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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 16, 2015 10:29:32 GMT
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Post by agentspark on Nov 20, 2015 1:10:12 GMT
I love timelines & I've never seen a dalek one before! Very well done!
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Post by Digi on Nov 20, 2015 1:17:11 GMT
With "Engines of War" ending literally right before "The Day of the Doctor", shouldn't it be placed after the upcoming BF War Doctor series? And one omission (unless I'm just blind!) -- the pre-DOTD minisode "The Last Day" should be around about the same spot, I would think. Otherwise, a lovely read. Naturally I think there's a bit of wiggle room, given that time travel is involved at several stages, but broadly speaking I think this is a pretty accurate and well-reasoned chronology
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 20, 2015 8:22:38 GMT
With "Engines of War" ending literally right before "The Day of the Doctor", shouldn't it be placed after the upcoming BF War Doctor series? And one omission (unless I'm just blind!) -- the pre-DOTD minisode "The Last Day" should be around about the same spot, I would think. Otherwise, a lovely read. Naturally I think there's a bit of wiggle room, given that time travel is involved at several stages, but broadly speaking I think this is a pretty accurate and well-reasoned chronology Thanks Digi. I've not read/heard 'Engines of War' yet, so I didn't know it takes place literally before 'Day of the Doctor'. I've re-placed it after the upcoming BF War Doctor series as you suggest. I've also done the same for 'The War Doctor's Timeline' on 'Bradley's Basement' and 'The Divergent Universe' forum. No, you're not blind. I forget to put 'The Last Day' into the timeline. Thanks for mentioning this. I've added it to the timeline now. This timeline has been very tricky to make. I'm glad I revisited it for a second time since it wasn't that good first time and I'm improved it with Dalek events rather than encounters with the Doctor. I've done the best I can with sectioning out the Daleks' timeline properly. Very glad you enjoyed this. Thanks. Tim.
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Post by ollychops on Dec 5, 2015 15:50:32 GMT
Wow, this is such a good timeline! Two things, though: IIRC, a Dalek makes an appearance in 'Good Night, Sweet Ladies' (The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield Vol. 1), and then they also show up in three Gallifrey stories, which I'd place right before The Eighth Doctor: The Time War, given that they're New Series Daleks, and Narvin is the one who effectively starts the Time War.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 11:16:56 GMT
Well done! It's wonderfully coherent despite the Daleks' best intentions. They also make an appearance in The Dalek Chronicles comics featuring an alternate origin story where the Daleks' Emperor duels a drone named Zeg with aspirations beyond his station, battle radioactive rust dissolving their casings, gear up for war with the Mechanoids, incinerate their own version of Godzilla lurking in the Lake of Mutations, eviscerate psychotic plants exerting mind control over their own forces and witness other terrors that could only have ever come from the sixties.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 7, 2015 14:47:35 GMT
Wow, this is such a good timeline! Two things, though: IIRC, a Dalek makes an appearance in 'Good Night, Sweet Ladies' (The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield Vol. 1), and then they also show up in three Gallifrey stories, which I'd place right before The Eighth Doctor: The Time War, given that they're New Series Daleks, and Narvin is the one who effectively starts the Time War. Thanks fitzsimmons. Well done for spotting this. I can't believe I missed these stories out. I'm not into the 'Gallifrey' spin-off series, so it completely slipped my mind. I've added these stories to the Daleks' timeline. Thanks for this. Tim.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 7, 2015 14:51:07 GMT
Well done! It's wonderfully coherent despite the Daleks' best intentions. They also make an appearance in The Dalek Chronicles comics featuring an alternate origin story where the Daleks' Emperor duels a drone named Zeg with aspirations beyond his station, battle radioactive rust dissolving their casings, gear up for war with the Mechanoids, incinerate their own version of Godzilla lurking in the Lake of Mutations, eviscerate psychotic plants exerting mind control over their own forces and witness other terrors that could only have ever come from the sixties. Thanks wolfie. I really appreciate this. I know there is this alternative origin story with the Daleks featured in 'The Dalek Chronicles'. I'm not sure how that story and all the other stories from 'The Dalek Chronicles' fits into the current Daleks' timeline or whether it fits at all. It clashes with the established origins story with the Daleks in 'Genesis of the Daleks' where Davros is the creator. I'm suspecting this is like the spin-off Dalek movies with Peter Cushing as Dr. Who. But that's not to say I dismiss these Dalek Chronicles comics. On the contrary, I would like to read these comics and see them in their own graphic novels someday if they're available. If you have any more info about where 'The Dalek Chronicles' fits in to the Daleks' timeline, that would be handy. Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 3:35:03 GMT
Well done! It's wonderfully coherent despite the Daleks' best intentions. They also make an appearance in The Dalek Chronicles comics featuring an alternate origin story where the Daleks' Emperor duels a drone named Zeg with aspirations beyond his station, battle radioactive rust dissolving their casings, gear up for war with the Mechanoids, incinerate their own version of Godzilla lurking in the Lake of Mutations, eviscerate psychotic plants exerting mind control over their own forces and witness other terrors that could only have ever come from the sixties. Thanks wolfie. I really appreciate this. I know there is this alternative origin story with the Daleks featured in 'The Dalek Chronicles'. I'm not sure how that story and all the other stories from 'The Dalek Chronicles' fits into the current Daleks' timeline or whether it fits at all. It clashes with the established origins story with the Daleks in 'Genesis of the Daleks' where Davros is the creator. I'm suspecting this is like the spin-off Dalek movies with Peter Cushing as Dr. Who. But that's not to say I dismiss these Dalek Chronicles comics. On the contrary, I would like to read these comics and see them in their own graphic novels someday if they're available. If you have any more info about where 'The Dalek Chronicles' fits in to the Daleks' timeline, that would be handy. Tim. Happy to help, they really are quite fun little stories. The Dalek Chronicles as a whole consist of sixteen comic strips including: - Genesis of Evil
- Power Play
- Duel of the Daleks
- The Amaryll Challenge
- The Penta Ray Factor
- Plague of Death
- The Menace of the Monstrons
- Eve of War
- The Archives of Phryne
- The Rogue Planet
- Impasse
- The Terrokon Harvest
- Legacy of Yesteryear
- Shadow of Humanity
- The Emissaries of Jevo
- The Road to Conflict
Discarding Genesis of Evil for a moment due to its origin story clashing with what we've already seen of Dalek culture (it's possible that it's a revisionist propaganda piece created by the Daleks to discredit Davros by rendering the Kaleds as nonpersons in their new history), Power Play features possibly the first time the Daleks encounter beings from beyond Skaro's solar system, copying their space age technology as a means of manufacturing their own warships and begin their conquest of the universe. As such, this story probably takes place very early on as the new Dalek city has been completed and the Emperor's reign is still in its infancy. This leads to the titular Duel of the Daleks where his role is challenged by the augmented Zeg and it is the latter's technology that allows the Daleks to complete their prototype spacecraft in time for The Armaryll Challenge.
The next three stories are tied closely together in terms of continuity, similar to the old Hartnell stories dovetailing into one another during their ending tag scene. The Penta Ray Factor tells of a scryer who forsees his civilisation falling to the might of the Daleks, but the ruling king will pay him no heed. The Plague of Death tells of a hideous accident that produces a radioactive rust cloud which threatens the security and safety of every Dalek on the planet Skaro. And weakened by their experiences with the cloud, the tinpot terrors are invaded by the Monstrons who launch an attack on the weakened city.
Eve of War to Impasse immediately follows The Menace of the Monstrons and tells of a new chapter in Dalek history as they lead up to the Dalek-Mechanoid War, which due to the intervention of a third power results in deadlock for the time being. Everything from there on in can be considered fair game in terms of placements with the exception of Shadow of Humanity where three humanoid Daleks are revived from cryogenic suspension; although you could retcon those three away as Kaleds that survived the destruction of the city. The Daleks receive the first inklings of a little planet called Earth in this story, which leads them to eventually discover (or perhaps rediscover) its location in The Road to Conflict where at the conclusion of the story, the Daleks are preparing to invade. Given the Doctor's arrival in The Daleks putting paid to all operations in the city (leading quite possibly to their revival in The Curse of the Daleks), it's quite probable that all of these stories take place immediately before The Dalek Invasion of Earth. The main invasion force charges off to conquer the planet Earth and install the GodEngine while a skeleton force remains behind in the city to keep things ticking over until they return.
However, given that the Dalek city is decimated and quickly rebuilt at the end of the Monstron confrontation, The Road to Conflict may actually be a prelude to The Destroyers and The Daleks' Master Plan in the fourth millennium. In fact, the death of the Black Dalek there there may mark the end of the Emperor's second in command which we've been following throughout the comics. The appearance of the Red Dalek accompanying him in the novelisation makes this more than likely. So, on top of two companion deaths, it's possible we get to bear witness to the death of one of the earliest Daleks in existence in that story.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 9, 2015 10:55:46 GMT
Thanks wolfie. I really appreciate this. I know there is this alternative origin story with the Daleks featured in 'The Dalek Chronicles'. I'm not sure how that story and all the other stories from 'The Dalek Chronicles' fits into the current Daleks' timeline or whether it fits at all. It clashes with the established origins story with the Daleks in 'Genesis of the Daleks' where Davros is the creator. I'm suspecting this is like the spin-off Dalek movies with Peter Cushing as Dr. Who. But that's not to say I dismiss these Dalek Chronicles comics. On the contrary, I would like to read these comics and see them in their own graphic novels someday if they're available. If you have any more info about where 'The Dalek Chronicles' fits in to the Daleks' timeline, that would be handy. Tim. Happy to help, they really are quite fun little stories. The Dalek Chronicles as a whole consist of sixteen comic strips including: - Genesis of Evil
- Power Play
- Duel of the Daleks
- The Amaryll Challenge
- The Penta Ray Factor
- Plague of Death
- The Menace of the Monstrons
- Eve of War
- The Archives of Phryne
- The Rogue Planet
- Impasse
- The Terrokon Harvest
- Legacy of Yesteryear
- Shadow of Humanity
- The Emissaries of Jevo
- The Road to Conflict
Discarding Genesis of Evil for a moment due to its origin story clashing with what we've already seen of Dalek culture (it's possible that it's a revisionist propaganda piece created by the Daleks to discredit Davros by rendering the Kaleds as nonpersons in their new history), Power Play features possibly the first time the Daleks encounter beings from beyond Skaro's solar system, copying their space age technology as a means of manufacturing their own warships and begin their conquest of the universe. As such, this story probably takes place very early on as the new Dalek city has been completed and the Emperor's reign is still in its infancy. This leads to the titular Duel of the Daleks where his role is challenged by the augmented Zeg and it is the latter's technology that allows the Daleks to complete their prototype spacecraft in time for The Armaryll Challenge.
The next three stories are tied closely together in terms of continuity, similar to the old Hartnell stories dovetailing into one another during their ending tag scene. The Penta Ray Factor tells of a scryer who forsees his civilisation falling to the might of the Daleks, but the ruling king will pay him no heed. The Plague of Death tells of a hideous accident that produces a radioactive rust cloud which threatens the security and safety of every Dalek on the planet Skaro. And weakened by their experiences with the cloud, the tinpot terrors are invaded by the Monstrons who launch an attack on the weakened city.
Eve of War to Impasse immediately follows The Menace of the Monstrons and tells of a new chapter in Dalek history as they lead up to the Dalek-Mechanoid War, which due to the intervention of a third power results in deadlock for the time being. Everything from there on in can be considered fair game in terms of placements with the exception of Shadow of Humanity where three humanoid Daleks are revived from cryogenic suspension; although you could retcon those three away as Kaleds that survived the destruction of the city. The Daleks receive the first inklings of a little planet called Earth in this story, which leads them to eventually discover (or perhaps rediscover) its location in The Road to Conflict where at the conclusion of the story, the Daleks are preparing to invade. Given the Doctor's arrival in The Daleks putting paid to all operations in the city (leading quite possibly to their revival in The Curse of the Daleks), it's quite probable that all of these stories take place immediately before The Dalek Invasion of Earth. The main invasion force charges off to conquer the planet Earth and install the GodEngine while a skeleton force remains behind in the city to keep things ticking over until they return.
However, given that the Dalek city is decimated and quickly rebuilt at the end of the Monstron confrontation, The Road to Conflict may actually be a prelude to The Destroyers and The Daleks' Master Plan in the fourth millennium. In fact, the death of the Black Dalek there there may mark the end of the Emperor's second in command which we've been following throughout the comics. The appearance of the Red Dalek accompanying him in the novelisation makes this more than likely. So, on top of two companion deaths, it's possible we get to bear witness to the death of one of the earliest Daleks in existence in that story.
Many thanks for this wolfie. You certainly know your Dalek comics. I've added the titles of 'The Dalek Chronicles' to the Daleks' timeline. They're in 'The Beginning on Skaro' section for now. Thanks again. Tim.
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Post by constonks on Apr 12, 2016 23:20:05 GMT
The Dalek Chronicles could have the origin of the Daleks in one of those alternate timelines that our loveable salt shaker friends have weaponised in the past - both in their occupation of The Axis and their creation of the Skaro Degradations.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 21, 2016 8:47:50 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now updated the Daleks' timeline thread by having it as a page view instead of a PDF view for users to see. Enjoy! Tim.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 22, 2016 15:30:26 GMT
I think that The Davros Mission leads into the trial/wraparound scenes from I, Davros
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 23, 2016 10:09:19 GMT
I think that The Davros Mission leads into the trial/wraparound scenes from I, Davros Okay then. I'll move 'The Davros Mission' before 'I, Davros'. Thanks James. Tim.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 25, 2016 11:10:16 GMT
No worries Tim
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Post by sherlock on Jan 17, 2018 1:32:19 GMT
As I'm in the midst of listening to Dalek Empire I'd have a go at establishing some chronology for the Daleks akin to what I did for the Cybermen, many spoilers probably ahead:
Beginnings on Skaro: At the end of Skaro's Thousand Year War the Daleks are born Genesis of the Daleks The Daleks The Lights of Skaro
The First Dalek Empire: The Daleks' first interplanetary empire, which sees its height with the decade-long occupation of Earth The Dalek Chronicles Comics GodEngine The Mutant Phase Masters of Earth The Dalek Invasion of Earth Legacy of the Daleks Lucie Miller/To the Death The Curse of the Daleks Across the Darkened City The Evil of the Daleks Bringer of Darkness Children of the Revolution Fear of the Daleks The Dalek Book The Dalek World The Dalek Annuals
Dalek War of the 26th Century: The Daleks wage war with the Earth and Draconian Empires Frontier in Space Planet of the Daleks The Conquest of Far Abslom Daak...Dalek Killer! Star Tigers Nemesis of the Daleks Enemy of the Daleks Prisoner of the Daleks
Post-Dalek War Era: After losing the War the Daleks are weakened militarily, resulting in them utilising time travel and alliances in schemes more Death to the Daleks Energy of the Daleks Death and the Daleks Good Night, Sweet Ladies The Dalek Contract/The Final Phase The Ultimate Adventure We are the Daleks The Four Doctors
The New Dalek Empire: The Daleks scheme to return to galactic power culminating in the Second Great Dalek Occupation The Space Museum (cameo) The Chase The Destroyers The Dalek Outer Space Book Mission to the Unknown The Daleks' Master Plan The Eighth Wonder of the World The Genocide Machine The Apocalypse Element The Time of the Daleks Seasons of Fear (cameo) Invasion of the Daleks The Human Factor Natalie's Diary Alby Private Investigations The Best Joke I Ever Told Hide and Seek Return of the Daleks The Fearless "Death to the Daleks!" Project Infinity Dalek War
Post-Occupation: Devastated by the outcome of Occupation, the Daleks are reduced to a very weak state, eventually becoming locked in a conflict with the Movellans Museum Peace Plague of the Daleks Order of the Daleks Destiny of the Daleks Alien Heart/Dalek Soul Resurrection of the Daleks
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Post by sherlock on Jan 17, 2018 1:43:21 GMT
PART 2: Dalek Civil War: Having lost the Movellan War due to the virus, the Daleks are split into two factions due to Davros' attempts to assert his control Revelation of the Daleks The Davros Mission Innocence (cameo) Purity (cameo) Guilt (cameo) Emperor of the Daleks! The Juggernauts The Curse of Davros Blood of the Daleks Remembrance of the Daleks
Civil War Aftermath: Divisions are settled following the (possible) destruction of Skaro Daleks Among Us The Next Life (cameo) Terror Firma War of the Daleks Brotherhood of the Daleks Fire and Brimstone
Later Empire: The Daleks seek to rebuild their galactic powerbase, beginning by undermining the Galactic Union and by advancing temporal technology The Exterminators The Healers The Survivors The Warriors The Demons The Future Mutually Assured Survival Patient Zero Dark Eyes 2 Dark Eyes 4
The Last Great Time War: At the height of their military and temporal capabilities the Daleks go to war with the Time Lords Arbitration (cameo) Extermination Ascension Mission to Galacton Birth of a Legend The Time War 1 Only the Monstrous Infernal Devices Agents of Chaos Casualties of War Only the Good Engines of War The Last Day The Day of the Doctor
Survivors: A few scattered survive of the Time War persist Dalek Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways Army of Ghosts/Doomsday Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks The Stolen Earth/Journey's End Carnage Zoo/Flight and Fury/The Living Ghosts/Extermination of the Daleks
The New Dalek Paradigm: Utilising a progenitor to begin their race anew, the Daleks begin again The Beast Below (cameo) Victory of the Daleks City of the Daleks Return to Earth Evacuation Earth The Only Good Dalek The Mazes of Time Living History The Wedding of River Song (cameo) The Dalek Project The Dalek Generation Asylum of the Daleks The Time of the Doctor Into the Dalek The Doctor and the Dalek The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar Twice Upon a Time
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Post by sherlock on Jan 17, 2018 1:45:52 GMT
PART 3: Unplaced (no idea where to place these Daleks) The Power of the Daleks
Glorious Goodwood
The Elite
The Five Doctors The Five Companions
The TV Movie (cameo)
The Pilot
Erased Timelines (there's a lot of these): Day of the Daleks
The Mutant Phase
Renaissance of the Daleks
Jubilee
Dark Eyes
The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
The Eternity Clock
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 17, 2018 2:02:55 GMT
Tim & Sherlock, you guys who make the effort to sort everything out and place it in some kind of order have my utmost respect. I'd spend an hour at it and throw it all down because it would literally make my head spin. And that is no fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 3:39:47 GMT
I love the little bit of cause and effect between Dalek Empire and Destiny of the Daleks. It's always taken as rote that something happened post-Genesis to lock the Daleks in their war with the Movellans and Empire certainly feels strong enough to have caused it. I wonder if the Great Catastrophe never happened in the pre-interference timeline?
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