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Post by DavidHogan on Sept 17, 2018 12:47:48 GMT
Can't say I was a fan of this release, but then I'm not a big lover of Season 24, and this felt a lot closer to that (and not just the Paradise Towers references!) Episode 3 in particular suffered from the story stopping for 15 minutes while the new characters literally sat down and told their backstories, only being stopped by someone saying "So what you mean is -" and then giving a simplified version of what they just said. It was very lazy writing, and very out of character for a Big Finish release.
Still, it had its moments, and certainly had some good ideas, if nothing else.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 17, 2018 13:00:14 GMT
Can't say I was a fan of this release, but then I'm not a big lover of Season 24, and this felt a lot closer to that (and not just the Paradise Towers references!) Episode 3 in particular suffered from the story stopping for 15 minutes while the new characters literally sat down and told their backstories, only being stopped by someone saying "So what you mean is -" and then giving a simplified version of what they just said. It was very lazy writing, and very out of character for a Big Finish release. Still, it had its moments, and certainly had some good ideas, if nothing else. I'm glad you found some things to like about it. To each their own though, I guess - I really liked the focus on the new characters, I thought it was absolutely wonderful that in this story the supporting characters seemed less disposable and one-dimensional than they often seem to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:31:02 GMT
Can't say I was a fan of this release, but then I'm not a big lover of Season 24, and this felt a lot closer to that I am not a great fan of Season 24 either, but on audio these type of stories seem to work a whole lot better. I thought The Dispossessed was ok and it did have some good ideas, maybe it could have done with a bit of tightening up as there was some lazy bits in it (as you mentioned) but for me The Dispossessed was more entertaining than what the McCoy TV era gave us so I won't nitpick too much!
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Post by DavidHogan on Sept 17, 2018 17:42:43 GMT
Can't say I was a fan of this release, but then I'm not a big lover of Season 24, and this felt a lot closer to that I am not a great fan of Season 24 either, but on audio these type of stories seem to work a whole lot better. I thought The Dispossessed was ok and it did have some good ideas, maybe it could have done with a bit of tightening up as there was some lazy bits in it (as you mentioned) but for me The Dispossessed was more entertaining than what the McCoy TV era gave us so I won't nitpick too much! You won't hear me defending Season 24, but I do like most of 25 and 26, not to mention a good chunk of the McCoy audios, of course! But yeah, I would gladly put Dispossessed over the S24 stories, but looking at, say, The Fires of Vulcan, a Seventh Doctor/Mel story for WAY back that was technically set in Season 24, it told a really good story with only slight tweaks to The Doctor and Mel. This just jumped head first into the era (even though it isn't actually set there...) and embraced the insanity, which I'm sure is fine for fans of that time period, but it didn't ring true for me (let's not start the whole Ace acting young mysteriously debate either )
But anywho, this is just my opinion of course. I'm always happy to see a thread full of people liking something, even if I didn't necessarily myself.
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Post by fingersmash on Sept 20, 2018 14:34:55 GMT
I'm a little more than halfway through and the most I can say is it's nice and the score is quite good. I might actually end up listening to the music suite this time.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 23, 2018 16:58:47 GMT
I loved the first three episodes and thought the wrap-up episode was just kind of okay. I really liked having Mel & Ace together for a lot of the action.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 25, 2018 9:55:57 GMT
Subscriber Extended Extra DL is now in Accounts.
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Post by slithe on Sept 26, 2018 19:30:21 GMT
Just finished listening up to this. A rather mixed bag this one. On the one hand, I thought it was a step down from Red Planets (with the final episode being particularly poor). On the other, it wasn't a complete write-off and is certainly better than some of the 7th-Ace-Mel stuff we've had over the past couple of years.
The premise of this is an interesting one - an isolated group of survivors, a being that exists on the physical and meta-physical planes and the irony that a survival mechanism ends up becoming a prison. For an audio adventure, there is quite a lot of 'visual' elements here - the deserted, run-down tower block in the dead of night sealed off from the world is very striking and probably imagination makes this more spectacular than would have been the case with 1980s budgets and production values. The Arkallax's flat and domain are also well imagined and are quite striking.
The plot starts of reasonably well enough and Episodes I-III do enough to keep the listener entertained. However, there isn't really much 'new' here - we've heard this approach before with recent BF releases, such as the High Price of Parking and the Condemned (of which is a much better take on a living building). The story also harks back very much to Paradise Towers (Mel makes those parallels very clear and evident throughout in the early dialogue). After having a politically complex tale in Red Planets, with multiple stories running at once - this is far more pedestrian. Sadly, the characterisation is also very 2D - Arkallax ends up as the 'stereotypical baddie' and Episode IV doesn't make this any better (the insane laughing and booming voice play to the worst stereotypes in the genre); Isobel ends up very much a 'stereotypical northerner' as well, which undermines the characterisation.
The main cast are reasonably well served. Aldred gets to play Ace as a 'typical' 1980s teenager, which is refreshing. Langford does a good effort and the relationship between her and Aldred is much better in this trilogy than before. McCoy varies here - his quiet almost mischievous portrayal in the first half is rather undone by the 'manic' approach he takes at the end. The fourth episode is particularly plagued by this, which is a real disappointment.
The elements are there for a good story - it is imaginative, but sadly it is never really driven. The ending is too much a deus ex machina approach and is resolved far too quickly (and without explanation). Whilst I applaud the team for making it clear that this is part of a trilogy and segueing into the next story, this is a rather forgettable released that is nowhere near as good as it is predecessor. I really hope that this isn't the start of a poor run for McCoy - there's still 3 releases to go!
A step back somewhat for the MR. Pity, this is probably the first underwhelming release since The Silurian Candidate.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 26, 2018 21:03:16 GMT
McCoy varies here - his quiet almost mischievous portrayal in the first half is rather undone by the 'manic' approach he takes at the end. The fourth episode is particularly plagued by this, which is a real disappointment. You have pretty much summed up every complaint I have about McCoy. He has these moments where he just nails it. Keeps it simple or does just enough shading to keep the listener off balance and the next moment that all gets thrown out the window. To me, and this is of course personal preference, he is the most frustrating Doctor to listen to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 21:11:28 GMT
McCoy varies here - his quiet almost mischievous portrayal in the first half is rather undone by the 'manic' approach he takes at the end. The fourth episode is particularly plagued by this, which is a real disappointment. You have pretty much summed up every complaint I have about McCoy. He has these moments where he just nails it. Keeps it simple or does just enough shading to keep the listener off balance and the next moment that all gets thrown out the window. To me, and this is of course personal preference, he is the most frustrating Doctor to listen to. It's something he's had since 1987 as the character for me. He nails it..then the next line blows it. Very erratic, struggles to do anything angry with volume and can be mercurial or terrible in any given moment. He's the only actor to play the part who makes me cringe sometimes and I really don't like saying that. In spite of that, he's far from my least favourite Doctor as when he nails it, I prefer him to Pertwee for one. On audio some of McCoys weaknesses are clearer, sadly.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 26, 2018 21:24:59 GMT
You have pretty much summed up every complaint I have about McCoy. He has these moments where he just nails it. Keeps it simple or does just enough shading to keep the listener off balance and the next moment that all gets thrown out the window. To me, and this is of course personal preference, he is the most frustrating Doctor to listen to. It's something he's had since 1987 as the character for me. He nails it..then the next line blows it. Very erratic, struggles to do anything angry with volume and can be mercurial or terrible in any given moment. He's the only actor to play the part who makes me cringe sometimes and I really don't like saying that. In spite of that, he's far from my least favourite Doctor as when he nails it, I prefer him to Pertwee for one. On audio some of McCoys weaknesses are clearer, sadly. I am in exactly the same boat. In regard to both McCoy & Pertwee.
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Post by constonks on Oct 12, 2018 23:49:07 GMT
You have pretty much summed up every complaint I have about McCoy. He has these moments where he just nails it. Keeps it simple or does just enough shading to keep the listener off balance and the next moment that all gets thrown out the window. To me, and this is of course personal preference, he is the most frustrating Doctor to listen to. (...) He's the only actor to play the part who makes me cringe sometimes and I really don't like saying that. (...) I'll say those moments don't make me cringe, but they do take me out of it a bit cause I find myself picturing Sylv in the booth and thinking "oh, he's having fun again, isn't he?"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 9:01:44 GMT
(...) He's the only actor to play the part who makes me cringe sometimes and I really don't like saying that. (...) I'll say those moments don't make me cringe, but they do take me out of it a bit cause I find myself picturing Sylv in the booth and thinking "oh, he's having fun again, isn't he?" I know Colin reads the scripts first but honestly a lot of the time with Sylv it feels like he's mis-read the tone of a line and seems angry for no reason, or was angry but now seems fine etc. Readthroughs aren't possible with BF's budget or schedules but I think he's the one Doctor who could use one, his style is so offbeat it does cause issues. But yet when he's great - he's great! An enigma.
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Post by vivdunstan on Oct 13, 2018 23:13:01 GMT
I'd like to rate this higher. The premise is fine, and the split teams of (1) Ace/Mel and (2) the Doctor and others are nicely used.
But there seems so much padding, and so many visual things that are not communicated effectively enough for me on audio. I also found Sylvester's performance really variable in this. And the last episode is awful.
But I preferred the simpler storytelling to the approach of the previous month. I just wish other things about it had been better.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Oct 21, 2018 11:50:09 GMT
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Post by Ela on Oct 25, 2018 14:21:52 GMT
I thought it was an interesting story and an interesting premise. I do enjoy have Ace and Mel together, as well. So overall I enjoyed it.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 2, 2018 15:42:44 GMT
Listened to this and enjoyed. Agree with the comments above that the payoff in episode 4 is a tad disappointing after the build-up in episodes 1-3, but an overall satisfying listen.
Occurred to me while listening how this current run of 7th Dr Main range since 2016 are really New Adventures in all but name. In most cases you cuold replace Mel with Benny and the script would not have to be a whole lot different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 15:44:52 GMT
Half way through, I really like this
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