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Post by mark687 on Sept 20, 2018 15:41:40 GMT
Not shocking. We all knew she'd get a go I think. This is a hard call for me. Have to very frank here. In my opinion, Michelle Gomez was overqualified to play the part as written. She made it seem there was more interesting things at play with the Master than there actually were. Save for the brief (very brief) stint Sir Derek Jacobi partook in, I am not at all a fan of the New Who Master in either show-runner's tenure. I know this may not jive with everyone else, but I didn't like the Joker-ization of the Master: anarchist who does whenever whatever for no apparent reason and has no motivation other than pestering the Batman.. On the other hand, we're talking about Big Finish and Michelle Gomez together. Whenever Big Finish secure an performer like her, and you take into account their vested interest in the characters that enter their canon, it's like watching the Mega Powers collide. Can I really doubt that Big Finish aren't going to take full advantage when I know that the War Master set was more than just a set of excellent stories, it was test, and probably a bigger step than we might give it credit for right now. In a few years time we might find that the door was swung wide open and a whole new avenue for Who stories await, tackling subject matter that might otherwise not finds it way to our ears. Completely agree Series 8 &9 the Character as written is awful. Michelle Gomez does the best she can with it, and I'd even go so far as to say her appearance in Series 9 was a waste of time.
However in Series 10, though I couldn't think what could make the character think "its time I let the Doctor try to teach me his way of doing things [which I hope is an objective of this Boxset], Gomez pulls off the inner conflict very well, so that when the inevitable happens its a genuinely tragic loss of what might've been.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 20, 2018 15:57:01 GMT
I didn't like the Joker-ization of the Master: anarchist who does whenever whatever for no apparent reason and has no motivation other than pestering the Batman.. I never quite thought of it in those terms before, but you make a very valid point, although it applies more to Simm than Gomez
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Post by fingersmash on Sept 20, 2018 16:09:44 GMT
I didn't like the Joker-ization of the Master: anarchist who does whenever whatever for no apparent reason and has no motivation other than pestering the Batman.. I never quite thought of it in those terms before, but you make a very valid point, although it applies more to Simm than Gomez It absolutely is more Simm than Gomez. Gomez is a lot about wanting to have 'fun' and if the Doctor gets involved so be it.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 20, 2018 17:12:57 GMT
I agree with the above posters- I really dislike the "Joker" Simm Master. And at first, I hated Missy in Season 8. I thought that was terrible, but to be honest, those final two episodes of season 8 were a bit of a mixed bag to say it diplomatically (the droppings of male cattle might come close). But in the end, in season 10, I finally started to first accept and then actually like her character. I thought she was brilliant in season 10.
And yes, I also agree that this opening up the range for Master stories is a great and welcome opportunity for Big Finish. I am all for it...
Although I admit that I am also cautious about getting more of the War Master releases. The first one was absolutely brilliant, but since I am of a sensitive nature, it made me feel really uncomfortable. And that is a compliment to the writing. The problem was not that it was not good, but it was so good it affected me mentally. Nothing I want to repeat when I am stressed.
So yes, the Missy set was an instant buy from me, but I hope it is a bit more light hearted than the War Master stories. If they keep with the tone of the TV series and with the Missy Chronicles book (which is, to my surprise, awesome), I should be fine. I am just a bit afraid it might get equally as dark and menacing as the War Master... but I hope at least most parts stay a little bit above that.
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Post by mrperson on Sept 20, 2018 20:49:28 GMT
Great news. Rufus Hound looks like Henry VIII on the cover, I guess his episode is Divorced, Beheaded, Regenerated that was mentioned on the obscure news thread a while back Not sure how I feel about post-Time War Missy meeting the pre-Time War Monk, assuming that it is a pre Time War Monk. If post-Time War Time Lords can meet pre-Time War Time Lords so easily then it makes a nonsense of the whole "lonely Doctor / last of the time lords" thing from Ecclestone/Tenant/Smith eras. Then again, maybe the Monk will be revealed to have survived the Time War? I don't recall any reason why they cannot meet, so long as the meeting doesn't change history.
The Doctor and the Master were both in the Time War, but that doesn't mean that they aren't back there on Earth for The Claws of Axos at an earlier point in their timelines, etc. It never made sense to me why 9-11 couldn't meet a pre-TW incarnation of some other Timelord (ie "last of the time lords").
Granted, it might not be a good idea. But that's different from they don't exist at any point in the universe. Or are we to suppose that the Time War rewrote the timelines of all timelords other than the Doctor and the Master, such that all the others never left Gallifrey and therefore could not have been encountered by a later Doctor?
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Post by mrperson on Sept 20, 2018 20:50:11 GMT
Nah this ain't for me, I've never liked Gomez interpretation of the character to pantomime so that's £23 Lizzie Windsors I've saved not pre-ordering this. I'm going to wait for the reviews. BF has a knack for redeeming characters I found obnoxious.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 21:23:45 GMT
I didn't like the Joker-ization of the Master: anarchist who does whenever whatever for no apparent reason and has no motivation other than pestering the Batman.. I never quite thought of it in those terms before, but you make a very valid point, although it applies more to Simm than Gomez I'm not sure if it was written in or Gomez threw it in on her own (more likely the latter), but I've always had a very strong impression that her character's zaniness was just an act to put people off-guard. When she's chatting with the Doctor or someone like Osgood who's guessed she's not as impulsively mad as she seems, her whole manner changes to something a lot more controlled and relaxed. The Ainley eye-bulging mask comes off and we get smooth Delgadoesque charm all the way through.
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Post by velvetrevolv3r6 on Sept 24, 2018 13:29:49 GMT
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Post by xlozdob on Sept 24, 2018 14:13:34 GMT
Sounds mischievously delicious!
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 24, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
I don’t think I’d be able to tell that’s Michelle Gomez as Missy it I hadn’t been told. Still, looking forward to the set nonetheless.
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Post by ollychops on Sept 24, 2018 16:10:57 GMT
Yeah, she does sound a little off. I do think the first part of the trailer (before the Nick Briggs, "Big Finish presents..." bit) is her as what I can assume is her evil Mary Poppins persona so she could be putting on an accent for that, because there are a couple of lines later on where she sounds a little more spot on.
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Post by masterdoctor on Sept 24, 2018 16:27:48 GMT
I definitely heard Missy from that trailer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 17:35:03 GMT
I imagine thats her nanny voice as shes semmingly looking after kids. But yeah it sounds rather fun, with this and 10DAs 3 it is seemingly gunna be a great year
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 24, 2018 17:51:42 GMT
I imagine thats her nanny voice as shes semmingly looking after kids. But yeah it sounds rather fun, with this and 10DAs 3 it is seemingly gunna be a great year Due to Per Order charge I want until I can bundle up single box set releases, so as soon as 10th Doctor Adventures v.3 is announced, I’ll be ordering this.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 24, 2018 17:55:39 GMT
Sounds mischievously delicious! The artist formally known as Master got a chuckle. I love that BF is embracing the Mary Poppins aspect of her persona.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 24, 2018 19:58:33 GMT
I think they’re going off the fact that in Deep Breath, she claims that she might keep the Doctor’s Scottish accent, so that suggests that she didn’t have a Scottish accent until she adopted it in Deep Breath.
I’d rather they’d have just used her normal accent though, because the weird RP English one just isn’t doing anything for me. It doesn’t sound like Missy to me.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 24, 2018 20:08:54 GMT
I think they’re going off the fact that in Deep Breath, she claims that she might keep the Doctor’s Scottish accent, so that suggests that she didn’t have a Scottish accent until she adopted it in Deep Breath. I’d rather they’d have just used her normal accent though, because the weird RP English one just isn’t doing anything for me. It doesn’t sound like Missy to me. I agree with other posts on here that the different accent most likely was to emphasize the Mary Poppins vibe... maybe she starts out harmless... and then shows off her real face (and accent).
Hmm. Didn't we have something similar happen with the War Master (both on screen and with Big Finish)?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 24, 2018 20:48:34 GMT
I think they’re going off the fact that in Deep Breath, she claims that she might keep the Doctor’s Scottish accent, so that suggests that she didn’t have a Scottish accent until she adopted it in Deep Breath. I’d rather they’d have just used her normal accent though, because the weird RP English one just isn’t doing anything for me. It doesn’t sound like Missy to me. I agree with other posts on here that the different accent most likely was to emphasize the Mary Poppins vibe... maybe she starts out harmless... and then shows off her real face (and accent).
Hmm. Didn't we have something similar happen with the War Master (both on screen and with Big Finish)?
She sounded English in the River Song Trailer too, which is why I’m not so sure that it’s just her channelling her Mary Poppins persona.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 24, 2018 20:50:34 GMT
She sounded English in the River Song Trailer too, which is why I’m not so sure that it’s just her channelling her Mary Poppins persona. Hmm.. had not really noticed. I guess we will have to see...
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 24, 2018 22:19:51 GMT
I think it’s the lack of Scottish accent that was sounding strange to me, yeah. I can buy into it for a Mary Poppins-esque episode, but it does seem to run throughout the whole trailer. Unless it’s just heavily drawn from that particular episode? I’m not sure.
The pre-Deep Breath suggestion is also valid, but I think that’s just bizarre, especially for the first set. I think you’d want to start with the Missy we all know and love, in which there’s plenty of scope, before you’d even entertain going into her past before we knew this particular incarnation.
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