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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 0:15:08 GMT
Revolution Game felt very, very S1 of the 8DAs. Fits right in there with Phobos which it reminded me of quite a bit. A nice, breezy story. It really is good just having these lighter 8DA stories again without the doom and gloom of McGann's other ranges that have really become quite opressive in the past few years. Hearing this pair just knocking about having a laugh again...lovely. Perfect summer listening too. Though if I never hear the phrase "Glaswegian Kiss" again, it'll be too soon. I think it was about 50 times in that story.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 19, 2019 6:36:07 GMT
Enjoyable box set, Paul & Sheridan are bleedin magnificent as there chemistry oozes both charm & likability, each story is paced well & delivers plenty of great suspense & tense drama.
My personal favourite was Island Of The Fendahl & it was a nice twist that that story linked with The Dalek Trap.
4/5.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 25, 2019 19:20:56 GMT
I really enjoyed The House on the Edge of Chaos. A great big idea that literally allows for some nice worldbuilding and insights into the characters. My slight criticism is that great big idea is joined by a couple of other bits suddenly thrown into the mix in the end, which makes it feel a little rushed. Paul and Sheridan are joyful. Lovely stuff!
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 27, 2019 10:34:59 GMT
I thought Island of the Fendahl was great. Doctor Who does The Wicker Man in a full on sequel to Image that doesn’t feel derivative. I liked the connection back to The Dalek Trap, which added further substance to the Fendahl story, but it makes the Dalek one feel all the more hollow.
I do have a slight criticism, which it shares with The Dalek Trap, and that some of the lines Lucie gets are reminiscent of a writer who’s never written for the character before: flippin’, piggin’ and the like. The actual material Lucie gets is very good, though.
Overall, a really shaky start to the set, followed by three stories that are fun, full of interaction between the two leads and wouldn’t go amiss in that first stories.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Aug 8, 2019 13:55:24 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2019 19:21:50 GMT
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 4, 2019 13:28:16 GMT
The Revolution Game
A fun action story which felt perfect for this team - and I'll get my one minor gripe out of the way first. The villains were EVIL CAPITALISTS! AGAAAAAIN!!
It does get more than a bit tiresome. Maybe one day, just for a change, it would be nice to get a story where the capitalists were good and the workers / SJWs were the baddies.
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Post by elkawho on Sept 4, 2019 13:33:21 GMT
The Revolution Game
A fun action story which felt perfect for this team - and I'll get my one minor gripe out of the way first. The villains were EVIL CAPITALISTS! AGAAAAAIN!!
It does get more than a bit tiresome. Maybe one day, just for a change, it would be nice to get a story where the capitalists were good and the workers / SJWs were the baddies. yes!!!
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Post by number13 on Sept 4, 2019 14:05:10 GMT
It does get more than a bit tiresome. Maybe one day, just for a change, it would be nice to get a story where the capitalists were good and the workers / SJWs were the baddies. yes!!! I loved 'Kerblam!' last year because it partly did that and totally pulled the wool bubblewrap over my eyes because of it! I was amazed when the 'nice guy' villain was revealed - then on second viewing I realised all the clues Pete McTighe had put in along the way and I'd missed every last one of them!
One of the BF 3DAs goes some way down that road too and again I was knocked over by the reveal - all my Who training had been leading me down a different path! {Spoiler} The Transcendence of Ephros
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 4, 2019 17:49:45 GMT
It does get more than a bit tiresome. Maybe one day, just for a change, it would be nice to get a story where the capitalists were good and the workers / SJWs were the baddies. yes!!! The problem you have though is when your main goal is profit, people tend get the short end of the stick. Which lends itself to making the workers the ones being put upon or exploited. Which isn’t to say there are not exceptions but that is certainly more true now than ever. So yeah, art is generally going to reflect that real world dynamic.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 4, 2019 18:38:47 GMT
It does get more than a bit tiresome. Maybe one day, just for a change, it would be nice to get a story where the capitalists were good and the workers / SJWs were the baddies. yes!!! I'd go with that too certainly a more mixed perspective
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 5, 2019 1:19:12 GMT
The Revolution Game (Only right now, typing the title, did I finally get the double meaning... not at my sharpest - or worse still, maybe I am! Anyway, I like the pun, now I've got it!) A fun action story which felt perfect for this team - and I'll get my one minor gripe out of the way first. The villains were EVIL CAPITALISTS! AGAAAAAIN!! Sorry, I may have over done that a little bit but really, those guys leave the Daleks standing for evil plans don't they, you can't turn round on Who these days without it's evil capitalists. What we all need to do, Comrades, is stop buying anything from anyone beyond local artisan crafters and then the capitalist system will collapse, there will be no more money or mass production and we can all (writers and producers of Who included) go back to living like our peasant ancestors did. Will you plough the field for subsistence crops today, or is it my turn? I was going to muck out the pigsty and hopefully barter three turnips for some used sackcloth to make a tunic from, but I'm happy to swap roles if you are. Well, I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone earning a living or having an improved standard of living, and I don't know what the answers to "the human condition" happen to be, but I still can see plenty of trouble in the world that seems to happen, whether it's economic, social, medical, or environmental, when some take the right to a capitalist lifestyle too far in the absence of limitations. Ordinary people have often had to fight terribly hard to make the progress against that that they have or I fear we might have much less to talk about when it comes to improved standards of living. It's pointless to try paint all corporations with the same brush, I'm sure, yet many have proven time and again to be unwilling to do right by the very people who put them where they are unless forced into a corner. From a story perspective I understand completely that too much of any theme can get tiresome, but somehow the lessons that stories can teach us about preserving our humanity though preserving our priorities never seem to get less timely. I hope I live to see the day that such stories become less relevant, but I'm not terribly optimistic about that. For whatever it's worth, I think of stories like that as not being about the evils of capitalism, but about the evils of greed, which I'm sure is just as applicable independent of capitalism.
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Post by elkawho on Sept 5, 2019 12:08:44 GMT
I wish I was a writer. To me, the idea of socialism has the potential to do so much more harm than capitalism. I actually believe there is MORE greed in socialism than there is in capitalism, and more room for corruption. I would love to see Doctor Who start telling stories of this kind. That people can make better decisions with the fruits of their own labor than an overreaching government can. But then again, diversity of thought is sorely lacking in entertainment these days, as it is in many areas.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 5, 2019 15:38:04 GMT
Am listening to this throughout this week. I had hoped we would have got the Nick Briggs version of the theme tune that was in series 2-4 of the EDAs. It took a wee bit of getting used to, butI have rather missed it. The David Arnold version is probably my all-time least favourite version.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Sept 9, 2019 15:09:23 GMT
I wish I was a writer. To me, the idea of socialism has the potential to do so much more harm than capitalism. I actually believe there is MORE greed in socialism than there is in capitalism, and more room for corruption. I would love to see Doctor Who start telling stories of this kind. That people can make better decisions with the fruits of their own labor than an overreaching government can. But then again, diversity of thought is sorely lacking in entertainment these days, as it is in many areas. I don't feel like this is the place to have a lengthy debate on the merits on socialism vs capitalism, but I do echo griff's sentiment on systems themselves aren't bad, because they're not sentient and have no moral agency of their own. It's how people use them, though capitalism certainly hasn't made it easy for itself to be presented as more benevolent or less controlling, given certain recent administrations of big nations and how they've bent the c. system to harm disadvantadged groups and areas.
Now, in context of a Who story, yes of course there is. Kerblam did touch on some aspects of this, but as shown with the reaction to that, there is always a risk of it being percieved as buck-passing and putting the blame for underlying faults on someone else, rather than acknowleding the flaws in the given system.
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Post by nottenst on Sept 16, 2019 18:20:51 GMT
Finished the set this weekend. Overall, I enjoyed it a lot. The interviews at the end were quite fascinating. For one, there was the explanation of why they killed off Lucie Miller in To The Death. Lots of good extra information about those series.
Another interesting bit was about The Revolution Game and how the point of view was different from what we usually expect. This had the colonists on the bad side and the original "aliens" as "the good guys" as part of the idea behind the story. They did change things up by having some of the aliens being more radical in their approach. So, this story was not just a "villains as evil capitalists" story as some have complained about.
One thing that was more disturbing in The Revolution Game was The Doctor just taking Clegg's word that everyone was safe from the flood and then bursting the dam right then and there. It seemed a bit cavalier. Another thing about the dam, is why blow it up anyway? Usually there are mechanisms for releasing the water, which they could have accessed, especially with being invisible.
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Post by number13 on Sept 16, 2019 23:01:03 GMT
You're right, The Revolution Game wasn't just a villains = evil capitalists story and I enjoyed it very much, great fun with Lucie on rollerblades! But the business owners were evil villains yet again, that was the complaint I had with it at least. (Making products out of the dormant bodies of intelligent beings is about as 'evil capitalist' as it gets!)
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Post by mark687 on Jan 13, 2021 13:34:56 GMT
The full "Homeland" Sea Shanty from "The Dalek Trap" with Lyrics performed by Helen Goldwyn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 13:38:11 GMT
It’s already over a year old this set of adventures is it just me or is time suddenly flying by very very very fast 😂
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Post by Chakoteya on Mar 23, 2021 12:01:58 GMT
Just revisiting House on the Edge of Chaos... and getting a Gormenghast vibe this time around... Did anyone else feel like that when they listened?
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