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Post by Ela on Nov 13, 2015 5:12:50 GMT
Every now and then I've listened to the download mp3 of a Big Finish story and I notice that the tracks seem to be out of order. Most of the time it's cause the metadata is subtly different on some of the tracks of the story. This happened for me with Brotherhood of the Daleks, Kingdom of Silver, Dark Eyes 3 and, possibly, The Rocket Men.Now it's happened to me in another download: Bernice Summerfield and the Criminal Code. I listened to it twice, and something seemed odd the first time I listened. The second time, I realized that Part 2 Track 3 and Part 2 Track 4 are probably reversed. And I don't see anything in the metadata this time around that would make them flip. But it would just make more sense if my current Part 2 track 4 came before my current Part 2 track 3. Anyone else observe this with any of these releases? Spoiler for Bernice Summerfield and the Criminal Code Part 2 track 4 in my current version starts: "I awoke in a makeshift cell."
Part 2 track 3 starts, "It was early evening now..." And she's apparently escaped but not clear how. And she's talking about "we" though it's not clear how she was a single prisoner and now she's with someone she she says "we". |
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Post by Tony Jones on Nov 13, 2015 8:36:00 GMT
Never noticed this. I have noticed some recent titles files as audiobooks on Media Monkey and I can't work out why. I've checked lots of tags
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Post by omega on Nov 13, 2015 8:47:43 GMT
It's odd that it happened with Criminal Code and no one's complained to BF. It was a Listeners ages ago, so that was when it would have been upgraded, and not need altering since. It's been on sale a few times since then, so it's especially strange no one has picked up on it.
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Post by Ela on Nov 13, 2015 16:27:54 GMT
It's not super obvious. I didn't think much of it the first time I listened, just though it was something odd. But the second time around, I thought it was pretty clear that Part 2 track 4 should come before Part 2 track 3. If you've listened to the release and read my spoiler in the first post of this thread, you can see why I think that.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 13, 2015 17:18:41 GMT
I get this issue all the time with some media players, drives me nuts, have switched to audiobooks format because it, but find that frustrating too as I have to remember where I was if I have to stop listening part way through at anytime.
Would love BF to produce MP3 with consistent, well thought out meta data, but that's been a dream for many years now (btw, it got a lot better about 2 or maybe 3 years ago, but it still quite a way from being 100%).
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Post by Ela on Nov 13, 2015 18:55:50 GMT
The error is not only on my iPod but also on iTunes on my computer. Sometimes errors like this occur on one device and not another from the same download.
I tried audio books a couple of time, but found them hard to figure out on my iPod. The mp3 files just work better for me, but wish Big Finish could be more careful about track labeling and metadata.
Sometimes things fall out of place cause one part is labeled "Big Finish Productions" and another is labeled "Big Finish." Or similar variations. Sometimes it's cause they list different actors (or in a different order) on part 1 vs part 2. Errors like that I can fix by editing the metadata.
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Post by glutamodo on Nov 13, 2015 19:31:03 GMT
I'm the other way around, while I like and prefer the MP3 format, I don't like lots of tiny files. I'd rather have one file per story or episode as the case may be. I prefer one MP3 file per standalone release, or per disc of a box set. So I get the audiobooks and then re-encode them to MP3, it's either that or merge the MP3 files, and I find it quicker overall to go with audiobook format for that.
I think only once did I run into a file that was out of order when I merged BF MP3s together.
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Post by randomjc on Nov 13, 2015 19:54:04 GMT
I run into the problem depending on media player, where some will sort by the track #s that are embedded in the file, while others sort by the titles. I've sat down and listened to the Scarifyers more than once, and got a good few tracks in before it sounded too off.
This all reminds me I always wanted to take Creatures of Beauty and set it on shuffle.
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Post by Ela on Nov 13, 2015 19:57:10 GMT
I'm the other way around, while I like and prefer the MP3 format, I don't like lots of tiny files. I'd rather have one file per story or episode as the case may be. I prefer one MP3 file per standalone release, or per disc of a box set. So I get the audiobooks and then re-encode them to MP3, it's either that or merge the MP3 files, and I find it quicker overall to go with audiobook format for that. I think only once did I run into a file that was out of order when I merged BF MP3s together. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding the problem here. I download the mp3 version of the story as an entirety and upload it to iTunes as an entirety. I'm not dealing with lots of tiny files in general, except in the rare instance where I find a problem with track order. The mp3 version of the story loads into iTunes as one album. What you're doing seems like a lot of extra work, to me. |
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Post by glutamodo on Nov 13, 2015 21:34:44 GMT
Uh, well maybe it works for you that way. Not for me, I don't use anything Apple. I manage my own library of music and audio files. And for that, one file is better than a bunch of small ones. Jago Litefoot and Strax was 19 files plus two bonus track files when downloaded in MP3 format. So either I merge those into one file or I download it in m4b format and convert it.
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Post by Ela on Nov 13, 2015 22:18:57 GMT
Whatever floats your boat.  If that's what works for you, who am I to say otherwise. I guess it works differently on Apple products than on the system you are using. |
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Post by jasonward on Nov 14, 2015 0:05:33 GMT
Yeah, I don't touch anything associated with Apple, it's not that they produce bad tech, but their lockin is a higher price than I want to pay for the ease of their stuff.
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Post by Ela on Nov 20, 2015 18:53:43 GMT
It's not super obvious. I didn't think much of it the first time I listened, just though it was something odd. But the second time around, I thought it was pretty clear that Part 2 track 4 should come before Part 2 track 3. If you've listened to the release and read my spoiler in the first post of this thread, you can see why I think that. So, I got an email from Joe at Big Finish and he confirmed that the tracks I specified are out of order on the mp3 download of Bernice Summerfield and the Criminal Code. They will fix it and put up a new corrected mp3 download of the story. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 21:11:03 GMT
I'm the other way around, while I like and prefer the MP3 format, I don't like lots of tiny files. I'd rather have one file per story or episode as the case may be. I prefer one MP3 file per standalone release, or per disc of a box set. So I get the audiobooks and then re-encode them to MP3, it's either that or merge the MP3 files, and I find it quicker overall to go with audiobook format for that. I think only once did I run into a file that was out of order when I merged BF MP3s together. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding the problem here. I download the mp3 version of the story as an entirety and upload it to iTunes as an entirety. I'm not dealing with lots of tiny files in general, except in the rare instance where I find a problem with track order. The mp3 version of the story loads into iTunes as one album. What you're doing seems like a lot of extra work, to me. The single file download is an m4b file, not an mp3, so it will only play on apple software. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk |
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Post by Ela on Nov 20, 2015 21:15:01 GMT
Which file downloads as an m4b file? You're confusing me again. I download the mp3 version of the story. I open the zip file and generally there is a folder containing all the tracks in mp3 format. Yes, it's multiple tracks, so multiple little files. but Apple iTunes is able to upload it all at once and then display it in iTunes as an "album." I don't have to deal with the multiple little files or upload them individually. We may be talking past each other.  |
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Post by glutamodo on Nov 20, 2015 21:26:21 GMT
I think he was just explaining why I go through those extra steps. Now I actually can play audiobook format on my MP3 player but it's kind of a PITA, and I prefer one large file per story or segment in MP3 format. Playing the individual smaller MP3s is problematic in that my player pauses between tracks, and that annoys the heck out of me. When I use MP3 Merge I still get a pause but it's so small that I don't notice it half the time.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 21, 2015 12:13:57 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm not understanding the problem here. I download the mp3 version of the story as an entirety and upload it to iTunes as an entirety. I'm not dealing with lots of tiny files in general, except in the rare instance where I find a problem with track order. The mp3 version of the story loads into iTunes as one album. What you're doing seems like a lot of extra work, to me. The single file download is an m4b file, not an mp3, so it will only play on apple software. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk mb4 files are part of the MPEG4 - Part 14 standard I have no idea what if any input Apple had in the standards creation (my guess none, Apple seem to prefer propriety solutions), there shouldn't be any problem finding media players to play the format, certainly the many I've tried in the last two years have all played m4b files. |
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Post by elkawho on Nov 21, 2015 13:02:01 GMT
I've had the track mix up only once, on Brotherhood Of The Daleks. But I'm not sure if listening to it in the right order helped all that much. I'm having a different problem now. It used to be that I would download the mp3 format and it would bel listed in my downloads as one file. Then I would burn a CD and transfer it to iTunes where it would be separated into individual tracks. All of a sudden it is being downloaded as separate tracks and I have to move them individually into a playlist on iTunes. Much more time consuming and annoying. |
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Post by glutamodo on Nov 21, 2015 13:02:48 GMT
I have had some problems with the format, so I decided to just keep everything MP3 instead. It's probably overkill on my part though, I probably should have tried to figure out what the issues were. I know in one instance it was a DRM thing (not a BF title, obviously, in that instance)
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Post by jasonward on Nov 21, 2015 13:15:56 GMT
MP3 downloads have always been separate files for separate chapters, although ZIPped up into one file, but nothing has changed in that respect either recently or in the past.
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