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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 18, 2020 17:10:37 GMT
The 2017-2019 dating for Aliens Among Us doesn’t really work, in fact there’s barely enough time for a full year to elapse.
Aliens Among Us 1 A few weeks pass over the course of this set, mainly between Episodes 2 and 3 due to the funeral preparations for Mary Cooper. Orr joins Torchwood at the end of Superiority Complex.
Aliens Among Us 2 Anwen is 7 years old, unavoidably placing this somewhere roughly between May 2017 and May 2018. Rhys mentions that Gwen hasn’t been herself for weeks, ever since Mary's funeral. Orr is still new to Torchwood. Jack goes missing between Love Rat and The Empty Hand. Gwen berates him for disappearing for weeks when he returns. The scene with Colchester in The Torchwood Archive takes place in 2017, Orr has joined Torchwood and Gwen seems to be in charge so it’s probably during Jack's few weeks absence. The Empty Hand leads directly into the beginning of Aliens Among Us 3.
Aliens Among Us 3 Yvonne says in Herald of the Dawn that she’s only been with the team for a few days, and that the events of Aliens Among Us have occurred over the last few months.
Cardiff Unknown Set a few weeks after Herald of the Dawn. Brent Hayden is still around so it’s before The Man Who Destroyed Torchwood. Flight 405 went missing in 1957 and has been missing for 60 years, setting this around 2017. Despite the October 2018 placement in the title, it just doesn’t work with any of the actual in-story evidence.
God Among Us 1 Future Pain is set a few weeks after Herald of the Dawn. Future Pain is still recent in See No Evil, which leads directly into Night Watch, which leads directly into God Among Us 2.
God Among Us 2 Flight 405 follows on from the end of GAU1. Norton Folgate joins Torchwood Three. Although Hostile Environment seems as though it takes place over several months, Another Man’s Shoes establishes that Norton has only been around for weeks so that’s how long has passed since Night Watch. It also establishes that The Empty Hand took place the previous year, so by this point we’re definitely into 2018. In Eye of the Storm, the team still don’t trust Ng and Jack finally has it out with her, so it really can’t be a very long time after Herald of the Dawn.
God Among Us 3 By A Mother's Son, two months have passed since Eye of the Storm. ScrapeJane establishes that Colchester died a few months ago. I don’t think the last two stories give us any idea of dating, so they could potentially be pushed further back. At one point they mention that one of their problems is a lack of rain, so considering that there’s no extra-terrestrial explanation and this is Wales we’re talking about, we’re probably back into the Summer by the end of God Among Us 3.
So I would try and have Aliens Among Us occur roughly just over three months as late as possible in 2017, with God Among Us picking up probably about a month or so later and taking place over a few months (at least 3 months but quite possibly more) within the first half of 2018.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 18, 2020 17:38:42 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Mar 7, 2020 13:06:26 GMT
All of Series 12 is in 2020 now. I’ve put The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood and House of Blue Fire in the middle of it, to fill the couple of months implied to have passed between Spyfall and Can You Hear Me?. The flashbacks in Can You Hear Me? have been put in 2017, as I believe they are three years prior to the main events (I haven’t rewatched yet).
Also slotted in the two stories of Donna Noble-Kidnapped! set on contemporary Earth in to where they belong relative to other Series 4 stories.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 20, 2020 12:28:23 GMT
Farewell, Sarah Jane has been added. I’m going by release date, so put it in 2020.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 20, 2020 12:31:21 GMT
Farewell, Sarah Jane has been added. I’m going by release date, so put it in 2020. It’s also mentioned that it takes place in Spring, so that narrows it down a bit more.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 20, 2020 12:34:50 GMT
Also just added Dark Universe, as I understand it’s in 2020 for Ace. I’ve put it after Farewell, as Ace speaks with some fondness towards the Doctor there whereas in Dark Universe they part on quite bad terms (from what I understand on wiki).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 20, 2020 12:39:14 GMT
Also just added Dark Universe, as I understand it’s in 2020 for Ace. I’ve put it after Farewell, as Ace speaks with some fondness towards the Doctor there whereas in Dark Universe they part on quite bad terms (from what I understand on wiki). The wiki is wrong. I don’t know why it says Dark Universe is in 2020, because I don’t think that’s ever said in the story. In fact, I had it placed circa 2010 as Ace says she hasn’t seen the Doctor for 20 years and the last recorded meeting they have is in 1990 as per An Alien Werewolf in London. Plus I take At Childhood’s End into account, which is set in January 2020 and has Ace finally reconcile with the Doctor.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 20, 2020 13:27:10 GMT
Also just added Dark Universe, as I understand it’s in 2020 for Ace. I’ve put it after Farewell, as Ace speaks with some fondness towards the Doctor there whereas in Dark Universe they part on quite bad terms (from what I understand on wiki). The wiki is wrong. I don’t know why it says Dark Universe is in 2020, because I don’t think that’s ever said in the story. In fact, I had it placed circa 2010 as Ace says she hasn’t seen the Doctor for 20 years and the last recorded meeting they have is in 1990 as per An Alien Werewolf in London. Plus I take At Childhood’s End into account, which is set in January 2020 and has Ace finally reconcile with the Doctor. Corrected. I do wish the wiki would be more accurate with what years it places stories.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 23, 2020 0:25:59 GMT
I’ve been going over the UNIT audios to make sure the dating is as accurate as we can possibly get it based on the little evidence we have. I’ve not really factored in The Power of Three because it’s placement is just difficult.
There’s quite a lot of major spoilers ahead so be warned:
UNIT: Extinction Josh Carter is a new recruit and gets a plastic skeleton at the end. It’s after the death of the Brigadier so can go no earlier than the year 2012 as we know that he dies in December 2011. Shindi gets seriously injured during the Auton attack. I’d Place this tentatively around May just to fit it in with going not too long before where I’ve placed Shutdown which I’ll explain below.
UNIT: Shutdown Osgood recalls fighting Autons in the Gobi desert and Josh has plastic bones so it’s definitely after Extinction. Osgood also says in the last episode that the events of the Boxset have taken place over the course of a week. Sam Bishop mentions when he arrives in Antarctica in the last episode that it’s the middle of the winter there and the sun won’t come up for another three weeks. Apparently the Antarctic winter ends in September/October time and because of this Ahistory has Shutdown set in August, but doing some digging it appears that when light begins to return depends on how close you are to the Pole and on the coast light returns much earlier. It’s heavily implied in the story that they’re in the British Antarctic territory and that’s mostly by the coast, so I’m perfectly happy to believe that this takes place much earlier than August, in order to fit the rest of the Boxset in better. In fact, in Antarctica they celebrate midwinter which is usually June 21st and is the darkest and shortest day of the year, and after that it gradually begins to get light again, so I’d like to think that this was what Sam was referencing as happening in 3 weeks, thus placing Shutdown in early June. It’s a bit reachy I know, and I don’t always like to be so specific about these things but if it’s helps, the Boxset itself was also released in June.
UNIT: Silenced In Episode 1, Shindi returns fo duty for the first time following his injury in Extinction, but he’s still in a wheelchair. Osgood apologises for not coming to see him, but he says that she was busy in Antarctica, suggesting that Extinction, Shutdown and Silenced all occur fairly close together. Supporting this, Kate undergoes extra weapons training at the beginning of this story because she thinks that her encounter with Cerberus in Shutdown was too close a call. Episode 3 takes place a month after Episode 1. Episode 4 then picks up “months” after the end of Episode 3. The Prime Minister has managed to scrape back into office following her forced resignation and the rigged election and has been back in office for two weeks. Josh returns from leave following his mind control over the first three episodes and is put on light duty, meaning that we can’t actually put anything between episodes 3 and 4 because Josh is in every Boxset, which is annoying. Josh actually reckons that only 2-3 weeks have passed since episode 3 but Shindi maintains its been months and Kate also says that it’s been a few months. As Josh’s mind appears to still be influenced by the Silence I guess that’s why his memories are messed up. So I would have this begin not long after Shutdown in June, then jump to July in episode 3 and then finish a couple of months later in September or October in episode 4.
UNIT: Assembled Basically the technology from Shutdown is used here as part of the resolution and because there’s not really any gaps before or during Silenced, it has to go after, so there’s no fighting release order yet. I say this because there’s been a habit of people moving this Boxset to pre-Extinction which I think is probably more to do with misinterpretation of a few lines in Shutdown more than anything but it still can’t work anyway. Jo and Osgood strike up a friendship which will be important later. The effects of the weather machine from Shutdown cause icy weather in the UK, and they mention that winter has come early so it can’t take place too late in the year. I’d set this in September or October depending on when you have Silenced end.
UNIT: Encounters In the first episode, UNIT got fake passports from Jacqui McGee who they now associate with which is a response to the events of Silenced where she basically defeated the Silence single-handedly. I don’t think her and UNIT even cross paths between Extinction and Silenced so this definitely has to be later. The second episode begins on Halloween and then moves into the next day, so that gives the set a clear placement of late October to early November.
UNIT: Cyber-Reality Osgood mentions that they’ve been tracking the Auctioneers for a few months now, so considering the October/November placement of Encounters, we’re very likely into a new year by now, if not the very very end of December. Shindi references black cubes in a way that sounds like a reference to The Power of Three but it would also make it sound like the complete events of The Power of Three have played out by this point.
UNIT: Revisitations Hosts of the Wirrn picks up immediately after the end of Cyber-Reality with the Master leaving UNIT with a Wirrn egg as a “parting gift”. The other two stories are pretty standalone, but Open the Box does reference the events of False Negative in Encounters.
Lady Christina This set features a sort of sequel to The Sontaran Project from Encounters and Sam Bishop refers to the fall of the Auctioneers which happened at the end of Cyber-Reality. Sam is in charge of the cleanup operation and basically the arc of this set involves groups trying to step into the shoes of the Auctioneers, so I wouldn’t put this that long after Cyber-Reality and thus after Hosts of the Wirrn as well. Whether you want to set it during or after Revisitations is up to you.
UNIT: Incursions This Sleep of Death puts itself pretty explicitly in 2019 by claiming that soldiers that went missing in 1999 have been gone for 20 odd years. That doesn’t really fly though so you can either ignore it or bump that episode forward to 2019 and just assume that the second Osgood is away on another mission. In Tempest, Sam recalls their encounters with Daleks and Cybermen so basically this confirms that all the UNIT Boxsets take place in order of release. The Power of River Song has Osgood transported back in time to 1973. Kate says that this is 40 years in the past. Osgood and River later go forward in time to 2091. Kate clearly has her maths wrong because she says it’s 70 years in the future, but that would mean the present is much closer to 2020 and that doesn’t work with 1973 being 40 years in the past. However Osgood says that 2091 is 80 years in her future while River says that Kate is almost 80 years in the past, so I’m guessing that the present day is just shy of 80 years before 2091, so let’s say 78 years. Which would mean the present day is 2013, which is 40 years after 1973 and almost 80 years before 2091. UNIT have this device that lets them talk to each other in different time zones. It actually turns up in The Sacrifice of Jo Grant by the same writer. Kate has no idea who River Song is in this story but there’s a picture of them together in the Black Archive in Day of the Doctor so it’s more than likely before that. River suggests that Osgood has met the Doctor and Osgood neither confirms nor denies this which is terribly vague, but I suppose she meets the Third Doctor in The Sacrifice of Jo Grant which I’ll explain below.
The Sacrifice of Jo Grant Osgood and Jo are now pretty close friends and seem to be going on monthly day trips together so this is after Assembled but probably quite a while after. Osgood invents a device that allows her to talk to Kate and Jo after they fall into the Time anomaly, although it’s very crude and only just works. At the end of the story the Doctor fixes it up to work properly and allows gives it the ability to track energy signatures across time zones which is exactly what the device in The Power of River Song did, so this pretty much has to go sometime before that. The best slot for it is probably between Hosts of the Wirrn and The Power of River Song as all the stories in that gap are standalone and aren’t caught up in any kind of arc except the Lady Christina Boxset. The Doctor meets Kate for the first time and figures out who she is, it doesn’t seem as though he forgets these events. But then, he also appears to briefly meet with Osgood as well. They speak across the time zones using Osgood’s device and then they seem to meet “offscreen” when the Doctor comes to help them rescue Jo at the end. So basically Osgood meets the Doctor before Day of the Doctor, and we’ve got to decide how much sense that actually makes. I don’t think it does too much harm providing it’s a brief encounter because Osgood pretty much has an asthmatic attack from the excitement of meeting the Third Doctor as though she’s never met the Doctor before and is if anything less calm than she was in Day of the Doctor so maybe it’s okay?
Narcissus The Two Osgoods are getting under each other’s feet and struggling to get along. Apparently one of them usually works from home. One of them is very obviously a Zygon, making use of her powers and referring to being a hatchling and stuff and her increased strength while the other basically just acts like the same Osgood that appears in every other UNIT audio. It’s heavily implied that this one is the human one, with the Zygon one saying that she’s more likely to survive dangerous missions and also one of the Osgoods has romantic feelings for Josh while the other one (who’s clearly the Zygon one) doesn’t. They’ve lost an Osgood before so it’s after Series 9 and as it’s set on 8th March, I’d put it in 2016.
Tl;dr - Series 1 - 5 take place roughly from May/June to November of one year, with Series 6 taking place a few months later more than likely in the following year. Series 7 picks up immediately after Series 6. The Sacrifice of Jo Grant goes before the last episode of Series 8. All Boxsets must go in release order and they all go before Day of the Doctor.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 28, 2020 16:05:47 GMT
Oh god UNIT’s continuty is all over the place. So let’s go back to basics- The Power of Three starts in July and ends a year later. No years are specified, probably because like every present day story in latter day Moffat era no one involved in writing appears to have any idea what year it was supposed to be. It appears to be Kate’s first meeting with the Doctor, as she seems genuinely surprised by him knowing her identity in the second half of the story. No Osgood. The Day of the Doctor. No date of any kind is given, Kate is familiar with the Doctor and has Osgood with her. Osgood appears to be starstruck with the Doctor, using her inhaler frequently. Death in Heaven. No date again and no firm indication how long it’s been for UNIT since Day. One Osgood dies. Kate is very familiar with the Doctor by now, being totally unfazed by him having regenerated. The Zygon Invasion/ The Zygon Inversion. 2 years after start of Operation Double in the aftermath of The Day of the Doctor. An Osgood has died and a new one is recruited. No date is given, but it cannot be later than 2016 as Class establishes Clara is dead by then. However there’s a Titan Comic which also has two Osgoods in 2015, which unhelpfully narrows the time frame even further. (Comics and novels will be added to the timeline one day, though it may cost my sanity). So Zygon is probably in 2015, putting Day in 2013. Now for adding Big Finish, so we have (thanks themeddlingmonk)- May: Extinction June: Shutdown June: Silenced (1-2) August: Silenced (3) October: Silenced (4) October: Assembled October: Encounters (1-2) November: Encounters (2-4) ‘Months Later’: Cyber-Reality Revisitations (1) Lady Christina Revisitations (2-4) Incursions (1) The Legacy of Time Incursions (2-4) ... March: The Eighth of March-Narcissus So how to fit this round the TV stories. The intent appears to be everything bar Eighth of March is pre- Day. Ok. That means the series must start in the year before Day, to fit the many months that are mentioned as passing over the course of the year. This probably means at least some of the series has to be before The Power of Three, as that can’t be pushed back due to other Series 7 stories. So my questions. Is there anything acknowledging The Power of Three in any of the UNIT stories? Secondly, aside from the apparent behind the scenes intent, what is there in the stories that definitively puts the UNIT series pre- Day?
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Post by sherlock on Apr 28, 2020 16:12:55 GMT
In other updates, I’ve put the new Class stories in the same gap in the series as the previous sets. One of the story synopsis mentions Halloween, so used that to determine everything prior is in October and the one audio after it in November. This could be wrong, as I haven’t heard it myself (much as I’d like to, can’t quite justify the bundle atm).
Oh and someone on the TARDIS Wiki claimed that Cardiff Unknown Podcast mentions Proper Grub, the company Jack and Jo investigate in The Green Life, so I’ved moved The Green Life to after the Podcast. I hope this is accurate.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 28, 2020 16:54:20 GMT
In other updates, I’ve put the new Class stories in the same gap in the series as the previous sets. One of the story synopsis mentions Halloween, so used that to determine everything prior is in October and the one audio after it in November. This could be wrong, as I haven’t heard it myself (much as I’d like to, can’t quite justify the bundle atm). Oh and someone on the TARDIS Wiki claimed that Cardiff Unknown Podcast mentions Proper Grub, the company Jack and Jo investigate in The Green Life, so I’ved moved The Green Life to after the Podcast. I hope this is accurate. Yeah I think that was me, but it might be wrong as Jack and Jo actually let proper grub stay open so it could theoretically come before. I’ve not finished the second class set so I can’t comment exactly on the placement yet but it’s going to be difficult. All of the stories are explicitly post-Night Visiting at least but that Halloween one might need to go earlier than some of the others as TV episode 1 takes place on 14/15 October, then TV episode 2 takes place a week later (and there doesn’t seem to be any adventures in that time) so it’s a tight gap.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 29, 2020 11:15:49 GMT
{Class: Volume 3} The Soers' Ditch - Charlie/Matteusz and Ram/April are couples, plus Matteusz lives with Charlie and Quill so it’s definitely after Night Visiting. Whether that’s before or after Episodes 4/5 is up to the individual.
Catfish - Matteusz has recently been kicked out by his parents and Ram/April are a couple so again definitely after Night Visiting.
Sweet Nothings - Quill still has the Arn so it’s before Episodes 6/7. Matteusz lives with Charlie and Quill so it’s after Night Visiting.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 29, 2020 11:21:47 GMT
{Class: Volume 3} The Soers' Ditch - Charlie/Matteusz and Ram/April are couples, plus Matteusz lives with Charlie and Quill so it’s definitely after Night Visiting. Whether that’s before or after Episodes 4/5 is up to the individual.
Catfish - Matteusz has recently been kicked out by his parents and Ram/April are a couple so again definitely after Night Visiting.
Sweet Nothings - Quill still has the Arn so it’s before Episodes 6/7. Matteusz lives with Charlie and Quill so it’s after Night Visiting.
{Class: Volume 4} Mock - Quill still has the Arn so it’s before 6/7. The headteacher is a woman and Quill implies that she’d be okay with her giving kids answers to a test if there was alien intervention involved so it’s definitely a reference to Dorothea Ames. So between Brave-ish Heart and Detained.
The Creeper - There’s honestly no continuity markers that I’ve picked up on. Ram doesn’t appear and his relationship with April isn’t made clear and I don’t think it’s mentioned whether Matteusz is living with Charlie or anything like that. As it’s set on Halloween, id probably put it as early as possible but maybe still after Night Visiting.
Queen of Rhodia - It’s set directly between The Metaphysical Engine and The Lost. It actually leads right into The Lost. Quill is basically having a fever dream while in her pregnancy hibernation and the cracks in time have caused it to manifest physically. Charlie also mentions that he hasn’t spoken to the rest of the gang for a few days.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 29, 2020 11:42:44 GMT
Edited the timeline for Class accordingly. I also shuffled Gifted and Everybody Loves Reagan to post-Brave-ish Heart as there’s mentions of a new headmistress there too and if Mock is there anyway it’s clear the gap is bigger than I’d previously assumed.
Also debuted the grand attempt to fix UNIT. So the UNIT timeline is now May 2012-Extinction June 2012-Shutdown June 2012-Silenced (1-2) July 2012-Silenced (3) September 2012-Silenced (4) September 2012-Assembled October/November 2012-Encounters Mid 2013-Cyber-Reality Mid 2013-Revisitations (1) Mid 2013-Lady Christina July 2013-The Power of Three (First half) [Osgood’s absence here might be attributed to ongoing clear up operations after the fall of the Auctioneers] Mid 2013-Revisitations (2-4) Mid 2013-The Legacy of Time Mid 2013-Incursions Mid 2013-The Day of the Doctor Early 2014-Death in Heaven July 2014-The Power of Three (Second half) [No Osgood here as one Osgood is dead and the other has disappeared as mentioned in The Zygon Invasion. Sadly we lose the idea of Kate being surprised by the Doctor knowing who she is, ah well] Early 2015-The Magician’s Apprentice Mid 2015-The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion September 2015-Clara Oswald and the School of Death [Comics will be added one day] March 2016-The Eighth of March
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 29, 2020 12:06:54 GMT
Well the argument with the Class timeline is basically to do with when Ram and April actually start dating. Because some would say that they start dating in episodes 4/5 but I would probably argue that it’s more ambiguous and they could’ve easily started dating before that.
The implication in the show is that there’s only a few days between Episode 5 and 6/7 because Ms Ames tells Quill to meet her on Monday to sort out the Arn but some have argued that that doesn’t necessarily mean that Episodes 6/7 actually happen then.
A month passes between episodes 1 and 5 and by Episode 8, a few months have passed.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 29, 2020 14:10:03 GMT
Now for adding Big Finish, So how to fit this round the TV stories. The intent appears to be everything bar Eighth of March is pre- Day. Ok. That means the series must start in the year before Day, to fit the many months that are mentioned as passing over the course of the year. This probably means at least some of the series has to be before The Power of Three, as that can’t be pushed back due to other Series 7 stories. So my questions. Is there anything acknowledging The Power of Three in any of the UNIT stories? Secondly, aside from the apparent behind the scenes intent, what is there in the stories that definitively puts the UNIT series pre- Day? Finally got around to answering this in detail. This will have a lot of the same information from the other post, but this one is less concerned with dating and more with the general order that they should go in despite dating issues that crop up. The Power of Three
Kate meets the Doctor for the first time. Having rewatched the other day I’ve come to the conclusion that the “Kate was pretending not to know him” explanation doesn’t really work and it just doesn’t make any sense for this not to be her first meeting with him. Obviously takes place over a year from July to July. Bizarrely in the June segment, Amy estimates that it’s been 9 months since the Cubes arrived rather than more like 11 as it should be. Brian’s log definitely establishes that it’s been a full year by the time it ends the following month though. One thing I’ll point out is that the Doctor is only around for the first week and then last month of the invasion so any worries about UNIT having a load of alien invasions while the Doctor is living with the Ponds aren’t really an issue. The Third Doctor figures out that Kate is the Brig’s daughter in Legacy of Time and she’s surprised there, so I reckon we can look at it as something of a running joke. ExtinctionObviously BF themselves said that this goes between The Power of Three and Day of the Doctor, so the intent is there. The Brigadier has already passed away, so it can’t take place any earlier than 2012 as we know the Brig passed away in December 2011. There’s not really any New Series references in it, mainly just classic Who so there’s nothing to definitely place it within the context of Series 7 and 8. Colonel Shindi is injured fighting the Autons and Josh Carter gets an Auton skeleton. Shutdown
Osgood mentions fighting Autons in the Gobi Desert, so this is after Extinction. Osgood daydreams about the Doctor arriving in the TARDIS at the Tower of London implying she’s yet to meet him. Shindi is absent. Atkins (From Day of the Doctor) is mentioned to be guarding the Black Archive. Silenced
Sam says that Osgoods can’t be duplicated, implying that this goes before Day of the Doctor. It’d be an odd thing to say if she had a twin running around, or an insensitive thing to say if her twin had just died in active duty. Kate gets extra weapons training following the events of Shutdown so it seems to be shortly after. Shindi returns to work but in a wheelchair and mentions that Osgood has been busy in Antarctica while he was recovering. One thing that I got a bit wrong before is that Shindi actually says that it’s been months since episode 1 rather than episode 3 (and we already know a month passes between 2 and 3) so there’s a lot more wiggle room there. Assembled
Osgood very explicitly hasn’t met the Doctor yet. Josh has Auton bones (and does in the previous two sets as well). The technology from Shutdown is used as part of the resolution. Jo and Osgood strike up a friendship. Encounters
UNIT find out about the Auctioneers. Episode 2 is on Halloween. Not a lot of helpful continuity here tbh. Sam Bishop has gone missing. Cyber-Reality
UNIT have been tracking the Auctioneers for the past few months. We find out what happened to Sam and he returns to UNIT. Shindi says "In my experience, a countdown on a black box left close to a site of national importance is never good.” I initially thought this was a reference to the ShakriCubes, but the more I think about it the more I think that this is just a reference to bombs and terrorism and the like. Shindi is unfamiliar with the sight of flying Cybermen and Osgood mentions how she can’t believe that she’s met the Master and survived, with the Master also saying how he’ll have to kill her another time so this is very definitely before Dark Water / Death in Heaven. Revisitations
Hosts of the Wirrn picks up immediately after Cyber-Reality with a Wirrn egg being the Master's Parting gift. There’s not really any continuity in the other stories. Lady Christina
After the Fall of the Auctioneers in Cyber-Reality. The Sacrifice of Jo Grant
Before The Power of River Song. Kate and Osgood meet the Third Doctor. Osgood doesn’t seem to have met the Doctor before, it’s more ambiguous with Kate but I’d say she probably had as she seems quite familiar with how he operates in a way that suggests personal experience over just hearing stories and reading files. Osgood and Jo are good friends so it’s after Assembled. IncursionsNot a lot of continuity in the first two other than referencing Encounters and Cyber-Reality. In The Power of River Song, Osgood doesn’t deny meeting the Doctor when River suggests she has, but doesn’t confirm in either. Plus she would’ve already met three at this point in The Sacrifice of Jo Grant. Kate has no idea who River is, but there’s a photo of her and River together in the Black Archive in Da of the Doctor which suggests it goes before that. Day of the DoctorOsgood appears to meet the Doctor for the first time, but maybe it’s just her first meeting with the Eleventh Doctor who she was shown to have daydreamed about meeting in Shutdown so maybe he was her favourite? That might be a way to wiggle around her having already met Three in Legacy of Time. Atkins dies in the Novelisation, setting this after Shutdown. River Song is pictured with Kate in the Black Archive suggesting a post-The Power of River Song setting.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 29, 2020 14:20:23 GMT
Edited the timeline for Class accordingly. I also shuffled Gifted and Everybody Loves Reagan to post- Brave-ish Heart as there’s mentions of a new headmistress there too and if Mock is there anyway it’s clear the gap is bigger than I’d previously assumed. Also debuted the grand attempt to fix UNIT. So the UNIT timeline is now May 2012-Extinction June 2012-Shutdown June 2012-Silenced (1-2) July 2012-Silenced (3) September 2012-Silenced (4) September 2012-Assembled October/November 2012-Encounters Mid 2013-Cyber-Reality Mid 2013-Revisitations (1) Mid 2013-Lady Christina July 2013-The Power of Three (First half) [Osgood’s absence here might be attributed to ongoing clear up operations after the fall of the Auctioneers] Mid 2013-Revisitations (2-4) Mid 2013-The Legacy of Time Mid 2013-Incursions Mid 2013-The Day of the Doctor Early 2014-Death in Heaven July 2014-The Power of Three (Second half) [No Osgood here as one Osgood is dead and the other has disappeared as mentioned in The Zygon Invasion. Sadly we lose the idea of Kate being surprised by the Doctor knowing who she is, ah well] Early 2015-The Magician’s Apprentice Mid 2015-The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion September 2015-Clara Oswald and the School of Death [Comics will be added one day] March 2016-The Eighth of March The Comic immediately before Clara Oswald and the School of Death also features UNIT (Just Kate though) and takes place in Summer 2015, and is set between Last Christmas and The Magicians Apprentice. So that basically means that The Magician's Apprentice, The Zygon Invasion/Inversion and Clara Oswald and the School of Death all take place in September 2015 as Clara is teaching in The Magician's Apprentice so it has to be after the summer holidays.
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Post by sherlock on May 11, 2020 14:54:34 GMT
BIG update- docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aVnz23GLZPMWZ0TxTTwOhXDN_wrtkvlJWhDal55ir00/edit?usp=sharingIn this Google document, I have expanded this timeline to include practically everything. DWM comics, Torchwood Magazine short stories, DWA comics, Titan comics, NAs, EDAs, NSAs...There will be things I’ve missed (I haven’t really looked at the Erimem series nor Candy Jar’s Lethbridge-Stewart). Surprisingly few issues. The main problem is Torchwood, which is hideously inconsistent. Pack Animals is Halloween and is before Gwen’s wedding, yet SkyPoint is in September and is after Gwen’s wedding. There’s a short story where Jack, Gwen and Ianto mark New Year, but that doesn’t match both Fragments and Children of Earth being in 2009. I’m guessing the Rift screwed with time a bit, or that Owen and Tosh just were busy on new year.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on May 11, 2020 15:39:22 GMT
BIG update- docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aVnz23GLZPMWZ0TxTTwOhXDN_wrtkvlJWhDal55ir00/edit?usp=sharingIn this Google document, I have expanded this timeline to include practically everything. DWM comics, Torchwood Magazine short stories, DWA comics, Titan comics, NAs, EDAs, NSAs...There will be things I’ve missed (I haven’t really looked at the Erimem series nor Candy Jar’s Lethbridge-Stewart). Surprisingly few issues. The main problem is Torchwood, which is hideously inconsistent. Pack Animals is Halloween and is before Gwen’s wedding, yet SkyPoint is in September and is after Gwen’s wedding. There’s a short story where Jack, Gwen and Ianto mark New Year, but that doesn’t match both Fragments and Children of Earth being in 2009. I’m guessing the Rift screwed with time a bit, or that Owen and Tosh just were busy on new year. This looks great from what I can see, just two things I noticed: Death in Blackpool is set in 2008. They were aiming for 2009 as that was Lucie’s present day, but ended up arriving a year earlier while she was still on earth during their separation between Series 2 and 3. Or at least, that’s the only way it makes sense as Lucie is explicitly from 2006 but Death in Blackpool is explicitly set in 2008. The Class timeline is way too tight for The Creeper to come as late as it is. As For Tonight We Might Die ends October 14 and The Coach with the Dragon Tattoo takes place a week later but also over 4 consecutive school days. A computer monitor actually says it ends on a Thursday which would mean it began on a Monday. A week on from October 14 is October 21, but then we need to push it a few days further to make it to Monday. So Coach with the Dragon Tattoo starts on Monday 24 and ends Thursday 27. Then you’ve only got a couple of days before Halloween and The Creeper happens. Also Night Visiting also has a computer monitor which says it takes place on a Thursday if that’s any use to you. Also about the Torchwood thing, it’s just gonna keep getting worse. Like the upcoming Tosh/Ianto story is set during Valentines Day, but there’s only one definitive year they could’ve been together then, which would be in 2008. But it’d also be during Jack’s absence between Series 1 and 2 unless there’s a huge gap between Out of Time and End of Days. So basically if they mention that Jack is around then it’ll have to be moved to 2009 which will pretty much confirm that Series 2 does spill into that year and then that New Year short story will be screwed up.
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