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Post by tuigirl on Jul 12, 2019 7:31:04 GMT
Well I've lived for 44 years & never have i seen somebody just break into a song Just don't like em, i find them strangely irritating. Maybe the next time i do the shopping I'll break into song in isle 6 & see what happens next . It doesn't go full Singin' In The Rain but certainly in my work we sing all the time, one person will just quietly start and we'll join in. What happens next, as you ask, is you have fun and people bond firm and fast. It went from an office thing to monthly team trips to the curry-oke And you should sing in places like Supermarkets - it's much more depressing than this world where people seem to want to avoid eye contact with others for fear of missing something on their phone. FWIW my mother is the same - can't handle films where people burst into song unless they're doing it in narrative, on stage etc. So she could handle a Bohemian Rhapsody for example as the singing is all happening for "real" but she can't get her head round why Jean Valjean needs to sing that he stole some bread in Les Mis, rather than just say he did. Different strokes for different folks, to quote Sly Stone. What a fun work place! I have to say that my attitude towards these musical numbers in films and shows has changed by 180 degrees. As a kid and teen I absolutely HATED all these Disney shows where they start singing all the time.
I did not like to sing along when we did singing in school. I despised Musicals.
I am not sure what exactly changed this, maybe it was long nights at the camp fire when I was at the scouts. But now I am known for whistling or humming or even full on singing when I am in a good mood (when appropriate, my work mates would most likely kill me). But I have indeed done this several times before in the supermarket. Since I have more or less accepted that I am different to other people, stares by other people just ping off me by now. I do not really care anymore. I have learned the hard way what REAL problems are.
I now love these musical Disney movies and I love musicals and music shows in general.
I loved BF's The Pirates.
And I really wish they had McGann singing more often (as long as it makes sense in context, we do not necessarily need the Doctor spontaneously singing in a supermarket, although, thinking about it, this might be quite fun, too ) He has such a lovely voice. How can you not like that?
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Post by drj on Jul 12, 2019 21:46:43 GMT
I’ve listened to The Dalek Trap twice now and am missing the “clever bit” people are alluding to and feeling a bit dim. If anyone could enlighten me under spoilers or a PM that would be much appreciated!
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Post by mark687 on Jul 12, 2019 23:38:57 GMT
I’ve listened to The Dalek Trap twice now and am missing the “clever bit” people are alluding to and feeling a bit dim. If anyone could enlighten me under spoilers or a PM that would be much appreciated! You need to hear the whole set or know your Doctor Who History
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Post by jerryrotta on Jul 13, 2019 6:48:48 GMT
Didn't think this needs a thread if it's own... why doesn't the lucie miller collection include the short trips?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 8:12:42 GMT
Hey friendly question. Why do you not like musicals? Well I've lived for 44 years & never have i seen somebody just break into a song Just don't like em, i find them strangely irritating. Maybe the next time i do the shopping I'll break into song in isle 6 & see what happens next . I do it all the time normally with my headphones on and then burst into song I only know am doing it when folks stare at me on the bus🤪
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 13, 2019 10:02:39 GMT
Well I've lived for 44 years & never have i seen somebody just break into a song Just don't like em, i find them strangely irritating. Maybe the next time i do the shopping I'll break into song in isle 6 & see what happens next . I do it all the time normally with my headphones on and then burst into song I only know am doing it when folks stare at me on the bus🤪 I could have guessed.
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 13, 2019 10:12:55 GMT
Finished House at the edge of chaos. Well {Spoiler} from the description, I had expected that we would meet THE static instead of just A static
So I was a bit disappointed by that. And the society in the house was something that reminded me very much of what had been done in Chimes of Midnight.
While I did enjoy listening to this story, I just did not think that it did anything overly original. Or different.
Well, now on to the last story....
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Post by number13 on Jul 13, 2019 12:12:17 GMT
The Dalek Trap Like many of us, I've recently relistened to Series 1 of the Eight+Lucie adventures which 'immediately' precede this set. And thanks to the time-defying brilliance of Sheridan Smith and Paul McGann, I felt I really was listening to a new story from the same, original run. It's as if this Dalek story was 1.09 in the 8DAs, excellent! And Lucie even (re)introduces herself to the Daleks just as she did on Red Rocket Rising and they take it literally, again. Daleks have no sense of irony! Really enjoyed the mysterious story which takes a satisfyingly long time to reveal even part of the mystery, and I liked the sense of confusion in the middle sections - it's deliberately confusing for us AND for all the characters as something drains their wills and memories - and it was Lucie Miller who held onto her wits the longest and pulled the Doctor clear so he could save everyone - go Lucie! Making it a relatively 'Doctor-lite' story so Lucie could take centre-stage was a very nice gesture to welcome Sheridan Smith back to her classic role and worked very well in the story too. And the Daleks were telling the truth for once. They weren't controlling the Doctor, something else was controlling him and controlling the Daleks too, that mysterious 'darkness' which must have wanted them to make the lifeline for itself. Now what might it be...? I haven't heard the second half of the set yet so I'm not 100% sure, and I've avoided reading synopses / hearing the trailer for fear of spoilers - but I think the link was there in the sighting of the TARDIS at the start of the story and a fairly big giveaway is staring us right in the face... hard to look away from it in fact... which means something very ancient and very very evil was in that box... {Spoiler}Fetch the rocksalt and the fruitcake, please, I think we're going to need them!
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 13, 2019 22:37:44 GMT
Just finished up the box set. I definitely enjoyed the last episode the most- it was a lot of fun. I liked the setting and the threat plus of course all the little comedic bits. Hippies indeed! I nearly died imagining the Doctor dabbing other Hippie bottoms blue. That would just be the thing he would do, wouldn't it? Also, thumbs up for the weird German person. Great to see we are not only villain material, we also have some proper weirdos over here. Is it just me, or do German characters pop up in Big Finish more and more recently? Might be a wave to us fans over here on the continent. Waving back. So, what do I think of the set overall? It was interesting. It was a nice change of pace from the other, darker, 8th Doctor stories. Lucie, for me at least, is not as annoying anymore as she was when I first heard her. But still, she will never become my favorite. Would I buy another one if this was made a series? Very likely. There are certainly worse things to listen to or to watch out there. And a lot less fun. However, I just really enjoy my 8th Doctor dark and on the run- cannot wait for the next Ravenous. And of course the Time War stories next month.
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Post by number13 on Jul 14, 2019 11:44:26 GMT
The Revolution Game
(Only right now, typing the title, did I finally get the double meaning... not at my sharpest - or worse still, maybe I am! Anyway, I like the pun, now I've got it!)
A fun action story which felt perfect for this team - and I'll get my one minor gripe out of the way first. The villains were EVIL CAPITALISTS! AGAAAAAIN!! Sorry, I may have over done that a little bit but really, those guys leave the Daleks standing for evil plans don't they, you can't turn round on Who these days without it's evil capitalists. What we all need to do, Comrades, is stop buying anything from anyone beyond local artisan crafters and then the capitalist system will collapse, there will be no more money or mass production and we can all (writers and producers of Who included) go back to living like our peasant ancestors did. Will you plough the field for subsistence crops today, or is it my turn? I was going to muck out the pigsty and hopefully barter three turnips for some used sackcloth to make a tunic from, but I'm happy to swap roles if you are.
Back on-topic, I thought the story was all excellently done with convincing world-building and the EC's motive was original and properly nasty, tying in perfectly with the well-imagined natural gifts of the alien biology. (And to be fair, do we expect alternative energy to be evil? That was a surprise.) And I loved the idea of the aliens learning human culture from public film nights - even though Heliumcorp were baddies, they had a great taste in old movies with those Roman epics, some of my favourites! I also liked the idea of the division within the aliens, the hardcore Spartacus aiming for destruction but the younger members of the species seeing there was good in human culture as well as bad, and trying to follow a peaceful route with some human allies (loved the idea of them sitting invisible, with popcorn, watching the games!)
My top highlight is easy: The rollerblade circus maximus starring Lucie as Ben-H er, aka 'Glasgow Kiss' aka 'Blackpool Rock', tearing up the track and making a 'gesture of victory' (yeh, right it was!) to the Doctor. I thought, what other Companions might have done that? Leela obviously, but for her it would have been a deadly serious business. Maybe only Lucie could flatten the field of opponents, lead her team across the winning line and make it so much fun!
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 14, 2019 14:25:29 GMT
I thought The Dalek Trap was meh.
A very average runaround and structurally all over the place. It doesn’t really know what it’s doing and tries to make it a mystery to cover it all up. The Daleks do nothing.
I understand that there’s hints towards an overall arc, which is a pleasant surprise, but these are four separate stories written by four separate writers. I think they should be relatively standalone, whereas this seems to exist purely to set up the arc; it doesn’t feel at all resolved.
The lack of interaction between the Doctor and Lucie was a mistake, especially for the first story in the set. It buy into it being a platform for Lucie, but that could come later in the set, especially as Sheridan Smith is great, but some of the material she’s given is rough. Overuse of “Lucie bleedin’ Miller”, along with plenty of “flippin’”, “blinkin’”; examples of dialogue from a writer who isn’t from the north! It’s almost derogatory, used to highlight the fact that Lucie speaks differently. There’s also the forced mentions of Auntie Pat and Lucie saying “Oh, Doctor, you’ll be the death of me!”. It’s clumsy retrospective foreshadowing. What makes this all the more strange is the story is written by Nick Briggs. He’s written for Lucie plenty, so why he writes her like this is bizarre. Another thing is the moral dilemma the Doctor gives her at the end - it’s obvious what her response will be, so there’s no drama.
On a more positive note, the music is great and I am looking forward to the other stories. I want more of the Doctor and Lucie pairing! I also thought that Raz sounded uncannily like Elsie from Car Share, if anyone knows what I’m talking about? It gave me a chuckle anyway, simple minds and all that.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Jul 15, 2019 19:58:23 GMT
Nicely written set featuring a character I never liked, but I have to say that for once I didn't mind Lucie.
I did find it utterly ridiculous when the Daleks addressed her as "Lucie Bleeding Miller" - came across as a pointless gag to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 20:48:35 GMT
Nicely written set featuring a character I never liked, but I have to say that for once I didn't mind Lucie. I did find it utterly ridiculous when the Daleks addressed her as "Lucie Bleeding Miller" - came across as a pointless gag to me. I don't mind the gag too much but surely I can't be the only one who thinks it's the exact same joke as the Daleks knowing the correct response to Harriet Jones introducing herself back in The Stolen Earth. For "Lucie Bleedin' Miller" read "Yes, we know who you are." So at least they've got form for smashing the fourth wall! I'm going to try and do a story a month rather than the whole set, partially to savour, partially because of the most insane backlog. Plus it'll be like I've got a McGann monthly range back. "Big Finish. It's teatime in 2008 all over again..."
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Post by elkawho on Jul 16, 2019 13:16:25 GMT
Great set for my favorite companion. I thought The Dalek Trap was the weakest of the bunch. As much as I love Lucy and enjoy her when she's on her own, I think both her and Eight shine the most when they are interacting and getting through an adventure with each other. The Revolution Game was good, and I enjoyed Spartacus and the imagination that went into creating those aliens so much. I do agree with number13 that I've had enough of the "evil capitalist" trope. It's way overused. I think it's time for the "evil communist dictator" to show up. To me that's much more believable. The last 2 stories were my favorites of the set, and I did love how it all fit together. Part of me was thinking that the sentient house would harken back to Edward Lane (I think that's the name. Haven't heard it for a while) and Chimes. Kind of glad it didn't in the end, but it was certainly going through my mind while listening.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 16, 2019 18:22:04 GMT
Aha, that’s more like it, The Revolution Game was lots of fun. It’s pacy, quirky and lots of fun. The Doctor and Lucie have some great interaction. The whole story wouldn’t have gone amiss in that very first Lucie season and I can’t ask for more than that.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 17, 2019 9:39:09 GMT
Nicely written set featuring a character I never liked, but I have to say that for once I didn't mind Lucie. I did find it utterly ridiculous when the Daleks addressed her as "Lucie Bleeding Miller" - came across as a pointless gag to me. The man him self's view
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 14:19:23 GMT
Finished House at the edge of chaos. Well {Spoiler} from the description, I had expected that we would meet THE static instead of just A static
So I was a bit disappointed by that. And the society in the house was something that reminded me very much of what had been done in Chimes of Midnight.
While I did enjoy listening to this story, I just did not think that it did anything overly original. Or different.
Well, now on to the last story....
Yes i. Actually thought the same ❤️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 1:22:00 GMT
Dalek Trap I don't think this will really be anyone's fave, or live long in the memory but it does exactly what it needs to - completely re-establish Lucie after nearly a decade away. Very smart to sideline The Doctor here. Lucie needs the limelight more from the outset. I was a bit worried about Daleks - to me bookmarking her debut and exit with them and have her never meet them in the middle was a lovely symetery - but that works OK here too as they're as sidelined as The Doctor is. It's all about Lucie and the 2 others who are struggling with the effects. There's a nice dynamic between them all and Sheridan taps right back into the heart of Lucie right off. Also The Darkness are referenced. Who had money on The Darkness being given a shoutout in 2019?
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Post by elkawho on Jul 18, 2019 4:26:36 GMT
One of the things I like most about this release is that it's a return to the relatively carefree Eight from before Lucie Miller/To The Death. He's never the same after that. Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition, Ravenous, Time War, etc. What a welcome change this is. An Eighth Doctor who is having fun, singing, laughing and loving his time exploring space and time with his companion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 21:51:24 GMT
Like some others have said, I also thought The Dalek Trap was the weakest story in this set. In fact, The Dalek Trap doesn't really have much going for it apart from the fact we get to hear Lucie Miller in action once again. The Daleks saying 'Lucie Bleedin' Miller' gag was funny the first time round but the 'joke' lost traction after that and just came across as juvenile and unnecessary later on. For me the best Lucie Miller stories are the ones where we get that great interaction between her and the Doctor, so maybe the sidelining of the Doctor in this story contributed to The Dalek Trap coming across as a lacklustre story. Fortunately things picked up after The Dalek Trap and we got three very enjoyable Eighth Doctor & Lucie adventures, with The House on the Edge of Chaos being my favourite story. This was a good set overall and it was great to hear Lucie once again... more please!
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