gwen’s wedding. There’s a short story where Jack, Gwen and Ianto mark New Year, but that doesn’t match both Fragments and Children of Earth being in 2009. I’m guessing the Rift screwed with time a bit, or that Owen and Tosh just were busy on new year. This looks great from what I can see, just two things I noticed: Death in Blackpool is set in 2008. They were aiming for 2009 as that was Lucie’s present day, but ended up arriving a year earlier while she was still on earth during their separation between Series 2 and 3. Or at least, that’s the only way it makes sense as Lucie is explicitly from 2006 but Death in Blackpool is explicitly set in 2008. The Class timeline is way too tight for The Creeper to come as late as it is. As For Tonight We Might Die ends October 14 and The Coach with the Dragon Tattoo takes place a week later but also over 4 consecutive school days. A computer monitor actually says it ends on a Thursday which would mean it began on a Monday. A week on from October 14 is October 21, but then we need to push it a few days further to make it to Monday. So Coach with the Dragon Tattoo starts on Monday 24 and ends Thursday 27. Then you’ve only got a couple of days before Halloween and The Creeper happens. Also Night Visiting also has a computer monitor which says it takes place on a Thursday if that’s any use to you. Also about the Torchwood thing, it’s just gonna keep getting worse. Like the upcoming Tosh/Ianto story is set during Valentines Day, but there’s only one definitive year they could’ve been together then, which would be in 2008. But it’d also be during Jack’s absence between Series 1 and 2 unless there’s a huge gap between Out of Time and End of Days. So basically if they mention that Jack is around then it’ll have to be moved to 2009 which will pretty much confirm that Series 2 does spill into that year and then that New Year short story will be screwed up. I’d forgotten some of the specifics of the Lucie Miller stories so that’s been fixed. The Creeper has been moved to just after Dragon Tattoo.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 17, 2020 13:56:19 GMT
Stranded Volume 1 has been added to 2020. Put in the months implied to pass during Series 12.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 20, 2020 16:47:12 GMT
Added the UNIT Logs in August 2020.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 25, 2020 20:57:05 GMT
I’ve just been looking over the timelines recently and I’ve got a few thoughts
Day of the Clown is probably in October 2009 as one of Luke's emails from Maria is dated 9th October. So unless that contradicts anything, October might fit better.
Is there any reason why we can’t just split SJA series 3 in half so that the first three episodes take place in late 2009 and then the latter three in mid 2010? That way you can have The End of Time in 2009, and Planet of the Dead in 2010 with no continuity snarls. I don’t think there’s anything that dates Series 3 to any particular time of year other than that The Gift is obviously set towards the summer as it’s pretty sunny throughout that story and they have a barbecue at the end which wouldn’t really make sense at the end of 2009 or even early 2010.
One of the Lethbridge-Stewart stories has apparently confirmed that Miracle Day ends in September 2011, with one of the Brig’s relatives commenting that he wished it hadn’t ended in September other the Brigadier might have lived.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 25, 2020 21:59:50 GMT
I’ve just been looking over the timelines recently and I’ve got a few thoughts Day of the Clown is probably in October 2009 as one of Luke's emails from Maria is dated 9th October. So unless that contradicts anything, October might fit better. Is there any reason why we can’t just split SJA series 3 in half so that the first three episodes take place in late 2009 and then the latter three in mid 2010? That way you can have The End of Time in 2009, and Planet of the Dead in 2010 with no continuity snarls. I don’t think there’s anything that dates Series 3 to any particular time of year other than that The Gift is obviously set towards the summer as it’s pretty sunny throughout that story and they have a barbecue at the end which wouldn’t really make sense at the end of 2009 or even early 2010. One of the Lethbridge-Stewart stories has apparently confirmed that Miracle Day ends in September 2011, with one of the Brig’s relatives commenting that he wished it hadn’t ended in September other the Brigadier might have lived. Ah I hadn’t noticed that in Day before. As it’s start of school term, I’d always assumed it was September. I actually can’t think of anything that says SJA Series 3 can’t be split up like that. That could work. So going by that Lethbridge-Stewart entry, The Gathering and The Blood Line are in September. Working backwards, End of the Road is two months prior, putting it in July. All the episodes prior to that seem to taken place over the course of weeks, so I’d guess the Miracle started sometime in June.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 25, 2020 23:09:47 GMT
I’ve just been looking over the timelines recently and I’ve got a few thoughts Day of the Clown is probably in October 2009 as one of Luke's emails from Maria is dated 9th October. So unless that contradicts anything, October might fit better. Is there any reason why we can’t just split SJA series 3 in half so that the first three episodes take place in late 2009 and then the latter three in mid 2010? That way you can have The End of Time in 2009, and Planet of the Dead in 2010 with no continuity snarls. I don’t think there’s anything that dates Series 3 to any particular time of year other than that The Gift is obviously set towards the summer as it’s pretty sunny throughout that story and they have a barbecue at the end which wouldn’t really make sense at the end of 2009 or even early 2010. One of the Lethbridge-Stewart stories has apparently confirmed that Miracle Day ends in September 2011, with one of the Brig’s relatives commenting that he wished it hadn’t ended in September other the Brigadier might have lived. Ah I hadn’t noticed that in Day before. As it’s start of school term, I’d always assumed it was September. I actually can’t think of anything that says SJA Series 3 can’t be split up like that. That could work. So going by that Lethbridge-Stewart entry, The Gathering and The Blood Line are in September. Working backwards, End of the Road is two months prior, putting it in July. All the episodes prior to that seem to taken place over the course of weeks, so I’d guess the Miracle started sometime in June. Well Rex’s phone says that it’s March 22nd in episode 2, and then another phone says September in the last episode which is where I guess the Lethbridge-Stewart people got that date from.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 26, 2020 7:52:09 GMT
Ah I hadn’t noticed that in Day before. As it’s start of school term, I’d always assumed it was September. I actually can’t think of anything that says SJA Series 3 can’t be split up like that. That could work. So going by that Lethbridge-Stewart entry, The Gathering and The Blood Line are in September. Working backwards, End of the Road is two months prior, putting it in July. All the episodes prior to that seem to taken place over the course of weeks, so I’d guess the Miracle started sometime in June. Well Rex’s phone says that it’s March 22nd in episode 2, and then another phone says September in the last episode which is where I guess the Lethbridge-Stewart people got that date from. Yeah I’m gonna ignore Rex’s phone as it’s not backed up by anything and the Miracle needs to start after any Doctor Who stories set in 2011 as obviously it’s not mentioned. Also the series does not feel like it goes on for 6 months. Aside from the explicit two month gap between End of the Road and The Gathering, every episode feels days, weeks at most, apart. Maybe Rex’s phone was a throwaway work phone with the wrong date, for some reason.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 26, 2020 11:23:38 GMT
Well Rex’s phone says that it’s March 22nd in episode 2, and then another phone says September in the last episode which is where I guess the Lethbridge-Stewart people got that date from. Yeah I’m gonna ignore Rex’s phone as it’s not backed up by anything and the Miracle needs to start after any Doctor Who stories set in 2011 as obviously it’s not mentioned. Also the series does not feel like it goes on for 6 months. Aside from the explicit two month gap between End of the Road and The Gathering, every episode feels days, weeks at most, apart. Maybe Rex’s phone was a throwaway work phone with the wrong date, for some reason. It ending in September still means that Amy and Rory would’ve lived through it between A Good Man Goes To War and Lets Kill Hitler as they spend the summer in Leadworth so it overlaps no matter where you put it in the year. As for Rex's phone, I’m pretty sure it was a secondary phone so at least you can imagine that it mightn’t have been set up properly. I personally hope that at some point we get given an official date and they just set it over three months roughly between the end of April (just after Amy and Rory leave at the beginning of Series 6) and some point in July. That way you could possibly rationalise that Amy and Rory just miss the Miracle by the skin of their teeth, get back a little bit into the summer and then leave again in September. While SJA Series 5 would occur earlier in the year and miss it entirely. EDIT: Hang on, just noticed something else. Isn’t SJA series 4 supposed to take place in late 2010 rather than in 2011. It even syncs up with Series 5 of Doctor Who with Amy and Rory on their honeymoon between The Big Bang and A Christmas Carol. And then I think Series 5 takes place in early 2011 because Secrets of the Stars reveals that Rani is an Aries (and she was also born in 1993), but she’s still 17 in Series 5, so she hasn’t had her birthday yet that year.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 20, 2020 13:01:22 GMT
Added The Three Monkeys after the previous Owen/Andy audios.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 20, 2020 13:04:05 GMT
Yeah I’m gonna ignore Rex’s phone as it’s not backed up by anything and the Miracle needs to start after any Doctor Who stories set in 2011 as obviously it’s not mentioned. Also the series does not feel like it goes on for 6 months. Aside from the explicit two month gap between End of the Road and The Gathering, every episode feels days, weeks at most, apart. Maybe Rex’s phone was a throwaway work phone with the wrong date, for some reason. It ending in September still means that Amy and Rory would’ve lived through it between A Good Man Goes To War and Lets Kill Hitler as they spend the summer in Leadworth so it overlaps no matter where you put it in the year. As for Rex's phone, I’m pretty sure it was a secondary phone so at least you can imagine that it mightn’t have been set up properly. I personally hope that at some point we get given an official date and they just set it over three months roughly between the end of April (just after Amy and Rory leave at the beginning of Series 6) and some point in July. That way you could possibly rationalise that Amy and Rory just miss the Miracle by the skin of their teeth, get back a little bit into the summer and then leave again in September. While SJA Series 5 would occur earlier in the year and miss it entirely. EDIT: Hang on, just noticed something else. Isn’t SJA series 4 supposed to take place in late 2010 rather than in 2011. It even syncs up with Series 5 of Doctor Who with Amy and Rory on their honeymoon between The Big Bang and A Christmas Carol. And then I think Series 5 takes place in early 2011 because Secrets of the Stars reveals that Rani is an Aries (and she was also born in 1993), but she’s still 17 in Series 5, so she hasn’t had her birthday yet that year. Putting Series 4 in 2010 doesn’t really allow for the passage of time at the start of The Nightmare Man. There Luke starts Sixth Form (so after The Gift where the gang seem to be GCSE students) and is suggested he should apply for uni early, it then jumps to results day (at the earliest August of the following year) and then to September. I can’t recall Rani’s age being specifically stated in Series 5, though I could have missed it.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 20, 2020 23:19:47 GMT
It ending in September still means that Amy and Rory would’ve lived through it between A Good Man Goes To War and Lets Kill Hitler as they spend the summer in Leadworth so it overlaps no matter where you put it in the year. As for Rex's phone, I’m pretty sure it was a secondary phone so at least you can imagine that it mightn’t have been set up properly. I personally hope that at some point we get given an official date and they just set it over three months roughly between the end of April (just after Amy and Rory leave at the beginning of Series 6) and some point in July. That way you could possibly rationalise that Amy and Rory just miss the Miracle by the skin of their teeth, get back a little bit into the summer and then leave again in September. While SJA Series 5 would occur earlier in the year and miss it entirely. EDIT: Hang on, just noticed something else. Isn’t SJA series 4 supposed to take place in late 2010 rather than in 2011. It even syncs up with Series 5 of Doctor Who with Amy and Rory on their honeymoon between The Big Bang and A Christmas Carol. And then I think Series 5 takes place in early 2011 because Secrets of the Stars reveals that Rani is an Aries (and she was also born in 1993), but she’s still 17 in Series 5, so she hasn’t had her birthday yet that year. Putting Series 4 in 2010 doesn’t really allow for the passage of time at the start of The Nightmare Man. There Luke starts Sixth Form (so after The Gift where the gang seem to be GCSE students) and is suggested he should apply for uni early, it then jumps to results day (at the earliest August of the following year) and then to September. I can’t recall Rani’s age being specifically stated in Series 5, though I could have missed it. From Sky Part 1: MYERS: I'm afraid not. Mrs Chandra, do you have young children? GITA: No. Just our daughter, Rani. She's seventeen, and very clever. She's going to be a journalist.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 2, 2021 15:09:17 GMT
Extended to 2021.
I’m guessing Revolution is intended to be on New Year’s Day, since Graham said happy new year to Yaz. I’ve accordingly dated The Timeless Children to 10 months prior, in March.
And yes, The Harvest is now included as we are only 10 months away from reaching what was considered in 2004 to be the near future. No existential crisis for me, as I was a school kid when it was released.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 2, 2021 23:58:21 GMT
Extended to 2021. I’m guessing Revolution is intended to be on New Year’s Day, since Graham said happy new year to Yaz. I’ve accordingly dated The Timeless Children to 10 months prior, in March. And yes, The Harvest is now included as we are only 10 months away from reaching what was considered in 2004 to be the near future. No existential crisis for me, as I was a school kid when it was released. A recent short story by Vinay Patel called “The Tourist” from the Doctor Who lockdown anthology book dated Fugitive of the Judoon to January. I’m not so sure if Revolution is supposed to be on New Years Day as when Graham tells Yaz happy new year, she didn’t even seem sure when it was. And then the fact that there seems to be a lot of time skips in the episode. And it’d be odd if the Fam just happened to find out about and start investigating the Daleks on the same day they were due to be unveiled to the public.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 7, 2021 22:41:19 GMT
Okay so I rewatched Exit Wounds and I’m fairly sure it’s actually 2008. Jack specifically tells Torchwood in 1901 to freeze him for “hundred and seven years time”, so the story is meant to be in 2008.
This rather puts Ianto’s recruitment in Fragments in a bit of a fix. As 21 months previously would likely be in 2006...which before the fall of a Torchwood One in Doomsday. Meanwhile Owen’s recruitment was four years ago...but his ”second week” was the Space Pig incident in Aliens of London, which is in 2006.
Agghhh...
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Post by Whovitt on Jan 7, 2021 23:22:16 GMT
Doesn't the dating of Rose come from The End of Time: Part Two when the Doctor asks her what year it is? Could we say that maybe she was a little bit drunk (what with it being New Year's Eve and all) and she simply made a mistake and meant to say 2004? I feel like that would go a long way to fixing things.
Yeah, I know, it's a pretty unlikely event, but it might at least help things line up a little better. Still wouldn't fix the Owen problem though... I've had a problem with Fragments' chronology from the first time I saw it though, and I don't think there is any possible way of reconciling it. Unless someone writes a BF audio that causes the Torchwood team to end up in a timeloop for a year or something, and they count that year of time. That would technically place Owen's "4 years ago" at 2005 (assuming Exit Wounds is definitely 2008) and, if we allow for Rose being confused, that would actually work! We'd need that timeloop story though...
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 7, 2021 23:32:58 GMT
Okay so I rewatched Exit Wounds and I’m fairly sure it’s actually 2008. Jack specifically tells Torchwood in 1901 to freeze him for “hundred and seven years time”, so the story is meant to be in 2008. This rather puts Ianto’s recruitment in Fragments in a bit of a fix. As 21 months previously would likely be in 2006...which before the fall of a Torchwood One in Doomsday. Meanwhile Owen’s recruitment was four years ago...but his ”second week” was the Space Pig incident in Aliens of London, which is in 2006. Agghhh... Well the easiest fix with Owen is just to assume that his flashback takes place over a long time. We can fairly easily assume that at least several months pass during his flashback as Katie will have had to have gone through loads of tests before they diagnosed her with Alzheimer’s and the Doctor says that they’ve gone over and redone her tests again and again. So I can see a considerable amount of time passing. I’m not entirely sure two years could be justified, but maybe 18 months at squeeze? Obviously the dating for Tosh doesn’t matter as long as she joins before March 2005, and placing Fragments in 2008 would mean she joined circa 2003 so that’s fine. Although Greeks Bearing Gifts says she was recruit three years before so we can assume that she spends several months to a year imprisoned by UNIT before Jack recruits her. The only real issue is Ianto. There’s no way around it. The Battle of Canary Wharf has to fall after late March/early April 2007. Because Love and Monsters takes place then and there’s no ghost shift. The Ghost Shifts start two months before the fall of Torchwood One, so it must take place during May/June 2007 at the earliest. And 21 months on from there of course brings us to March/April 2009. The only way I think we could potentially get around this is by assuming that the Ghost Shifts were already happening during Love and Monsters, and the Doctor and Rose missed it. But I find that incredibly unlikely, especially with LINDA never mentioning it. Part of me thinks just ignored the dodgy dates. There’s always stuff that doesn’t quite add up. But it is annoying.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 10, 2021 6:31:55 GMT
I'm re-watching Miracle Day right now and it throws the whole Torchwood section here out of whack. When Rex asks Esther what they know about Gwen, she specifically says "...that she joined the Torchwood Institute in October 2006" (I've even got the subtitles on to back it up). Since Everything Changes/ Day One therefore have to take place in Oct 2006, there's a lot of restructuring needed EDIT: Upon further thought, it's literally impossible to make that work. Do we just ignore the dialogue, even though it's so explicit?
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Post by sherlock on Feb 11, 2021 15:49:25 GMT
I'm re-watching Miracle Day right now and it throws the whole Torchwood section here out of whack. When Rex asks Esther what they know about Gwen, she specifically says "...that she joined the Torchwood Institute in October 2006" (I've even got the subtitles on to back it up). Since Everything Changes/ Day One therefore have to take place in Oct 2006, there's a lot of restructuring needed EDIT: Upon further thought, it's literally impossible to make that work. Do we just ignore the dialogue, even though it's so explicit? I think this is rare occasion when it’s okay to completely ignore it. Just assume the CIA’s records about Torchwood are inaccurate.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 11, 2021 23:13:00 GMT
I'm re-watching Miracle Day right now and it throws the whole Torchwood section here out of whack. When Rex asks Esther what they know about Gwen, she specifically says "...that she joined the Torchwood Institute in October 2006" (I've even got the subtitles on to back it up). Since Everything Changes/ Day One therefore have to take place in Oct 2006, there's a lot of restructuring needed EDIT: Upon further thought, it's literally impossible to make that work. Do we just ignore the dialogue, even though it's so explicit? I think this is rare occasion when it’s okay to completely ignore it. Just assume the CIA’s records about Torchwood are inaccurate. Possibly. I also double checked the other Miracle Day dating points discussed in this thread. The date on Rex's phone in episode 2 isn't actually the phone itself, it's a text from the bank telling him that a transfer has been made into his account at x time on y date. So, unless the bank is wrong, that's pretty difficult to reconcile with the date in the final episode being on or around the 9th of September (which, according to the CIA bug trace, is the last time the mole leaked information) since the Miracle should have been going for six months by then which is... just too long. Having binged the whole of Torchwood in the last week, my only conclusion is that they didn't think for one second about making the TW timeline synchronise with the DW one, let alone keep a consistent chronology in and of itself. There are just too many inconsistency from pretty much day one (not either episode called Day One, I mean the figurative "day one"). Heck, look at MD stating Everything Change/ Day One are Oct 2006 - They Keep Killing Suzie is meant to be three months after she first died (so Jan 2007), yet Out of Time is at Christmas! Unless Gwen's supposed to have been working for Torchwood for over a year by episode 10, there's just no way of making it work.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 10, 2021 19:34:08 GMT
Added a few recent Torchwood releases (based on TARDIS Wiki info, which I hope is accurate) and also Stranded 2, which I assume retains links to 2020 (as that’s the premise of the saga) in addition to its time travel escapades?
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