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Post by mark687 on Nov 14, 2015 13:06:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 13:51:38 GMT
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Even though I have so many issues with the War Doctor concept, this sounds so good.
I am conflicted. It is Big Finish. I should not be.
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Post by aztec on Nov 14, 2015 14:42:10 GMT
Hurt's performance as the War Doctor (not to mention the concept of outcast warrior doctor itself) was possibly my favourite thing about the 50th Anniversary, so this was an instant pre-order for me, sounds very promising.
I can't wait to hear what Big Finish do with the horrors of the time war and such a interesting, different Doctor (and brilliant actor), that they will largely be building from the ground up. Hurt was apparently only cast a few days before DOTD started filming, but he seems very excited by the scripts for these audios, looking forward to finding out why and how he builds on the character with more preparation and input.
I hope many more follow these four boxsets...
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Post by Shiny on Nov 14, 2015 15:12:16 GMT
For me, it still hasn't sunk in that Big Finish have John Hurt playing the War Doctor in a Time War series. I guess it won't feel real until I start listening to the first episode.
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Post by agentten on Nov 14, 2015 15:45:55 GMT
I'm in the same boat. I'm still amazed and excited that both John Hurt and David Tennant have audios coming. I have never pre ordered anything faster in my life. Seeing the box shots like this is surreal.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 14, 2015 15:53:43 GMT
What is a "parochial war"? Looking up the word, leaves me with two definitions: - Narrow
- Of or relating to the Church
So... a religious war? Not that that really fits the definition or that just saying "religious war" wouldn't have been more obvious as well as perfectly easy. So...?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 14, 2015 18:35:44 GMT
Hmm, I guess this means the audios are set just before Engines of War (EoW leads into Day of the Doctor so it can't be just before Day and this sounds as though it's towards the end of the battle).
Either way, it sounds like a fantastic box set. Love that each story appears to have its own individual CD artwork.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 18:45:21 GMT
Even though I have so many issues with the War Doctor concept, this sounds so good. I don't have any issues with the concept... and this sounds great!
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Post by elgranto on Nov 14, 2015 20:14:51 GMT
Having an incarnation that's purely a 'warrior,' allows for more flexible storytelling IMO, which is why I like the idea of the War Doctor so much. McGann and/or Eccleston could only have carried it so far with their respective characters. With John Hurt we can go all the way. Definitely excited for this.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 14, 2015 20:35:09 GMT
Having an incarnation that's purely a 'warrior,' allows for more flexible storytelling IMO, which is why I like the idea of the War Doctor so much. McGann and/or Eccleston could only have carried it so far with their respective characters. With John Hurt we can go all the way. I think maybe having a Warrior Doctor allows more for the Time War to be what we might expect of it? A very serious Doctor having to make appropriately unthinkable decisions, and a threat grave enough to warrant them. It's really amazing to be looking at a pack shot of something that only several months ago, I had mentally filed under "Probably Never Going To Happen"... I'm still hugely excited that Big Finish is making this happen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 21:22:24 GMT
What is a "parochial war"? Looking up the word, leaves me with two definitions: - Narrow
- Of or relating to the Church
So... a religious war? Not that that really fits the definition or that just saying "religious war" wouldn't have been more obvious as well as perfectly easy. So...?
I think it's a way of saying we're not going to see full on time war, just an isolated skirmish.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 21:22:01 GMT
What is a "parochial war"? Looking up the word, leaves me with two definitions: - Narrow
- Of or relating to the Church
So... a religious war? Not that that really fits the definition or that just saying "religious war" wouldn't have been more obvious as well as perfectly easy. So...?
I think it's a way of saying we're not going to see full on time war, just an isolated skirmish.
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 14, 2015 21:55:58 GMT
It looks great, I'm really looking forward to this.
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Post by seeley on Nov 14, 2015 22:03:21 GMT
What is a "parochial war"? Looking up the word, leaves me with two definitions: - Narrow
- Of or relating to the Church
So... a religious war? Not that that really fits the definition or that just saying "religious war" wouldn't have been more obvious as well as perfectly easy. So...?
Since I doubt they mean a war on the parish level, methinks they mean a regional conflict. Though I suppose it could be a punny, oblique reference to the Church of the Mainframe.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 14, 2015 23:29:47 GMT
I think it's a way of saying we're not going to see full on time war, just an isolated skirmish. Doesn't fit the context, this describes a war apparently (but perhaps not actually) unrelated to the Time War, taking place on a planet, between the people that live there.
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Post by elgranto on Nov 15, 2015 1:02:29 GMT
Having an incarnation that's purely a 'warrior,' allows for more flexible storytelling IMO, which is why I like the idea of the War Doctor so much. McGann and/or Eccleston could only have carried it so far with their respective characters. With John Hurt we can go all the way. I think maybe having a Warrior Doctor allows more for the Time War to be what we might expect of it? A very serious Doctor having to make appropriately unthinkable decisions, and a threat grave enough to warrant them. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 7:16:14 GMT
I think it's a way of saying we're not going to see full on time war, just an isolated skirmish. Doesn't fit the context, this describes a war apparently (but perhaps not actually) unrelated to the Time War, taking place on a planet, between the people that live there. That's what I meant.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 15, 2015 9:54:45 GMT
Hmm, I guess this means the audios are set just before Engines of War (EoW leads into Day of the Doctor so it can't be just before Day and this sounds as though it's towards the end of the battle). Either way, it sounds like a fantastic box set. Love that each story appears to have its own individual CD artwork. Not necessarily, it says the Daleks are "massing" for their attack. Maybe War nukes the first fleet the mass and it'll take them years to amasse another.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 15, 2015 13:48:35 GMT
Hmm, I guess this means the audios are set just before Engines of War (EoW leads into Day of the Doctor so it can't be just before Day and this sounds as though it's towards the end of the battle). Either way, it sounds like a fantastic box set. Love that each story appears to have its own individual CD artwork. Not necessarily, it says the Daleks are "massing" for their attack. Maybe War nukes the first fleet the mass and it'll take them years to amasse another. There's certainly room for manoeuvre in the synopsis; the way it's worded just makes it sound like Gallifrey's final days.
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Post by aztec on Nov 15, 2015 14:31:38 GMT
Having an incarnation that's purely a 'warrior,' allows for more flexible storytelling IMO, which is why I like the idea of the War Doctor so much. McGann and/or Eccleston could only have carried it so far with their respective characters. With John Hurt we can go all the way. Definitely excited for this. Agreed on all points, I could never really picture McGann's Doctor fighting in a war of this scale voluntarily (and I think the small scale, but tragically heroic ending he got in NOTD seems a more fitting ending to his character arc, than the bittersweet but hopeful one War got in DOTD), and although RTD wrote 9 with the idea he had regenerated during or before the time war Eccleston works better as the post war traumatized doctor i.m.o (though I still dislike the idea of Rose veing his first story). Having a hidden outcast 'warrior' doctor fighting in the war allows for more flexibility in his actions and morals, and can take the character into much darker morally grey situations you couldn't really do with any of the other doctors, as Nine put it 'Coward every time' and as Four said 'Have I the right?'. The doctor no matter his other incarnations has never really been a warrior or fond of violence, if 8 or 9 had pushed the button, BF would presumably being trying their hardest to show the tragedy and 'doctorness' of his actions and prove had he had never completely fallen over the edge (another reason I like NOTD-right until death 8 maintains his morals, and is willing to lay down his life for a complete stranger, he'd only had on prior screen appearance 17 yrs before, so I'm glad his second showed him being the doctor we know and love) this is the one chance to show us what he becomes when he isn't exactly the doctor we know and love, and actively crosses the line into darkness and violence, yet still at his heart remains the same man...just how far might the doctor go if pushed? I think syphoning off most of the darkness and insanity of the conflict onto one outcast incarnation that actually crosses that line makes the War Doctor that much more tragic and interesting, he starts off as a bio-engineered warrior casting off his history, yet by the time we meet him in DOTD he's a burnt out, self loathing old man who wants to end it all and earn back the right to call himself the doctor again, it's an fascinating (and somewhat tragically ironic) duality, and flips around the generic 'good man becomes bad and seeks redemption' arc you normally see in genre fiction. With Hurt's Doctor already being older and grimmer, than most of his predecessors I think there's a chance for a very different outlook and gravitas than we have seen so far, and learning more about his history is sure to add wait to the tragic irony of his 'younger' successors casting off his name, when the War Doctor himself was still doing what he thought was right, without choice as any of them have done in other circumstances. And although Sir John Hurt has always struck me as a considerate, very lovely gentleman (in interviews, never had the intimidating pleasure of meeting him personally), I remain somewhat surprised (though certainly very, very grateful) that he agreed to reprise the role, he could have treated Doctor Who as a fun one-off gig that popped up out of the blue at a late point in his career, yet he seems to have relished the chance to come back, and in interviews certainly seems to appreciate and enjoy the legacy of Who that he has now joined. I understand why some have issues with the character or concerns about portraying the time war in any great depth (which I share to an extent), but personally I can't wait for the War Doctors return, the possibilities are fascinating and near limitless...
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